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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    maybe a dirty little secret they don't want to expose
    Fear allows great changes to introduced without public questioning. One hopes Thailand can remain sleeping on it's glorious beaches and slumbering in it's colourful scented temples listening to the chanting monks.


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    Provided for interest.

    Concerning the infection of a US Aircraft Carrier with the Covid-19 virus. The crew would be considered to be physically fit with no underlying health issues although things can always slip through the cracks.

    A naval warship is close quarters, “social distancing” not possible on any of the vessels I’ve ever been on. You live in close quarters where space is at a premium. Most sailors do not roam freely around the ship as it is a dangerous working environment. You travel from your berthing space to your work space. Common areas would be the mess deck and ships store.


    Covid-19 infects a US Aircraft Carrier

    Navy: More than 10% of carrier's crew test positive - AOL News

    USS Theodore Roosevelt

    In total, 550 people on the aircraft carrier docked near Guam have been infected with COVID-19, according to a post on the Navy’s website. As of Saturday, 92% of the ship’s nearly 4,600-person crew had been tested.

    No one aboard the Theodore Roosevelt has died from COVID-19 yet, though one sailor was admitted to the ICU on Thursday.


    Recap: Crew of 4,600 (92%) or 4,232 have been tested. 550 positives, 1 in ICU.

    Of those tested: 4,232/550 = 13% are positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    I'll correct that for you BB.

    All the people who die from this virus would have died eventually.

    In fact, I have bad news for you. Everyone dies eventually whether they catch Covid-19 or spend the rest of their life hiding under the bed.
    Thanks for the info...

    You may wanna listen to Bill Gates:

    Bill Gates: Few countries will get 'A-grade' for coronavirus response - BBC News
    Last edited by Bettyboo; 12-04-2020 at 04:48 PM.

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    WHO investigating reports of recovered patients testing positive again


    The World Health Organization said Saturday that it was looking into reports of some COVID-19 patients testing positive again after initially testing negative for the disease while being considered for discharge.


    South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the virus had tested positive again.


    The told Reuters in a brief statement: “We are aware of these reports of individuals who have tested negative for COVID-19 using PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing and then after some days testing positive again.


    “We are closely liaising with our clinical experts and working hard to get more information on those individual cases. It is important to make sure that when samples are collected for testing on suspected patients, procedures are followed properly,” it said.

    Coronavirus: WHO investigating reports of recovered patients testing positive again

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    USA! USA! USA!

    Coronavirus live updates: U.S. surpasses 20,000 deaths to lead the world

    The U.S. has surpassed Italy as the country with the highest number of coronavirus deaths with more than 20,000 recorded by Saturday, according to NBC News figures.


    Worldwide, the death toll is more than 107,000, and the number of confirmed cases has surpassed 1.7 million, according to Johns Hopkins University.


    Mainland China reported 99 new coronavirus infections, more than doubling from the previous day to reach a one-month high, as the number of single-day imported cases hit a record, official data released Sunday showed. Almost all the new infections - the biggest daily count since Mar. 6 - involve travelers from overseas. Just two out of the 99 cases were locally transmitted


    In addition, highlighting another major source of risk, newly reported asymptomatic coronavirus cases nearly doubled to 63, up from 34 the previous day, according to China's National Health Commission.

    Coronavirus: WHO investigating reports of recovered patients testing positive again

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    Bojo has been discharged from hospital

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Provided for interest.

    Concerning the infection of a US Aircraft Carrier with the Covid-19 virus. The crew would be considered to be physically fit with no underlying health issues although things can always slip through the cracks.

    A naval warship is close quarters, “social distancing” not possible on any of the vessels I’ve ever been on. You live in close quarters where space is at a premium. Most sailors do not roam freely around the ship as it is a dangerous working environment. You travel from your berthing space to your work space. Common areas would be the mess deck and ships store.


    Covid-19 infects a US Aircraft Carrier

    Navy: More than 10% of carrier's crew test positive - AOL News

    USS Theodore Roosevelt

    In total, 550 people on the aircraft carrier docked near Guam have been infected with COVID-19, according to a post on the Navy’s website. As of Saturday, 92% of the ship’s nearly 4,600-person crew had been tested.

    No one aboard the Theodore Roosevelt has died from COVID-19 yet, though one sailor was admitted to the ICU on Thursday.


    Recap: Crew of 4,600 (92%) or 4,232 have been tested. 550 positives, 1 in ICU.

    Of those tested: 4,232/550 = 13% are positive
    What am I missing? On something like an aircraft carrier that's easily isolated with >10% already infected, allow these to infect the others, all young and fit and strong, have the boat go low profile for a week or two while everyone recovers, and end up with a crew that's immune and running at full strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    COVID-19 could be our Chernobyl moment, and we all know what it cost to the USSR and what happened next, total collapse of the USSR
    "total collapse of the USSR": wasn't it caused by Reagan with help of his fortune teller? And the last nail in the coffin by Bush the father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Bojo has been discharged from hospital
    It will bring a good hope for others ailing provided they will get the same care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    What am I missing? On something like an aircraft carrier that's easily isolated with >10% already infected, allow these to infect the others, all young and fit and strong, have the boat go low profile for a week or two while everyone recovers, and end up with a crew that's immune and running at full strength.
    Makes sense to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Makes sense to me
    The Nimitz and the Reagan may have Covid problems as well. Where's Storekeeper?

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    False-negative results from coronavirus tests are becoming an increasing concern, say doctors trying to diagnose patients and get a grip on the outbreak, as a surprising number of people show up with obvious symptoms only to be told by the tests that they don’t have the disease.

    While still more research is necessary to determine the true prevalence of such false-negative results, experts agree that the problem is significant. False negatives not only impede the diagnosis of disease in individual patients and an accurate understanding of the extent of its proliferation, but also risk patients who think they aren't ill further spreading the virus.

    Some doctors described situations in which patients show up with clear symptoms such as a cough and fever, test negative, and then test positive later on. It’s a particular issue in New York, where the disease has likely infected far more than the 174,000 people confirmed through limited testing. At Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx, doctor Jeremy Sperling says so-called false-negative tests are now a frequent occurrence in the emergency room.


    “If a patient presents with classic Covid symptoms, but tests negative, they’ve still got Covid,” said Sperling, who is the chair of emergency medicine at the hospital. “There is just nothing else it could be in New York City in 2020.”

    Concerns about false negatives arise from a mix of factors: quickly created tests from dozens of labs and manufacturers that haven't been extensively vetted by federal health regulators; a shortage of supplies and material for the tests that may impact results, long incubation times for the infection, and the challenge of getting an adequate sample from a patient.

    Most tests rely on a nasal swab that penetrates deep into the pharynx, the mucous membrane behind the nose and mouth. Even for a trained health worker, it can be difficult: It’s an invasive procedure that often causes patients to squirm. With a shortage of staff to conduct such widespread testing, in many cases people not typically trained to do so are collecting samples.

    Ryan Stanton, an emergency medicine physician in Lexington, Kentucky, said that most people likely aren't swabbing patients correctly. “They're not getting far enough back there to get a good sample,” he said.

    The Food and Drug Administration has loosened rules for getting the tests out on the market. While a new test marketed by a major manufacturer would typically undergo a rigorous approval process with the FDA, including studies to confirm its accuracy, the agency is instead using a shorthand version of that process. Under what's known as an Emergency Use Authorization, or EUA, manufacturers can begin making and distributing tests for use in patients without the usual, more thorough process. The FDA has cleared more than 40 different Covid-19 tests through EUAs, according to the agency’s website, reflecting the need to get as many tests out into the field as possible.

    “We have in this country a really robust system for pre-market approval,” said Erika Lietzan, a professor of law at the University of Missouri. “Emergency use authorization is not the same thing as approval. It is based on many fewer data.”

    Similar measures have been taken around the world, as the U.S. and other health authorities race to build diagnostic capacity and get a handle on the outbreak. That haste, however, may have come at a cost. One study out of China published online
    prior to peer-review found that for the nasal-swab tests most commonly administered, as many as one in three tests may produce a false-negative result.


    In some cases, lacking tests or not trusting the results, doctors have
    turned to chest X-rays or CT scans to diagnose patients by looking for signs of infection in the lungs.


    “A clinical diagnosis is a lot more useful than the test in many cases,” Sperling said. “Though it’s nice to clinch the
    diagnosis.

    The ramifications of false negatives are not just medical, but political.


    “Especially as we talk about reopening the country prematurely, there is a serious risk of people who think they are negative contributing to a second round of the virus spreading,” said Congressman Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat and Chairman of the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, who on Thursday issued a call for more data on the accuracy of results.

    The majority of tests rely on a technique known as PCR to process samples, which involves extracting ribonucleic acid, or RNA, from the virus samples taken from a patient. RNA, however, is especially unstable: Enzymes that break it down exist all over the place, including on our bodies. Amid a scarcity of supplies, hospitals have reported splitting the liquid that preserves samples in testing kits, or using supplies from flu and strep kits. Shortages of the right swabs have led some clinics to use alternatives; some are even attempting to validate Q-tips. Shortages of chemicals to process samples have also led to experimentation with substitutes. All of these situations could potentially lead to an inaccurate result.

    Also unknown is the best time in a patient’s illness to conduct a test. For the flu, for example, tests are effective when a person exhibits early symptoms because the virus has a short incubation period. Covid-19 appears to have a much longer incubation period, and there is a dearth of data about when in the course of the disease a test is most likely to be positive, said Catherine Klapperich, director of Boston University’s Precision Diagnostics Center.


    “Right now, we don’t have enough data or knowledge of how this disease goes through a population to make those guidelines,” she said. “We're making those guidelines on the fly.”


    This could account for why a patient suspected to have the virus might test negative several times before testing positive. One case study posted this week described a 34-year-old man who tested negative four times before finally testing positive five days after being admitted to a hospital. Like the doctor in the Bronx, researchers suggested using chest X-rays for earlier diagnosis.

    Under typical circumstances, said Jeffrey Gibbs, the director of Washington, D.C., law firm Hyman, Phelps & McNamara, the FDA would evaluate not just the test itself but how it performs in the real world.


    “The FDA really can’t assess as they would in a normal scenario right now,” he said. “We don’t have time for a 100% perfect test that works every time.”

    The Trump administration has appointed Brett Girior, a senior official in the Department of Health and Human Services, to oversee U.S. testing efforts, which are crucial to attempts to reopen the economy, track cases and stop new infections.

    False negatives are always a concern,” Giroir said in an interview with Bloomberg News. “The tests that we have we think are really pretty good.” Giroir said that a 90% accuracy rate or better, including false positives and false negatives, is the goal. “With any test, there's always false positives and false negatives, that's just the reality of testing.”


    Giroir said that doctors and nurses should continue using their judgment, especially when patients show up with clear Covid-19 symptoms in an area with lots of cases. “If a person comes in today in New York with interstitial pneumonia, coughing, with fever, you don't even need a test to tell you that's likely Covid,” Giroir said.


    With the combination of long waits for results, tests being given only to the sickest patients, and the concern over false negatives, some jurisdictions are changing how they characterize their outbreaks. At Reid Health in Indiana, the health-care network now includes the number of “
    patients in containment areas” rather than simply positive and negative results. The small town on the Ohio border where Reid is headquartered has about 36,000 residents. At least 6,900 cases have been confirmed in the state.


    “This data will no longer include the number of negative tests results as studies are showing a relatively high ‘false negative’ outcome of testing,” the health system said on its website.


    “Our infectious disease experts think that about 30% of patients we believe have Covid are testing negative,” said Thomas Huth, the health network’s vice president of medical affairs. “We have tested some again, but they remain negative.”

    In mid-March in Berkeley, California, Christine Miksza's toddler went to the emergency room with Covid-19 symptoms, only to test negative. A week and a half later, Miksza, 33, came down with symptoms and tested negative herself. In the meantime, they had gone to the grocery store several times and on one occasion her husband had been to work.


    “We would have been much stricter about not leaving the house,” she said, had they had a positive result. It was only after another week of worsening illness and a chest X-ray that her doctors decided there was nothing else she could possibly have. “We could have been spreading germs, but we just didn't know. This test is just taken as 100% fact.”


    She’s still waiting for her second test’s results.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/false-negative-coronavirus-test-results-raise-doctors-doubts?sref=DOTC0U32&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflo w-organic&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&__t witter_impression=true

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    A good thing is that the homeless is well cared for in Nevada (some of them were brought lately by the regular shuttle from The Venetian LV...)



    https://twitter.com/Manda_like_wine/...02911084154880

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    ^ They'll soon have their $1200 windfall from Uncle Sam and their worries will be over.

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    Russia confirmed 2,186 new coronavirus infections on Sunday, bringing the country’s official number of cases up to 15,770 and marking a one-day record in new cases.

    More than half of China's coronavirus infections reported on Sunday originated from a Russian flight to Shanghai the day before, a potential sign of the severity of Russia's outbreak, Bloomberg reported. So far this month, China’s northeastern Heilongjiang province has reported more than 100 infections imported from Russia through its land borders.

    Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News - The Moscow Times


    What’s up with that? Russia exporting so many sick people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
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    Russia confirmed 2,186 new coronavirus infections on Sunday, bringing the country’s official number of cases up to 15,770 and marking a one-day record in new cases.

    More than half of China's coronavirus infections reported on Sunday originated from a Russian flight to Shanghai the day before, a potential sign of the severity of Russia's outbreak, Bloomberg reported. So far this month, China’s northeastern Heilongjiang province has reported more than 100 infections imported from Russia through its land borders.

    Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News - The Moscow Times


    What’s up with that? Russia exporting so many sick people!
    More likely chinky tourists dropping it off....

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    Kit, the chinks have been bullshitting their cases and deaths for 2 months now, Russia is a propaganda state and all told you can't trust a thing coming from either - the real problem is you can't trust the EU / US ..other numbers because they are testing dependent and that's not covering the spectrum of deaths..mainly hospitalised deaths with COVID symptoms - i reckon reporting in massively out.

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    Well that's just fucking great.

    South Korea has confirmed 111 cases of coronavirus reinfection (as of Sunday noon) with most cases reported in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province, two epicenters of the domestic outbreak.

    Jung Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), said on Sunday the organization was exploring possible causes of reinfection.

    "For now it is uncertain what led to reinfection ― revived virus that survived treatment or fresh exposure to the virus after recovery," Jung said.

    The director said an extensive research was under way and the KCDC would share the result with WHO and other nations battling coronavirus.

    Earlier health authorities here have said the virus was highly likely to have been reactivated, instead of the people being reinfected, as they tested positive again in a relatively short time after being released from quarantine.

    They also said the COVID-19 virus may remain latent in certain cells in the body and attack the respiratory organs again once reactivated.

    A COVID-19 patient is deemed fully recovered after showing negative results for two tests in a row within a 24-hour interval. The country's COVID-19 infections reported 32 additional virus cases, bringing total infections to 10,512.

    South Korea confirms 111 cases of coronavirus reinfection - The Korea Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    What’s up with that? Russia exporting so many sick people!
    Chinese people returning home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    "total collapse of the USSR": wasn't it caused by Reagan with help of his fortune teller? And the last nail in the coffin by Bush the father?
    of course not, that's the fairy tale version for the Americans

    Afghan war and Chernobyl did it, like I said, Empires will destroy from within and the USSR empire is not exception in that regard

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    occams razor indicates it was american funded chinese mistakes that caused this

    though prior to this article I would have thought "serial passage" meant the chain of ladyboy dong entering a fat belgian boiler room spermtoon blurter

    “No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito” – What The Expanse tells us about the COVID-19 pandemic and serial passage gain-of-function research – Harvard to the Big House

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    We are all just speculating.

    Try and a get a handle on the pandemic - how many different countries and their administrations, how many different testing methods, how many different criteria for testing, etc., etc., etc.

    It'll be many months before any real valid data to assess the problem is available, and, even then, the data will be subject to method of presentation and individual interpretation. How can you possibly "standardize" Covid testing protocol worldwide? Then, how do you standardize interpretation of the test results?

    Covid testing has been plagued by inconsistencies - false positives and false negatives along with non-repeatable results. A few articles provided include doctors with a patient who has ALL the symptoms (so the docs know its Covid) yet the tests come back negative.

    If you can't trust the test results how can you possibly trust the statistics presented?

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    Chinks blame the Yanks, Yanks blame the Chinks. Wot's new? Oh, more and more dead Americans. World beaters. Blame the Chinks, and MAGA the Trumpmeister. About right for the post truth era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    About right for the post truth era.
    Not convinced there was ever a truth era!

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