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    Trump says if you don't test you won't have cases, simple. He really doesn't give a shit. There are loads of articles I wanted to post but this pretty much covers it all.



    Love the last line about why they cancelled the coronavirus briefings.
    Last edited by Cujo; 16-06-2020 at 05:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Some very angry and upset punters in NZ over all of this.

    I can see why what with all the stresses of the lock down and stuff and then relief at becoming COVID free only to let a couple of cases in but then on the other hand it shows the system of testing / detecting and tracing is working too.
    But it specifically says they cleared it with the authorities, had a tailored plan for their visit and didn't mix with anyone.

    No harm done?

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    Dexamethasone is first life-saving coronavirus drug

    By Michelle RobertsHealth editor, BBC News online

    A cheap and widely available drug called dexamethasone can help save the lives of patients who are seriously ill with coronavirus.

    UK experts say the low-dose steroid treatment is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus.

    It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.


    The drug is part of
    the world's biggest trial testing existing treatments to see if they also work for coronavirus.


    Researchers estimate that if the drug had been used to treat patients in the UK from the start of the coronavirus pandemic up to 5,000 lives could have been saved. Because it is cheap, it could also be of huge benefit in poorer countries struggling with high numbers of Covid-19 patients.

    About 19 out of 20 patients with coronavirus recover without being admitted to hospital. Of those who are admitted to hospital, most also recover, but some may need oxygen or mechanical ventilation. These are the high-risk patients whom dexamethasone appears to help.

    The drug is already used to reduce inflammation in a range of other conditions, and it appears that it helps stop some of the damage that can happen when the body's immune system goes into overdrive as it tries to fight off coronavirus.


    The body's over-reaction is
    called a cytokine storm and it can be deadly.


    In the trial, led by a team from Oxford University, around 2,000 hospital patients were given dexamethasone and were compared with more than 4,000 who did not receive the drug.


    For patients on ventilators, it cut the risk of death from 40% to 28%. For patients needing oxygen, it cut the risk of death from 25% to 20%.


    Chief investigator Prof Peter Horby said: "This is the only drug so far that has been shown to reduce mortality - and it reduces it significantly. It's a major breakthrough."


    Lead researcher Prof Martin Landray says the findings suggest that for every eight patients treated on ventilators, you could save one life.


    For those patients treated with oxygen, you save one life for approximately every 20-25 treated with the drug.


    "There is a clear, clear benefit. The treatment is up to 10 days of dexamethasone and it costs about £5 per patient. So essentially it costs £35 to save a life. This is a drug that is globally available."


    Prof Landray said, when appropriate, hospital patients should now be given it without delay, but people should not go out and buy it to take at home.


    Dexamethasone does not appear to help people with milder symptoms of coronavirus - those who don't need help with their breathing.


    The Recovery Trial has been running since March. It included the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine which has subsequently been
    ditched amid concerns that it increases fatalities and heart problems.


    Another drug called remdesivir, an antiviral treatment that appears to shorten recovery time for people with coronavirus, is already
    being made available on the NHS.


    Analysis: The first drug proven to cut deaths from Covid-19 is not some new, expensive medicine but an old, cheap-as-chips steroid.

    That is something to celebrate because it means patients across the world could benefit immediately. That's why the top-line results of this trial have been rushed out - because the implications are so huge globally.


    Dexamethasone has been used since the early 1960s to treat a wide range of conditions, such as rheumatoid arthritis and asthma. Half of all Covid patients who require a ventilator do not survive, so cutting that risk by a third would have a huge impact.


    The drug is given intravenously in intensive care, and in tablet form for less seriously ill patients. So far, the only other drug proven to benefit Covid patients is remdesivir, an antiviral treatment which has been used for Ebola.


    That has been shown to reduce the duration of coronavirus symptoms from 15 days to 11, but the evidence was not strong enough to show whether it reduced mortality. Unlike dexamethasone, remdesivir is a new drug with limited supplies and a price has yet to be announced.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281

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    ^ Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    Great idea LD. Stick your fingers in your ears and shut out the sound of any opinion contrary to your chosen theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    But it specifically says they cleared it with the authorities, had a tailored plan for their visit and didn't mix with anyone.

    No harm done?
    Pretty much as far as I know. Although something about their story of driving all that way without stopping doesn't add up.

    But I think the issue for those there is that everyone sacrificed and went a bit nuts during the lock down, celebrated the achievement of making it to COVID-free status and then are like 'WTF was the point if you just let people with COVID in!?'.

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    But....but....what about all that hydroxychloroquine that Trump bought ? What is the USA going to do with it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Chief investigator Prof Peter Horby said: "This is the only drug so far that has been shown to reduce mortality - and it reduces it significantly. It's a major breakthrough."
    Nah, it is a help, a step in the right direction but a major breakthrough is a vaccine that can make people immune and reduce the mortality rate to near 0%.

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    ^As long as the graph goes down until November, goldilocks will be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Pretty much as far as I know. Although something about their story of driving all that way without stopping doesn't add up.

    But I think the issue for those there is that everyone sacrificed and went a bit nuts during the lock down, celebrated the achievement of making it to COVID-free status and then are like 'WTF was the point if you just let people with COVID in!?'.
    Oops...


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oops...
    I'd like to know what retard approved it.

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    New Beijing outbreak raises virus fears for rest of world


    BEIJING (AP) — China raised its emergency warning to its second-highest level and canceled more than 60% of the flights to Beijing on Wednesday amid a new coronavirus outbreak in the capital. It was a sharp pullback for the nation that declared victory over COVID-19 in March and a message to the rest of the world about how tenacious the virus really is.


    New infections spiked in India, Iran and U.S. states including Florida, Texas and Arizona as authorities struggled to balance restarting economic activity without accelerating the pandemic.


    European nations, which embarked on a wide-scale reopening this week, looked on with trepidation as the Americas struggled to contain the first wave of the pandemic and Asian nations like China and South Korea reported new outbreaks.


    Chinese officials described the situation in Beijing as “extremely grave.”

    MORE New Beijing outbreak raises virus fears for rest of world

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post

    New Beijing outbreak raises virus fears for rest of world


    BEIJING (AP) — China raised its emergency warning to its second-highest level and canceled more than 60% of the flights to Beijing on Wednesday amid a new coronavirus outbreak in the capital. It was a sharp pullback for the nation that declared victory over COVID-19 in March and a message to the rest of the world about how tenacious the virus really is.


    New infections spiked in India, Iran and U.S. states including Florida, Texas and Arizona as authorities struggled to balance restarting economic activity without accelerating the pandemic.


    European nations, which embarked on a wide-scale reopening this week, looked on with trepidation as the Americas struggled to contain the first wave of the pandemic and Asian nations like China and South Korea reported new outbreaks.


    Chinese officials described the situation in Beijing as “extremely grave.”

    MORE New Beijing outbreak raises virus fears for rest of world
    Looks like even they've realised what cuntos they'd look if they tried to keep that quiet.

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    OK, who had Alien Invasion again?

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails The COVID-2019 Thread-glow-mars-jpg  

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    Poor old chinkies, their cunning plan to accuse Norwegian Salmon of spreading the bug has collapsed like a clown's car.

    The rancid little fuckers have no compunction about damaging foreign businesses by trying to claim the Wuhan Virus is the Norwegian Salmon Virus, even though it's patently obvious that's not where it came from.

    OSLO: Chinese and Norwegian authorities have concluded salmon from Norway was not the source of the coronavirus found on cutting boards at a Beijing wholesale food market, Norway's fisheries and seafood minister said on Wednesday.

    "We can clear away uncertainty," Odd Emil Ingebrigtsen told a video conference.

    Chinese and Norwegian officials had decided on Tuesday the source of the outbreak did not originate in fish from Norway, he added.

    China halted imports of European salmon after reports on Saturday that the virus was discovered on equipment used for handling fish at Beijing's Xinfadi market, prompting supermarkets in the Chinese capital to remove salmon from their shelves.

    Norwegian salmon producers saw orders from China cancelled over the weekend, although Norway's Food Safety Authority said there was no evidence fish could be infected.

    Shares in Norwegian salmon farmers, which had fallen on Monday, rose on Wednesday with market leader Mowi up 3.6% and Salmar up 2.9% at 5.04pm.

    The Norwegian Seafood Council, a state-run marketing company, told Reuters that some shipments of salmon were being sent to major Chinese cities, with the exception of Beijing.


    One salmon exporter, who declined to be named, said that some exports went through to China but most were still on hold.
    Norway says its salmon did not cause virus at Beijing market

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    The COVID-2019 Thread-mid-2x-png

    Really good animated article on the Virus.

    About a 3 min read ... Which coronavirus vaccine will win the race? The clues are in the vial - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    About a 10 min read if you continue through to the 3 main options to fight the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Chinese and Norwegian officials had decided on Tuesday the source of the outbreak did not originate in fish from Norway, he added.
    Norway says its salmon did not cause virus at Beijing market
    Sounds more like the Norwegians told them to reverse and sharpish, ie piss off if they want more salmon, ever. Norway can't be bullied like Oz and other reliant economies, they could well survive by sending their fish elsewhere, or even letting the blighter stocks replenish for a couple of years.

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    Coronavirus: What is the true death toll of the pandemic? - BBC News

    Coronavirus: What is the true death toll of the pandemic?

    "United Kingdom (7 Mar - 5 Jun)

    The number of deaths in the United Kingdom has been 43% higher than average, with about 64,500 more people dying than usual."

    In other words, the 'true' death toll in the UK is about 12,000 people more than the government's claimed figure. Just pause to think about that, 12,000 human lives cut short MORE THAN the government number.

    The degree to which this has been mishandled in the UK is truly shocking, IMHO.

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    ^BBC News. The UK media has been scouring old people's homes to bump up the death toll figures, almost all of which had 'underlying medical conditions' as old people tend to do.

    Actual infection to death ratio = 0.28%.

    Mortality Rate (23k / 8.4M = 0.28% CMR to date) and Probability of Dying

    As of May 1, 23,430 people are estimated to have died out of a total population of 8,398,748 in New York City. This corresponds to a 0.28% crude mortality rate to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population, or 1 death every 358 people. Note that the Crude Mortality Rate will continue to increase as more infections and deaths occur (see notes under the paragraph "Herd Immunity" below for details).
    Mortality Rate by Age

    See also: Death Rate by Age and Sex of COVID-19 patients
    When analyzing the breakdown of deaths by age and condition [source], we can observe how, out of 15,230 confirmed deaths in New York City up to May 12, only 690 (4.5% of all deaths) occurred in patients under the age of 65 who did not have an underlying medical condition (or for which it is unknown whether they had or did not have an underlying condition).
    Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, GI/Liver Disease, and Obesity [source]
    Under 65-year-old (0.09% CMR to date)

    85.9% of the population (7,214,525 people out of 8,398,748) in New York City is under 65 years old according to the US Census Bureau, which indicates the percent of persons 65 years old and over in New York City as being 14.1% [source].
    Source: Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    ^BBC News. The UK media has been scouring old people's homes to bump up the death toll figures, almost all of which had 'underlying medical conditions' as old people tend to do.

    Actual infection to death ratio = 0.28%.



    Source: Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer
    The report is from the BBC yes. Their data come from the Office for National Statistics. Those are hard data, not media manipulated.

    The next step, how we interpret the data, is more subjective.

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    Karma.

    I love his bollocks about "Unfortunately we do not have the luxury of staying home" before continuing "I held a campaign event, where it is likely I came into contact with an infected individual."

    They genuinely do not realise how fucking dumb they are.


    A Republican sheriff in Arizona who said he would not enforce the state's emergency coronavirus orders has come down with COVID-19.


    Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb announced on Facebook on Wednesday that he had tested positive, likely from attending a campaign event on Saturday. He says he found out when he was called on Tuesday to meet with President Trump at the White House and was screened for the virus.

    "Unfortunately, as a law enforcement official and elected leader, we do not have the luxury of staying home," Lamb wrote. "This line of work is inherently dangerous, and that is a risk we take when we sign up for the job. Today, that risk is the COVID-19 virus. On Saturday, I held a campaign event, where it is likely I came into contact with an infected individual."
    Arizona Sheriff Who Wouldn't Enforce Lockdown Restrictions Has COVID-19 | Phoenix New Times

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    BTW, Thailand gets a mention in that BBC report too.

    "Thailand (1 Mar - 31 May)

    The number of deaths in Thailand has been 2% higher than average, with about 2,400 more people dying than usual.

    Official Covid-19 deaths
    57

    Other excess deaths
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    OSLO: Chinese and Norwegian authorities have concluded salmon from Norway was not the source of the coronavirus found on cutting boards at a Beijing wholesale food market, Norway's fisheries and seafood minister said on Wednesday.
    "The chairman of the Xinfadi meat wholesale market told state-run Beijing News that the virus was detected on chopping boards used to handle imported salmon."

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/coronavirus/2020/06/13/Coronavirus-Parts-of-Beijing-locked-down-due-to-fresh-virus-cluster.htm

    Whose source was a Chinese language paper

    "Beijing Daily reported Saturday."

    北京日报

    Presumably Norway's salmon have been "proven", to both exporter's and importers satisfaction, not the be infected and hence did not cause the latest outbreak. Although currently nobody has published any evidence of testing. Anybody who suspects any source, would do such an elementary thing.

    We await all the other possible sources of the salmon being cleared.

    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Sounds more like the Norwegians told them to reverse and sharpish, ie piss off if they want more salmon, ever.
    One can suggest somebody tested the salmon, after the initial suspicion or, as jabir suggests, the Norwegians "threatened" China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Their data come from the Office for National Statistics. Those are hard data,
    You obviously missed the problems the ONS is having with the reposted UK regime's data. As posted here previously.

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