The COVID-2019 Thread

[Bettyboo]

So, I think we can be certain that COVID-19 triggers an immune response that is sufficient for some untreated patients to recover and in other patients is as useful as a foreskin in a Jewish nudist camp.

You are missing the vital point which has been made by doctors over and over again: the response is relatively random because this particular virus has never been seen before - it's a race against time to see if these random (though intelligent) efforts and various antibodies will be effective or not. Here is a specific detailing of the 5 or so antibodies that were effective for this lady:

Boo, this is a brilliant video, you should watch it.



Pay particular attention at 14:50.

It is a good video and completely parallels what the articles I've linked to are saying, down to the exact proteins, etc. But, he doesn't explain why the antibodies are not always effective. That reason is because it's a first time, so the novel virus and the exact antibody(s) that worked against it have never been tagged by the immune system.

That is the point I have made over and over and over, and it is repeated in these medical articles... This is from the article above and this is the salient point:

Once your body has made antibodies that attach to the target virus then your immune system remembers this and links the two together for future knowledge.

Because it has not happened before the immune system does not have this knowledge hence why cases are so severe and mortality is so high. It is this knowledge - the exact antibody (either already available or needing to be adapted - this is currently unknown) that attaches to this target virus that the immune system needs to know. But it can only know this if: the human has had the virus before, it's in the genetic code or a vaccine has been administered to give the information. Please note: with a novel virus, the immune system does not know which antibody to use, so it has to use best guesses and adapt intelligently.

This is the only point I have ever made, and it is 100% correct - read the medical journals.

And this is what Battyboob said.

I was 100% correct. There is a gap in our immune system - it does not know which of the many many different types of antibodies to replicate in order to fight a novel virus. End of. There is no inherent immunity (also 100% correct), and there is no ready vaccine (also 100% correct). This virus is novel. It won't be as time goes by, but it is now.

[nidhogg]

There are many different types of antibodies, but there are not antibodies to fit every unknown virus, such as Covid-19. Thus in this case the body simply doesn't know what antibody to make, so it just tries different types until something works (or doesn't). The antibodies work by binding to the virus, often called lock and ket (as I mentioned before several times.

This is just quite simply NOT how the adaptive immune system works. Period.

[Seekingasylum]

Ahh, Norton, that'll be the queue for the queue.

Nice social distancing there, any closer and they'll have to get engaged.

Most of course are travellers stranded but it is too difficult for the Thai to stream them in advance, devise a policy and invite them to attend on different days according to where there family name appears in the alphabet. This policy could of course be distributed around the international legations, embassies, consulates etc through the MFA and cascaded to the people via their embassy websites as information advisories.

Not the Thai way, though - chaos, crowding, incoherence, two false starts and then finally an agreed procedure.

[Bettyboo]

This is just quite simply NOT how the adaptive immune system works. Period.

Tell that to Medical News Today... It's from their article.

There's also a lower layer to this regarding how proteins are made which I haven't gone into because it becomes very complex very quickly, but it's important because the body has a huge amount of options of what antibodies to make at any given time, but it only steps up that process (in a massive way) if the immune system decides a particular antibody is effective. That's why the initial tagging of a specific antibody to a specific virus is so vital. There are 10 billion or so different antibodies, in the medical case I highlighted above, 5 of those were deemed to be effective.

Interestingly, you don't seem to have made any comments upon the medical articles I highlighted...

[Norton]

travellers stranded

They are indeed. Bloody mess and you are right. Many ways to prevent it. Simplest way would be give folks immunity from overstay penalties.

[Seekingasylum]

I was 100% correct. There is a gap in ur immune system - it does not know which of the many many different types of antibodies to replicate in order to fight a novel virus. End of. There is no inherent immunity (also 100% correct), and there is no ready vaccine (also 100% correct). This virus is novel. It won't be as time goes by, but it is now.

You are talking drivel. Period. Enough already. If there is a gap it's in your fucking cerebral cortex.

[Bettyboo]

You are talking drivel. Period. Enough already. If there is a gap it's in your fucking cerebral cortex.

You have made zero comments on the medical journals that detailed the situation.

You are a fraud and a liar. You read wiki, you find some words, use them as if you know what they mean then shout abuse at others. You never read expert opinions or make informed comments, you are an opinionated troll.

I have not offered any opinion on this issue because I don't know. Hence, I have read up and found answers which have been shared.

I'm still waiting for you fellas to explain why things like this happen (because with your versions of the immune system it would not be possible for this to happen):



Immune systems adapt over time to known threats. Unknown threats, never seen before threats, are big problems for our immune system. Is as simple as that.

[harrybarracuda]

Boo are you baldy orange cunto in disguise? Are you under the impression that if you keep repeating the same bollocks over and over, we will have no choice to believe it?

Seriously mate, move on FFS.

[Bettyboo]

Boo are you baldy orange cunto in disguise? Are you under the impression that if you keep repeating the same bollocks over and over, we will have no choice to believe it?

Seriously mate, move on FFS.

Detailed in the last 3 medical articles - refuse to read them if it pleases you... I watched a program with medical professionals the other day, they said exactly the same thing. I really can't understand how this simple point, made repeatedly by medical professionals, is beyond comprehension of some.

Why did the native American people die off from viruses that don't affect us?

[nidhogg]

Tell that to Medical News Today... It's from their article.

There's also a lower layer to this regarding how proteins are made which I haven't gone into because it becomes very complex very quickly, but it's important because the body has a huge amount of options of what antibodies to make at any given time, but it only steps up that process (in a massive way) if the immune system decides a particular antibody is effective. That's why the initial tagging of a specific antibody to a specific virus is so vital. There are 10 billion or so different antibodies, in the medical case I highlighted above, 5 of those were deemed to be effective.

Interestingly, you don't seem to have made any comments upon the medical articles I highlighted...

YOU cherry pick things that you *think* support your position, but the simple fact is, they just show how little you understand it.

[Seekingasylum]

Tell that to Medical News Today... It's from their article.


Interestingly, you don't seem to have made any comments upon the medical articles I highlighted...

MNT is the construct of a marketing PR guy focusing on medical matters.

He ain't a fucking research authority writing a paper in the Mayo or The Lancet.

Besides your comprehension of what constitutes a medical article is as valid as a parakeet's opinion on quantum string theory.

[harrybarracuda]

This is a bit fucking late, and to be honest if they have been lying in the last week (and they probably have) they aren't going to fess up are they?

Chinese premier Li Keqiang has warned local governments not to cover up new cases of Covid-19, as low daily rates of infection prompted the relaxing of travel restrictions in Hubei province, where the pandemic started.
Li’s comments came as analysts questioned the veracity of China’s claims that the nation has had several days with no new domestic cases.
Speaking to a meeting of the central leading group responding to the outbreak on Monday, Li urged officials to report honestly on the number of cases, and “not cover up reports for the sake of keeping new case numbers at zero”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/chinas-premier-warns-local-officials-not-to-cover-up-new-covid-19-cases-as-hubei-reopens?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Post_on_Reddit

[harrybarracuda]

YOU cherry pick things that you *think* support your position, but the simple fact is, they just show how little you understand it.

"I see stupid people. They don't know they're stupid"

[harrybarracuda]

There's a moral dilemma.

Privacy or death?

Less than a week after launching an app to track potential exposure to the coronavirus, Singapore is making the technology freely available to developers worldwide.

The city-state rolled out an app called TraceTogether on March 20 and described it as a supplementary tool for its contact tracing efforts that relied on the recall and memory of infected individuals.

How the app works

Phones that have the app installed exchange short-distance Bluetooth signals when their users are near one another. Records of those encounters, including the duration, are stored in their respective phones for 21 days, according to the app’s frequently asked questions section. It added that location data is not collected.


If a user is diagnosed with COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the coronavirus, they could allow Singapore’s health ministry to access their app data to identify people who had close contact with the infected individual.

To be clear, Singapore says that when a person is contacted, they are required by law to assist the health ministry in accurately mapping out their movements and interactions to minimize the risk of widespread infection. That includes providing location timelines and physical or digital logs that may be collected by apps.

Coronavirus: Singapore to make contact tracing tech open source

[OhOh]

Many ways to prevent it. Simplest way would be give folks immunity from overstay penalties.

A sane post at last.

Your's or an "acquaintance's" view?

[Latindancer]

Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice 

Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice  – The Shovel

[nidhogg]

Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice 


Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice  – The Shovel

Boo in a nutshell.

[harrybarracuda]

Markets have responded positively apparently.

The White House and congressional leaders from both parties reached a $2 trillion stimulus deal early Wednesday that will include direct payments to most Americans and an unprecedented amount of money to small businesses that have been pushed to the brink amid the coronavirus pandemic.
“Ladies and gentlemen, we are done. We have a deal,” White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland told reporters around 1 a.m.
Later, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters: "We have bipartisan agreement on the largest rescue package in history."
The unprecedented economic relief bill would give direct payments to most Americans, expand unemployment benefits and provide a $367 billion program for small businesses to keep making payroll while workers are forced to stay home.
Full details of the stimulus bill are expected later Wednesday.

Coronavirus updates: Stimulus deal is 'done'; US deaths, cases; stocks

[harrybarracuda]

A fucking retard who did this "coronavirus challenge" is now crying because he's got it.

They should euthanise these fuckers really.

American 'scum' who licked toilet bowl cries in hospital after getting coronavirus - Mirror Online

[harrybarracuda]

And another one from the shallow end of the gene pool.

A man who filmed himself licking items on a supermarket shelf and asking "who's afraid of coronavirus?" has been arrested on terror charges.
Police in Warrenton, Virginia, US, arrested a man after the horrifying clip was spread around the globe.


Suspect Cody Pfister, 26, has been charged with making a terrorist threat following the incident in a Walmart store.

Coronavirus: Man who licked goods on supermarket shelf arrested on terror charge - Mirror Online

[Latindancer]

I wonder how many of those Iranian guys who licked mosque gates came down with it ?

[harrybarracuda]

I wonder what Prince Charles has been licking?

Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19 | UK News | Sky News

[marcusb]

Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice 


Australia’s 1.2 Million Epidemiologists Take To Social Media To Provide Valuable Expert Advice  – The Shovel

How does a country with only 24.6 million people have that many epidemiologists?

[harrybarracuda]

How does a country with only 24.6 million people have that many epidemiologists?

I think the clue is in

Epidemiologist Lisa Harrington, who also works as a sales assistant at a juice bar

[Norton]

A sane post at last.

Your's or an "acquaintance's" view?

Not sure this a snide put down or a compliment. Either way all good.