The COVID-2019 Thread

[pseudolus]

because the teacher had tested positive.

was that with the PCR test which is "Not to be used for diagnostic tests" out of interest? A process where they multiply 46 times to the point where even a goat will test positive?

[Chittychangchang]

was that with the PCR test which is "Not to be used for diagnostic tests" out of interest? A process where they multiply 46 times to the point where even a goat will test positive?

No idea, just know a whole class got sent home.

[pseudolus]

No idea, just know a whole class got sent home.

Nodding donkey style of obedience then 555

[Chittychangchang]

Nodding donkey style of obedience then 555

Not really, got no choice in the matter.

[pseudolus]

Not really, got no choice in the matter.

The Science of ‘I Was Just Following Orders’ - WSJ

[Chittychangchang]

All very interesting Sid.

If your child was sent home and told to self isolate would you go to the school and question the validity of the test and demand they be taught.

Parents aren't even allowed in the school, so i'd probably get carted off in a police van and arrested for breach of the peace or assault

[Chittychangchang]

They can still do that.

The only thing missing is a bit of sunshine.

I'm sure the people will embrace walking around in blizzards and freezing rain.

[baldrick]

was that with the PCR test which is "Not to be used for diagnostic tests" out of interest? A process where they multiply 46 times to the point where even a goat will test positive?

it really does not sound like you know what you are talking about

[kmart]

^The inventor of the test said it himself:

So to start, it is very remarkable that Kary Mullis himself, the inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) technology, did not think alike. His invention got him the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993.
Unfortunately, Mullis passed away last year at the age of 74, but there is no doubt that the biochemist regarded the PCR as inappropriate to detect a viral infection.
The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique, being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses.

COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless – Bulgarian Pathology Association

[OhOh]

MIT peer reviews refute lab origin of coronavirus

By MAY ZHOU in Houston | CHINA DAILY | Updated: 2020-10

"Four peer reviews published by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology refute a study that asserts the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic was created by intentional genetic manipulation in China.

All four published peer reviews found that the study has "serious flaws and errors in the methods and data" that render its conclusions "misinformative".

The study, released on Sept 14, implicates numerous research groups in contributing to the pandemic and calls for "an independent investigation into the relevant research laboratories".

The study, released on Sept 14, implicates numerous research groups in contributing to the pandemic and calls for "an independent investigation into the relevant research laboratories".

The research was conducted by Li-Meng Yan, who claims to be a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, as well as Shu Kang, Jie Guan and Shanchang Hu.

Shortly after the study was released, Rapid Reviews: COVID-19, a journal that seeks to accelerate peer review of COVID-19-related research preprints under the MIT Press, one of the largest and most distinguished university presses and a leading publisher, published four peer reviews of the study.

The journal sought peer reviews from world-renowned experts in virology, molecular biology, structural biology, computational biology, vaccine development and medicine.

An editorial statement in the journal said that reviewers have collectively debunked three claims in the "Yan Report": 1. Bat coronaviruses were used as a background strain to engineer SARS-CoV-2;
2. Evidence suggests prior screening for a virus targeting the human ACE2 receptor;
3. The fur-in-like cleavage site is unnatural and provides evidence of engineering.

"There was a general consensus that the study's claims were better explained by potential political motivations rather than scientific integrity. The peer reviewers arrived at these common opinions independently, further strengthening the credibility of the peer reviews," said the editorial.

Insufficient evidence

One of the peer reviews was by Takahiko Koyama of the IBM Research Computational Biology Center in Yorktown Heights, New York. He concluded that "the manuscript does not demonstrate sufficient scientific evidences to support genetic manipulation origin of SARS-CoV-2".

The peer review by Adam Lauring, from the University of Michigan Internal Medicine Department, said the authors of the report "don't contest the natural origin hypothesis with data. Instead, they offer ideas and opinions".
He also questioned the background of the research.

"A key aspect of research ethics and the responsible conduct of research is to include information on who supported the work－financially or otherwise.

The authors' affiliation is the Rule of Law Society and the Rule of Law Foundation. It is not clear who supports this foundation or what its purpose is," wrote Lauring. "It is also unethical to promote what are essentially conspiracy theories that are not founded in fact."

Reviewer Marvin Reitz from the University of Maryland Biotechnology Institute said: "My opinion is that this is an inept attempt to make the case the virus was man-made. There are no concrete facts in this report. I do wonder why this is coming out now."

MIT peer reviews refute lab origin of coronavirus - World - Chinadaily.com.cn

[harrybarracuda]

I'm sure the people will embrace walking around in blizzards and freezing rain.

Yeah well the sweaties don't do any exercise anyway. They haven't even got the walk/stumble to/from the pub to look forward to for now.

That may apply in the UK from Monday.

My son takes his dog for a walk in the local woods but he says it's boring. I told him to use his social media skills to highlight it as a dogging hotspot.

I said if it ever gets too much you could say Katie Price uses it, then they'll all stop going.

[pseudolus]

it really does not sound like you know what you are talking about

Hi Baldy - I forget that you seem to think you know everything because ABC tells you you do. However the PCR test is not a test but a device used to amplify small segments of DNA. The "primers" they adopted for tests in the western world came from a selection of all Corona viruses, and then tweaked with some information from CHINESE SOCIAL MEDIA. So the PCR process is not even set up to identify as specific "Covid-19" strain at all. It then takes one small fragment and starts multiplying it. You have 1 dead fragment of DNA in your nose, which you sneezed out, it picks it up, and they start multiplying that until they have a larger sample. Anything above 30 times its false manipulation and renders the process worthless. The west processes amplify these samples 46 times.


All this "it was made in a lab" stuff is meaningless and a distraction because it matters not where it came from, and only that there is only a "pandemic" of PCR test results and not Covid-19.

[harrybarracuda]

MIT peer reviews refute lab origin of coronavirus

By MAY ZHOU in Houston | CHINA DAILY | Updated: 2020-10

"Four peer reviews published by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology refute a study that asserts the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic was created by intentional genetic manipulation in China.

None of which rules out:

- The chinkies getting it from munching bats and pangolins.

- The chinkies mishandling virus samples in their Wuhan lab.

[lom]

None of which rules out

Ffs Harry, it does not even rule out that you planted it there.
It is a useless way of trying to prove something.

[harrybarracuda]

Ffs Harry, it does not even rule out that you planted it there.
It is a useless way of trying to prove something.

Don't be fucking stupid, we know the spread of the virus started in Wuhan.

Only trumpanzees think it was engineered by the chinkies, so it's hardly worth refuting it because they don't understand the science anyway.

It is almost certainly the result of one of the two options I mentioned.

Hoohoo won't even admit that, because it's a slur on Mr. Shithole. So it's pointless him posting that it is unlikely to be the result of a stupid trumpanzee conspiracy theory.

[pseudolus]

Don't be fucking stupid, we know the spread of the virus started in Wuhan.

Really?

Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows | Reuters

Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows





By Nathan Allen, Inti Landauro
3 MIN READ





MADRID (Reuters) - Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday.









The discovery of virus genome presence so early in Spain, if confirmed, would imply the disease may have appeared much earlier than the scientific community thought.
The University of Barcelona team, who had been testing waste water since mid-April this year to identify potential new outbreaks, decided to also run tests on older samples.
They first found the virus was present in Barcelona on Jan. 15, 2020, 41 days before the first case was officially reported there.
Then they ran tests on samples taken between January 2018 and December 2019 and found the presence of the virus genome in one of them, collected on March 12, 2019.


“The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive,” research leader Albert Bosch was quoted as saying by the university.
The research has been submitted for a peer review.
Dr Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters it was still early to draw definitive conclusions.
“When it’s just one result, you always want more data, more studies, more samples to confirm it and rule out a laboratory error or a methodological problem,” he said.


There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections.
“But it’s definitely interesting, it’s suggestive,” Villalbi said.
Bosch, who is president of the Spanish Society of Virologists, said that an early detection even in January could have improved the response to the pandemic. Instead, patients were probably misdiagnosed with common flu, contributing to community transmission before measures were taken.
Prof. Gertjan Medema of the KWR Water Research Institute in the Netherlands, whose team began using a coronavirus test on waste water in February, suggested the Barcelona group needs to repeat the tests to confirm it is really the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Spain has recorded more than 28,000 confirmed deaths and nearly 250,000 cases of the virus so far.
Reporting by Emma Pinedo, Nathan Allen and Inti Landauro, writing by Inti Landauro and Andrei Khalip, Editing by Angus MacSwan

Now someone able to think for themselves will make the link in this article with "false positives" where by their test for Covid 19 is showing positive for some random corona in a shit tip.

Because... the test is for all coronas and not "Covid 19" which has never been purified and isolated and thus all testing is false.

[snakeeyes]

[misskit]

Japan’s suicide spike shows coronavirus pandemic has taken a toll on women and teenage girls

The number of suicides rose in Japan in August due to more women and school-aged children taking their own lives – offering a first glimpse into the consequences of the mental health strain brought about by Covid-19 around the globe.


Japan is among a few major economies which releases timely data on suicides as it is a persistent societal issue. The numbers hint at what may be going on around the world as countries grapple with the fallout from mass unemployment and social isolation that’s impacting certain groups of people more than the rest.


Sociologists have long warned that the economic and social disruption wrought by measures to contain the coronavirus could cause more deaths than the pathogen itself. In Japan, the suicide rate has been falling but it remains a top cause of premature deaths – this year, suicide has taken over 13,000 lives, while total Covid-19 fatalities number less than 2,000.

According to government statistics, the number of suicides in August increased by 15.4 per cent to 1,854. Although a smaller proportion of suicides, the number of women taking their own lives jumped by about 40 per cent. The number of suicides of students in elementary to high school more than doubled to 59 from the same period last year.


The mental health toll looks set to be one of the pandemic’s most insidious legacies given the difficulty of grasping or measuring the magnitude of self-inflicted harm until too late. Major economies like the US and China don’t report official data on suicides until years later, though experts have predicted a wave of such deaths this year while anecdotal evidence abounds on social media platforms.

MORE Japan’s suicide spike shows coronavirus pandemic has taken a toll on women and teenage girls | South China Morning Post

[pseudolus]

Of course it has dear.

[Cujo]

Really?

Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows | Reuters






Now someone able to think for themselves will make the link in this article with "false positives" where by their test for Covid 19 is showing positive for some random corona in a shit tip.

Because... the test is for all coronas and not "Covid 19" which has never been purified and isolated and thus all testing is false.

And you believe it

Which is hillarious except dickheads like you spreading shit rumours like this leads other dickheads believing it.

[pseudolus]

Believe what?

[harrybarracuda]

Really?

Yes really.

I suppose it's too much to ask that you ponder why there has been no reporting on this since July.

Dr Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters it was still early to draw definitive conclusions.

“When it’s just one result, you always want more data, more studies, more samples to confirm it and rule out a laboratory error or a methodological problem,” he said.
There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections.

[harrybarracuda]

It's a good job Vlad writes his own election results.

Russia smashes coronavirus single-day case record with more than 12,000 in 24 hours

Russia smashes coronavirus single-day case record with more than 12,000 in 24 hours | The Independent

[harrybarracuda]

One of the White House’s top security officials is said to be seriously ill with coronavirus and has been receiving treatment in hospital for several days.

Crede Bailey, who is in charge of the White House security office, first started to show symptoms even before the Rose Garden event on 26 September when Donald Trump announced his Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, according to a Bloomberg report.

The White House is yet to comment publicly on Bailey’s condition or when he first tested positive for Covid-19, but four unnamed officials told Bloomberg he is now “gravely ill”.

White House head of security is '''very ill''' with coronavirus, report says | The Independent

[pseudolus]

Yes really.

I suppose it's too much to ask that you ponder why there has been no reporting on this since July.

Dumbo you missed the point. The "test" they use would show positive for Covid 19 for a Corona not seen in the world for a hundred years. You really are dumb as a rock mainline your rachel maddow and BBC bullshit all day hahaha