The COVID-2019 Thread

[Bettyboo]

America has lost the plot, and they still have 10 days or more of rapid growth (if they follow the model that many other countries have) - will they get to 1 million cases by themselves?

India is starting to grow.

Korea down to 15th and dropping fast. It was only a month a go that Korea was second and looking bad. Things move fast, as said before, when India and South Africa reach the kinda numbers that America has maybe we'll be approaching 2 million then - in what, a month? Two months? Two weeks?

Here's a comparison from exactly one month ago to now - hard to believe isn't it.

3rd March:





Today:

[bowie]

will they get to 1 million cases by themselves?

Without a doubt - just a matter of testing. How much of the exponential increase is based on increased testing? and not on "new" infections?

The initial information provided remains correct, 80% of infected persons experience mild symptoms. Initially testing was limited only to those who experienced the set of symptoms associated with the virus.

As the availability of test kits and testing increases mild positives will decrease the death rate. As "drive thru" testing facilities increase many folk who really shouldn't bother, will get tested for peace of mind - pricing will come into the picture.

[Latindancer]

In Greece, authorities placed an entire refugee camp of 2400 people under quarantine after discovering that one-third of the 63 contacts of just one infected woman tested positive — and none had showed symptoms.

[Storekeeper]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1ehXcM6IBkxpK2HaR97eKu9VtfQ9ns8g9 C8ljpQth7TeDC-1aC3WCHUDg&v=qgylp3Td1Bw

[Chittychangchang]

In Greece, authorities placed an entire refugee camp of 2400 people under quarantine after discovering that one-third of the 63 contacts of just one infected woman tested positive — and none had showed symptoms.

Wait till it hits the Syrian camps.

[misskit]

Wait until it takes hold in any developing country. COVID is decimating the wealthy nations with good resources now. It will be an even worse hell in Mumbai or Mexico City.

[jabir]

Trust me, no one will be buying bats.

That sounds like what many might have said around the time SARS was doing its bit.

[jabir]

Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
China has clearly been lying all along, though I expect they'll get away with it, UK as you say are not providing true numbers while other countries may also be massaging their figures for political/economic preference,

Your terminology varies:

lying, are not providing true numbers, massaging their figures.

If an inquisitive person may ask:

"What criteria do you utilise for determining the "labelling", of countries with differing terminology, for alleged actions, which delivers the same outcome?

Aw, dear inquisitive hoho, bit early for squirrel-type exchanges but briefly, lying (a) means telling porkies, like everything’s fine as bodies are piling up, not providing true numbers (b) means could do better on methodology, while massaging figures (c) means providing plausible numbers from those you believe are accurate but due to (b) probably aren’t.

If you're really inquisitive this morning please research why this is all in italics and let me know, I can't be arsed.

[jabir]

If the source was RT we would not believe it. But this one (NDTV.com anybody ever heard about them?), they surely would not lie to us, would they?

BTW, what the article exactly told us? And who was the source?

Imo, CCP are in defence and would love for the capitalists to falsely accuse them of reopening their wet markets, or of anything else that's provably untrue.

Fact that so many sources have come up with the same story means either that they're lazy fcuks simply rehashing fake news, or it isn't fake news; my money says the latter, until grandly disproved by CPP.

I also think by the time this is over there will be billions of people around the world that are going to be mighty pissed off if the intl community allow China to simply shrug this off and resume prepping the conditions for our next pandemic.

[OhOh]

China has clearly been lying all along, though I expect they'll get away with it, UK as you say are not providing true numbers while other countries may also be massaging their figures for political/economic preference,

The WHO "asks" all member countries to provides its data and provides its matrix of definitions. No date or update indication given.

Global surveillance for COVID-19 caused by human infection with COVID-19 virus: interim guidance

Interim guidance 20 March 2020


State Self-Reporting Platform
"4
The designated national authority is asked to provide data directly to the self-reporting platform, which will be publicly available without editing or filtering by WHO. Aggregate data will be made available to all Member States and the wider general public through the WHO website, may be pooled with other data to inform international response operations, and periodically published in WHO situation updates and other formats for the benefit of all Member States. Member states can self-report their data in two ways: • Upload an Excel file directly into the system • Manually enter data using the submission platform provided ...."

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/...-SoNG-v2.4.pdf

A OZ government document with a table indicating the dates when changes to their official "definition"

"Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) CDNA National Guidelines for Public Health Units

Revision history Version Date Revised by Changes

2.4 26 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Inclusion of advice for probable cases throughout.
2.3 24 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition.
2.2 21 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case management – Release from isolation.
2.1 20 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition, Contact management, Special situations.
2.0 13 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition, Contact management, Laboratory testing, Appendix A.
1.18 10 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition, Case management, Contact management. Inclusion of Air crew and Schools advice in Special situations section.
1.17 05 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Inclusion of self-quarantine advice for returned travellers from South Korea, revised Case management, inclusion of table of contents.
1.16 04 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Inclusion of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community advice in Special situations section.
1.15 03 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition, Contact management.
1.14 02 March 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Case definition, Risk stratification of countries, Contact management.
1.13 28 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Revised: Laboratory testing, isolation and restriction and Appendix A: laboratory testing information.
1.12 27 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia Inclusion of Cambodia in the list of countries in the Person under investigation section.
1.11 26 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Inclusion of Italy in the list of countries in the Person Under Investigation section.
1.10 23 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Inclusion of South Korea and Iran in the list of countries in the Person Under Investigation section.
1.9 21 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Revised: case definition, infectious period, contact management, special situation (cruise ship). Specific changes are highlighted.
1.8 17 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Inclusion of statement reflecting that passengers of the Diamond Princess cruise meet the criteria for close contact.
1.7 15 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Revised case definition.
1.6 14 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Addition of Appendix B: Interim recommendations for the use of personal protective equipment (PPE) during hospital care of people with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). Updated nomenclature.
1.5 7 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Inclusion of advice on release from isolation.
1.4 6 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Revised case definition and added rationale. Updated infection control advice throughout.
1.3 4 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Revised the case definition and use of the terms ‘quarantine’ and ‘isolation’.
1.2 2 February 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Revised the case definition, close and casual contact definitions and added self-isolation guidance.
1.1 27 January 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Removed references to Wuhan and revised the case definition.
1.0 23 January 2020 Communicable Diseases Network Australia
Developed by the 2019-nCoV Working Group.

This document summarises interim recommendations for surveillance, infection control, laboratory testing and contact management for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). It is the first national guidance issued for COVID-19 and will be further developed into the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) CDNA National Guidelines for Public Health Units (COVID-19 SoNG).

It has been adapted from CDNA National Guidelines for Public Health Units MERS-CoV, utilising current CDC and WHO guidance, and is based on the current knowledge of the situation in mainland China and other countries, and experiences with SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. CDNA will review and update these recommendations as required as new information becomes available on the situation. "

Department of Health | Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Presumably all countries provide similar to the WHO.

Illustrated above the WHO recognises definitions vary, but provide the official definitions.

To label one country only, as lying, suggests peer pressure, limited knowledge or inherent racism.

An article on this topic can be found here:

MoA - China Did Not Deceive Us - Counting Death During An Epidemic Is Really Difficult

[jabir]

The WHO "asks" all member countries to provides its data and provides its matrix of definitions. No date or update indication given.

OK, your turn, does that mean everything's just fine to do with data matters?

Seeing as you've clearly done your research on this and come up a nonbinding meme from an organisation that many believe is pwned by China, will you expect WHO to publicly smack China's bum when the world discovers they've been lying all along?

[OhOh]

In Greece, authorities placed an entire refugee camps

Wait till it hits the Syrian camps.

Are not the camps run by the same UN organisations?

Wait until it takes hold in any developing country

China, a "developing country", has already shown "one system - one solution", and has it made freely available to all countries, "a developing or developed, country".

As opposed to some countries demanding ownership, IP and future revenues.

[bowie]

ah yes... communications and the inherent problems -


“I know you think you believe you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is exactly what I meant.” Richard Nixon

Due to the problem of "miscommunications", what I said - what you heard - what I meant - what you thought I meant, the boss had middle management spent almost a full month writing a company internal use dictionary. Didn't solve the problem but did become an oft mentioned internal joke item.


The Covid numbers reported are fluid, ever changing and uncontrollable neither calibrated or standardized yet do provide a valuable metric concerning the advancing pandemic. The numbers ain't gospel but they are the best tool we have.

[bsnub]

Wait until it takes hold in any developing country.

When it hits Africa then the real carnage will begin.

[Dillinger]

Wait until it takes hold in any developing country.

Like America?

The USA will have the highest death toll with their healthcare system and sheer amount of fat fuckers eating like they have free healthcare

[tomcat]

Like America?

The USA will have the highest death toll with their healthcare system and sheer amount of fat fuckers eating like they have free healthcare

...USA! USA!...

[Dillinger]

Its gonna be MAGA

[PlanK]

[pickel]

When it hits Africa then the real carnage will begin.

If Africa was shit at fighting pandemics, we'd all have Ebola by now. America will be more fuct.

[Cujo]

The U.S. under Trump has been slow of the mark, from the start denying there was even a problem and they are so disorganised, what with different states having different policies, they're fucked.
How can you contain it if one state has complete lockdown and everyone wearing masks and mandatory quarantine etc (The prudent steps) and neighbouring states don't, and there is free movement between them?
You can't. The U.S. is going to take a long time to get a handle on this. There will be riots and death and pandemonium before it's all over.
They even disbanded the pandemic response units.
Idiots.

[thailazer]

Heather Scott, Idaho representative, is my hero today because she is proof that Natural Selection is alive and well. She states the stay home orders are unconstitutional in that Americans have the right to assemble. Yep, assemble. So... We will see how all this works out after all is said and done, and after the smoke has cleared from the crematoriums. Some people just don't have even the basic smarts to see danger. Geeez, my fellow Americans . . .

[David48atTD]

More than 52,800 people worldwide have now died from COVID-19



The death toll from the fast-spreading coronavirus rose and at least 52,863 people have lost their lives to the disease, according to the latest numbers from Johns Hopkins University.

Italy accounted for the largest number of fatalities, with 13,915 dead. In Spain, 10,348 have died while France reported 5,398 deceased.
The total number of infection cases around the world crossed 1 million overnight as the virus outbreak rapidly spread to Europe and the United States in March and is beginning to take a foothold among African countries. JHU data showed there were at least 1,011,490 reported instances of infection. — Saheli Roy Choudhury



Coronavirus live updates: South Korea cases top 10,000

[tomcat]

The death toll from the fast-spreading coronavirus rose and at least 52,863 people have lost their lives to the disease, according to the latest numbers from Johns Hopkins University.

...I need a breakdown of that figure: exactly how many were elderly white evangelical trailer park residents buried in MAGA hats?...

[harrybarracuda]

That's what have been confirmed.
The true number could be 10 x that, the truth is no one knows.

Iceland is one of the world leaders in population tested, and their research suggests that 50% of cases are asymptomatic.

Plus you had all those people who thought they had the flu until the chinkies admitted that they had been lying about the extent of their chinky plague.

[harrybarracuda]

China, a "developing country", has already shown "one system - one solution", and has it made freely available to all countries, "a developing or developed, country".

The snivelling chinky sycophant doesn't realise that in their rush to try and show the world they had "conquered" the virus, the chinkies were reporting zero cases when in fact infections are on the rise again, because they decided to consider people with asymptomatic infections to be "not infected".

The fucking dumbarses.

Today they have reported 31 new cases and 4 deaths. That's if you can believe the lying chinky bastards.

A county in central China has been put under lockdown again after a flare-up in coronavirus cases, pointing to the difficulty of sustaining outbreak containment in the face of carriers who show no signs of sickness.

Jia county, whose population numbers around 640,000, issued a directive on Wednesday asking all residential compounds to be sealed off and those visiting and leaving homes to produce identity cards, wear masks and submit to temperature checks. Car traffic will also be limited.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/chinese-county-back-under-lockdown-after-infection-re-emerges