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    London Lockdown imminent?

    The last time it was that empty was the opening scenes of "28 Days Later"....

    Transport for London will run a reduced service in the capital designed to allow critical workers to make essential journeys as the capital seeks to respond to the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus.

    From Friday there will be no Waterloo & City line, while the Night Tube will not run until further notice.


    And from Thursday, up to 40 London Underground stations that do not interchange with other lines will be closed until further notice.

    London buses will operate fewer services, but still run at night, and everyone will be urged not to use public transport for anything other than essential journeys.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-tfl-update-latest-london-underground-night-tube-lockdown-travel-a9410351.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Didn't China expel all Foreign press just a few days back? For fucking certain I would not be believing one word their own press might release about how many have died (for fear of being shot thru the head if it makes China look bad).
    Yeah, that's right - the Chinese figures will be heavily massaged. But, Korea had a terrible start, a month before Europe was much affected, took completely different approaches, and is now looking ok - it may start up again, nobody knows, but remember a few weeks ago before Italy even had 100 cases, Korea was in the thousands and climbing very quickly. Why didn't Europe learn from Korea. Also, the Chinese obviously lie non-stop and just aren't credible, but they did stuff, they built a hospital very quickly for all the extra beds that were needed (probably not a long term hospital, butt the fix that was required). Korea too has been having masks and gels and communication about individual cases and loads more stuff going on.

    I agree about the timing, Korea was in the school holidays which must have helped, but Europe was really slow to ramp up their reply. The position they are in now, the stuff they've been announcing and doing over the last week or so should have been done 4-6 weeks ago. The US looks to be in an even worse state.

    Hopefully, things don't get out of hand in Europe, but the slow response from the WTO and European politicians is dire - you can see their attitude by the fact so many politicians have the virus; they didn't take it seriously quickly enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Testing more people?
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As opposed to quietly cremating them.
    I'm not sure that they're testing more people, but there's certainly more transparency - nobody would be surprised if the Chinese infected were 400,000 instead of 83000.

    But, I say this with some authority as I've been correct at every turn on this thread from the very start... , the European reactions have been 4-6 weeks too late. &, it's for the same reason as the WTO have been 2 months too late: politics. They have all been worrying about the economy, so not stopping travel as much as they should, trying not to affect business and the economy too much, which usually is spot on but in this case it was always gonna have such a massive impact (yes, even more than the annual flu...) that health concerns had to be foregrounded. European governments had two months + of watching China, Japan and Korea deal with this. & it looks like Chine, Japan and Korea will be economically back on their feet quite quickly while Europe and the US are gonna suffer much more; bad governance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Yeah, that's right - the Chinese figures will be heavily massaged. But, Korea had a terrible start, a month before Europe was much affected, took completely different approaches, and is now looking ok - it may start up again, nobody knows, but remember a few weeks ago before Italy even had 100 cases, Korea was in the thousands and climbing very quickly. Why didn't Europe learn from Korea. Also, the Chinese obviously lie non-stop and just aren't credible, but they did stuff, they built a hospital very quickly for all the extra beds that were needed (probably not a long term hospital, butt the fix that was required). Korea too has been having masks and gels and communication about individual cases and loads more stuff going on.

    I agree about the timing, Korea was in the school holidays which must have helped, but Europe was really slow to ramp up their reply. The position they are in now, the stuff they've been announcing and doing over the last week or so should have been done 4-6 weeks ago. The US looks to be in an even worse state.

    Hopefully, things don't get out of hand in Europe, but the slow response from the WTO and European politicians is dire - you can see their attitude by the fact so many politicians have the virus; they didn't take it seriously quickly enough.
    There are cultural differences to deal with. Remember Europe is not one big country no matter what the egomaniacs that run it think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There are cultural differences to deal with. Remember Europe is not one big country no matter what the egomaniacs that run it think.
    Yes, that's true too.

    China is very difficult to manage and large, but the insane and corrupt Communist state is able to manage this situation quite well. The EU is different. But, look at the UK v Korea (Or Japan), they are quite similar in many ways, and there's no reason why the UK should be hit worse by this virus than Japan/Korea (hopefully it won't be).

    The cultural element is also true. Westerners are so proud of their individuality and rights that they're not very good at behaving in a socially responsible manner. Obviously, I chat with the parents and brother in the UK, and the average Brit seems to be behaving pretty stupidly compared to those robotic and boring Korean/Japanese.

    Europe, a borderless mainland Europe, with all the levels of administration and cross-administration is a f'kin nightmare, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    This means when it comes to cures for COVID-19, while scientists can draw on what we know about other viruses, in many ways they're starting from scratch.
    Wouldn't surprise me if pharmaceutical company's develop these new viruses for profit. There's currently only one medication that's been shown to work and that's 'Favilavir' and where's it manufactured? China. Strange that.



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    South Korea was better prepared for Healthcare, their booming economy made that possible

    while in Europe, facing wages pressure, budget cut, negative growth rates for industries because of outsourcing, hospital and healthcare funding were cut by 50% over the last 20 years

    making most developed countries in Europe completely unprepared for such a tsunami,

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    interesting, maybe SK will go for a second round after all, despite all their effort

    Coronavirus: Asian nations face second wave of imported cases - BBC News

    South Korea, China and Singapore are among the Asian countries facing a second coronavirus wave, spurred by people importing it from outside.

    China, where the virus first emerged, confirmed it had no new domestic cases on Wednesday, for the first time since the outbreak began, a major milestone.

    But it reported 34 new cases among people recently returned to China.

    Singapore also reported 47 new cases, of which 33 were imported - 30 of them returned Singapore residents.

    South Korea saw a jump in new cases on Thursday with 152, though it is not clear how many were imported.

    A new cluster there is centred on a nursing home in Daegu, where 74 patients have tested positive.

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    'Escape from New York': New Zealanders face chaos and cost in bid to return home


    After the call went out for citizens to return, New Zealanders have encountered angry airport scenes, high prices and visa dilemmas

    'Escape from New York': New Zealanders face chaos and cost in bid to return home | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Europe, a borderless mainland Europe, with all the levels of administration and cross-administration is a f'kin nightmare, no doubt.
    What is this 'cross administration' exactly?

    French hospitals administered by Germans?

    The Italian transport system managed by the Spanish?

    Where are these borderless areas, and how do people know what nationality they are?


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    It’s official: Europe’s virus deaths have exceeded Asia toll

    The European Union sealed off its borders Wednesday (18 March) to try to put the brakes on the ferocious spread of the coronavirus pandemic, as the number of deaths on the continent soared past the toll in Asia.

    Millions of people are on strict lockdown in Europe, now the epicentre of COVID-19 with more than 3,400 deaths now recorded, according to an AFP tally.

    The United States and Britain led a multi-billion-dollar global fightback against the economic havoc unleashed by COVID-19 but financial markets were unimpressed, with Asian and European stocks plunging further.

    from outside for 30 days to stem the pandemic’s ferocious spread.

    Governments across the world have imposed draconian measures to try to slow the pace of infections, confining people to their homes, closing shops, restaurants and schools, dramatically changing life as we know it.

    The coronavirus outbreak, which first emerged in China late last year, has quickly marched across the globe, infecting nearly 200,000 people and killing almost 7,900.

    Europe has now recorded 3,421 deaths — including 2,503 in Italy — leapfrogging Asia with 3,384, according to an AFP tally at 1100 GMT.

    As the spectre of a deep global recession looms large, London and Washington Tuesday announced massive economic stimulus packages after coming under fire over their response to the crisis.

    US President Donald Trump said the White House was discussing a “substantial” spending bill with Congress that would include immediate cash payments to Americans.

    Officials did not give hard numbers but The Washington Post reported the amount could reach $850 billion, with a chunk destined for airlines fearing ruin.

    “We’re going big,” Trump told reporters.

    British finance minister Rishi Sunak unveiled an “unprecedented package” of government-backed loans worth 330 billion pounds ($400 billion) for businesses struggling in the sudden economic paralysis caused by mass self-quarantine.

    Similar measures have been introduced by France and Germany, the two leading members of the 27-member European Union.

    EU leaders decided Tuesday to impose an entry ban on travellers from outside the bloc for 30 days, the most significant emergency measure from Brussels, which has struggled to develop a unified response.

    EU Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen told Germany’s Bild newspaper that politicians had initially underestimated the virus threat.

    It’s official: Europe’s virus deaths have exceeded Asia toll – EURACTIV.com

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    Is it all true about the EU troubles? Who can believe it...

    Russia deploying coronavirus disinformation to sow panic in West, EU document says

    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Russian media have deployed a “significant disinformation campaign” against the West to worsen the impact of the coronavirus, generate panic and sow distrust, according to a European Union document seen by Reuters.

    The Kremlin denied the allegations on Wednesday, saying they were unfounded and lacked common sense.

    The EU document said the Russian campaign, pushing fake news online in English, Spanish, Italian, German and French, uses contradictory, confusing and malicious reports to make it harder for the EU to communicate its response to the pandemic.

    “A significant disinformation campaign by Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets regarding COVID-19 is ongoing,” said the nine-page internal document, dated March 16, using the name of the disease that can be caused by the coronavirus.

    “The overarching aim of Kremlin disinformation is to aggravate the public health crisis in Western countries...in line with the Kremlin’s broader strategy of attempting to subvert European societies,” the document produced by the EU’s foreign policy arm, the European External Action Service, said.

    An EU database has recorded almost 80 cases of disinformation about coronavirus since Jan. 22, it said, noting Russian efforts to amplify Iranian accusations online, cited without evidence, that coronavirus was a U.S. biological weapon.

    Most scientists believe the disease originated in bats in China before passing to humans.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov pointed to what he said was the lack in the EU document of a specific example or link to a specific media outlet.

    “We’re talking again about some unfounded allegations which in the current situation are probably the result of an anti-Russian obsession,” said Peskov.

    The EU document cited examples from Lithuania to Ukraine, including false claims that a U.S. soldier deployed to Lithuania was infected and hospitalized. It said that on social media, Russian state-funded, Spanish-language RT Spanish was the 12th most popular news source on coronavirus between January and mid-March, based on the amount of news shared on social media.

    The EEAS declined to comment directly on the report.

    The European Commission said it was in contact with Google (GOOGL.O), Facebook (FB.O), Twitter (TWTR.N) and Microsoft (MSFT.O). An EU spokesman accused Moscow of “playing with people’s lives” and appealed to EU citizens to “be very careful” and only use news sources they trust.

    Russia deploying coronavirus disinformation to sow panic in West, EU document says - Reuters

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    BANGKOK (REUTERS) - Thailand recorded 60 new coronavirus cases in the biggest daily jump in the number of cases so far, taking its total infections to 272, a health official said on Thursday (March 19).
    Thursday's cases fall into two groups: the first consists of 43 cases linked to earlier cases, while the second group involves 17 new patients including arrivals from countries such as Italy, Malaysia, Japan, Iran and Taiwan, said Suwannachai Wattanayingcharoenchai, director-general of the Department of Disease Control at the Ministry of Health.
    Thailand has recorded one death since the outbreak, with 42 patients having recovered and gone home and 229 still being treated in hospital.

    In biggest daily jump, Thailand reports 60 new coronavirus cases, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The coronavirus outbreak, which first emerged in China late last year, has quickly marched across the globe, infecting nearly 200,000 people and killing almost 7,900.
    and Russia must have been lucky to the extreme only having had 147 cases

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    The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand now requires air passengers, Thai and foreign, travelling from 15 countries to show Covid-19-free health certificates and Covid-19 insurance before boarding their flights to Thailand.
    This clarifies earlier reports that all passengers boarding at all points would have to present the documents.
    CAAT governor Chula Sukmanop announced the condition, and other requirements, on Wednesday as part of government efforts to contain novel coronavirus disease (Covid-19). The requirements were set to take effect on Saturday.
    He said arriving passengers who were in China, Hong Kong, Iran, Italy, Macau or South Korea in the past 14 days will be quarantined. These areas were defined as disease infected zones.
    Mr Chula said that when passengers check in, airlines must check whether they had visited Covid-19 epidemic areas in the previous 14 days.
    Airlines must require passengers from those infected zones and 11 ongoing local transmission areas to present health certificates issued no more than 72 hours before the flight departs. The certificates must guarantee that the passengers are free of Covid-19.
    The 11 ongoing local transmission areas are Britain, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan (specific cities), Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States. The Japanese cities are Aichi, Chiba, Hokkaido, Karagawa, Kyoto, Okinawa, Osaka, Tokyo and Wakayama.
    Airlines must also require that passengers from these places to have insurance covering Covid-19 treatment in Thailand, up to at least US$100,000.
    Passengers who fail to present the required documents must not be allowed to board their flight to Thailand.
    Those who comply and are allowed to board must provide the address of their accommodation in Thailand, either by written forms or by AOT mobile phone app.
    CAAT also requires airlines to seat passengers as far as possible from each other, and to disinfect their planes - among other preventive measures.
    Mr Chula said Thai disease control officials were authorised to isolate aircraft and quarantine passengers.
    Airlines that fail to comply must pay for the subsequent transport, quarantine and treatment of passengers, and the cost of related cases of disease control.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882185/travellers-from-15-countries-must-have-covid-free-certificates

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    Thai Travelers Who Visited Laos Likely Carried COVID-19 Across the Mekong

    As Vietnam and Cambodia reported increases in the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases, authorities in Thailand warned their Lao neighbors that a group of Thai nationals that recently visited Laos on a day trip had tested positive for the coronavirus.


    Since the initial outbreak of coronavirus epidemic, countries in Southeast Asia, while not able to completely prevent the spread of the virus into the region, they have not reported large numbers of cases.


    While confirmed cases number in the thousands in countries like South Korea and the United States, and in the tens of thousands in places like Italy, countries in the Mekong region are still reporting confirmed cases in the low double-digits, with Laos yet to report even a single confirmed case.


    But the Thai consulate in Laos’ Savannakhet warned that a group of five Thais that tested positive for COVID-19 visited two restaurants in Laos’ Khammouane province last week. The estimated 14-day incubation period for the coronavirus suggests that the group likely were carrying the virus at the time.


    An employee of the Thai consulate in Savannakhet told RFA’s Lao Service Tuesday, “A notice that included all the details about their activities was issued by our office and sent to the Lao foreign affairs department in Khammouane.”


    According to that notice, the five crossed the Third Lao-Thai Mekong Friendship Bridge from Thailand’s Nakhon Phanom province into Laos’ Khammouane province on March 12. There, they visited the Chansathid and Phonethep restaurants in Thakhek city and returned to Thailand the same day.


    The notice said that the five reported they had been in close contact with employees who had served them at both restaurants.


    An official of the Khammouane foreign affairs department confirmed to RFA that they received the notice and that the department began an investigation.


    A Khammouane health official also told RFA Tuesday that authorities had inspected and collected information from the two restaurants that morning, but the results of their investigation was not yet available.


    “It’s a step-by-step process and it might take a while,” said the health official.


    “We don’t have any information yet as to whether the restaurants have been sterilized or if any other actions have been taken, but generally people who are suspected cases must be quarantined or closely monitored,” the official added.


    “If the suspected cases are more serious, we must send their samples to a lab [for analysis],” the official said.


    Dr. Rattanaxay Phetsouvanh, director of the Lao Communicative Disease Department told local media at about 5:00 p.m. Lao time that relevant authorities completed their investigation, finding that only two Thais, not the five as stated by the Thai consulate, had traveled to Thakhek that day.


    Several days before venturing to Laos those two were among 11 who tested positive after they were spectators at a boxing competition in Bangkok where a confirmed case was present.


    Prior to testing positive nine of the 11 had been in self-quarantine, but the other two traveled to Laos on March 12.


    It was not immediately clear why there was a discrepancy between the Thai consulate’s notice and the Lao authorities’ investigation.


    Meanwhile at Laos’ border with China, border checkpoints reported being dangerously low on supplies needed to prevent the virus’ spread.


    A guard at the Laos-China Boten border gate told RFA Tuesday, “We’re running out of masks and hand sanitizer because we have been distributing them to the more than 1,000 Chinese and Vietnamese that cross the border each day.”


    The guard added that the Boten checkpoint had only one temperature scanner.





    Vietnam’s cases rise to 66


    Meanwhile in Vietnam, authorities reported that the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases had increased to 66 as of Tuesday, including five new cases of people carrying the virus as they returned home from foreign countries.


    The country’s initial 16 cases had all been cured by late February, but by early March the 17th case was reported as patient zero in an outbreak centered on Hanoi and the 34th case was believed to be the first new case unrelated to the Hanoi outbreak.


    But with the revelation that infected people are still getting into the country from abroad, Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc announced at a press conference that Hanoi will temporarily suspend the issuing of new visas to all countries worldwide for a period of 15 to 30 days starting Wednesday.


    The Vietnamese government additionally said that all nationals of ASEAN countries, who do not require travel visas to enter Vietnam, or anyone who transits in ASEAN countries, would face a 14-day quarantine upon arrival.




    Trade minister wants China to reopen border


    Despite the ongoing coronavirus fears, Vietnam’s Trade Minster Tran Tuan Anh asked China to reopen more border gates between the two countries as well as reestablish rail links in order to facilitate an economic recovery.


    Economist Ngo Tri Long told RFA Monday that the minister’s request makes economic sense, because there has been a backup of Vietnamese farm products at the border. But he acknowledged that both Vietnam and China should make sure that trading is done in a safe manner to prevent the further spread of COVID-19 in both countries.


    Another economist, Nguyen Dinh Ngoc, told RFA he disagreed with the trade minister’s request, saying that any gains made by facilitating trade between Vietnam and China right now are not worth the potential devastation that would be unleashed if COVID-19 were to spread further because of it.


    A third economist, Nguyen Tri Hieu, told RFA that Vietnam should instead diversify its export markets instead of relying only on China to buy its agricultural goods.




    The Malaysian mosque


    The Ho Chi Minh City Disease Control Center (HCDC) Tuesday announced an urgent advisory for those who had attended a large Muslim rally near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia between Feb. 27 and March 1, because many Malaysians in attendance later tested positive for COVID-19.


    Reuters reported Wednesday afternoon Malaysia time that nearly two-thirds of Malaysia’s 673 confirmed coronavirus cases were connected to the event at the Sri Petaling mosque. Since that report, Malaysia’s confirmed cases have increased to 790.


    The international event drew about 16,000 people including 1,500 Muslims from around the world. Several worshipers returning to their home countries from the rally likely carried the virus with them.


    Vietnam’s 61st patient had also participated in the event and is currently being treated in Ninh Thuan hospital.


    The HCDC is asking those who participated in the event to contact their local health clinic or the hotline of Vietnam’s health ministry for further guidance.





    Cambodian cases climb to 33


    Cambodia’s Ministry of Health said in a statement that as of Tuesday, the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases had increased to 33, many of whom are Cham Muslims who had attended the same Muslim rally in Malaysia.


    According to the Cambodian health ministry’s statement, 19 out of 79 Cambodian Muslims who went to the rally have so far tested positive for COVID-19, but that number is expected to climb as the testing facility was still receiving samples.


    Brunei additionally confirmed Tuesday that two of its confirmed COVID-19 cases were people who had been to the Malaysian religious event.


    A senior government official in charge of Islamic affairs in Cambodia warned that many of the people who attended the event had been going about their daily lives since returning to Cambodia, unaware that they risked spreading the virus to others.


    The Cambodian government has introduced a series of measures to combat COVID-19 following the discovery of several new cases in the country.


    These include the closure of public and private schools nationwide, the closure of karaoke bars and movie theaters, and the suspension of visas for travelers from five countries in Europe and the United States.


    At the same time, several government ministries and institutions have cancelled and delayed meetings, with some officials required to work from their homes.


    Prime Minister Hun Sen Tuesday also ordered the suspension of all religious gatherings until the situation improves.

    Thai Travelers Who Visited Laos Likely Carried COVID-19 Across the Mekong

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    San Francisco is going the way of Italy with its coronavirus safety measures -- the Mayor's instituting around-the-clock curfew, banning almost everyone from leaving their homes.
    Mayor London Breed announced what she calls a "defining moment" in U.S. response to the pandemic. Beginning at 12 AM, all residents within the city can only leave home for doctor's appointments or runs to the grocery store.
    It's the strictest new policy enacted in the nation, and matches the current rules in Italy ... which has been the 2nd hardest-hit country in the world.
    The Mayor says the rule will remain in effect for at least the next 3 weeks.
    In addition, to the city shut down, 6 Bay Area counties are telling residents to "shelter in place." That means ... unless your work falls under the list of "essential businesses," you've been ordered to stay home.
    That list of essential businesses includes health care operations, grocery stores, shelters, media outlets, gas stations and banks. Restaurants can remain open, but only for takeout and delivery.

    https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/16/san-francisco-coronavirus-lockdown-curfew-three-weeks/?fbclid=IwAR13Ew1qKIGuhOmsWu4MGi-WwwnVP--5DjggkGsJlXky6Amqmmb31xzLnMw

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    What is this 'cross administration' exactly?

    French hospitals administered by Germans?

    The Italian transport system managed by the Spanish?

    Where are these borderless areas, and how do people know what nationality they are?

    Well the EU has borderless people movement, as I'm sure you know... That's a big land mass that has large people movement, like China and the USA, unlike Britain and Japan.

    Federal systems have 'cross-administration', ask any American on the board, they will tell you about state vs federal. To some degree, federal Europe is similar, however as it has had far less time to integrate than the US and neither does it have the foundational agreements that the US has (some rather famous documents, you might have heard of), instead it has disparate countries with disparate systems (such as healthcare systems) with federal rules and restrictions as well as their own national - it's a complex situation, and we can see by the poor efforts by EU countries how they are struggling.

    Here's a good document and a snippet from it: eu federal health



    If you want to better understand the EU and their role in European healthcare governance, the WHO have written a document for you: WHO/Europe | Ch01 Health systems governance in Europe: the role of European Union law and policy

    & here's a view from your very favourite newspaper:



    You may want to educate yourself instead of making childish sarcasms...


    Federal systems across large geographical areas obviously have more issues to deal with and more layers of administration and more disparate issues than smaller countries. As 'Arry correctly pointed out, China is somewhat different due to their Communist Party system.
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    New Zealand will shut its borders to all foreigners in about 30 mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    interesting, maybe SK will go for a second round after all, despite all their effort

    Coronavirus: Asian nations face second wave of imported cases - BBC News

    South Korea, China and Singapore are among the Asian countries facing a second coronavirus wave, spurred by people importing it from outside.

    China, where the virus first emerged, confirmed it had no new domestic cases on Wednesday, for the first time since the outbreak began, a major milestone.

    But it reported 34 new cases among people recently returned to China.

    Singapore also reported 47 new cases, of which 33 were imported - 30 of them returned Singapore residents.

    South Korea saw a jump in new cases on Thursday with 152, though it is not clear how many were imported.

    A new cluster there is centred on a nursing home in Daegu, where 74 patients have tested positive.
    Your final sentence, the Daegu church which has 5000+ cases is almost certainly the source of that outbreak at the nursing home, sadly.

    It's clear that without extreme travel restrictions, testing at airports, etc, that even if a country can get itself into shape (that's a big if), a second imported wave is likely... Korea tests everybody at the airport immigration pretty thoroughly, but we know that's far from 100% perfect. But, lots of 75% effective measures at least help to slow down the spread the virus and keep it manageable.

    It looks pretty clear that the US and Europe are gonna be completely out of control by the end of next week. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Your final sentence, the Daegu church which has 5000+ cases is almost certainly the source of that outbreak at the nursing home, sadly.

    It's clear that without extreme travel restrictions, testing at airports, etc, that even if a country can get itself into shape (that's a big if), a second imported wave is likely... Korea tests everybody at the airport immigration pretty thoroughly, but we know that's far from 100% perfect. But, lots of 75% effective measures at least help to slow down the spread the virus and keep it manageable.

    It looks pretty clear that the US and Europe are gonna be completely out of control by the end of next week. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
    'Testing' at airports is utterly pointless considering infected people can be asymptomatic and infectious for up to 5 days. 'Testing' at airports is not testing. They just take peoples temperature. I'm 'tested' everytime I go to the supermarket and come home.

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    First I've seen of this.

    Amid the rapid spread of coronavirus cases around the globe, researchers have found that diarrhea was a prominent symptom among up to half of patients with Covid-19 during the outbreak in Wuhan, China.


    The study, published in The American Journal of Gastroenterology, conducted by the researchers from the Wuhan Medical Treatment Expert Group for Covid-19.

    According to the researchers, nearly half of Covid-19 patients enrolled in the study conducted in the Hubei province of China presented digestive symptoms, such as diarrhea and anorexia, and cited it as their chief complaint.


    "Doctors should recognise that digestive symptoms, such as diarrhea, may be a presenting feature of Covid-19, and that the index of suspicion may need to be raised earlier in at-risk patients presenting with digestive symptoms rather than waiting for respiratory symptoms to emerge," the researchers said.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-prominent-among-covid-19-patients-finds-study-1657402-2020-03-19

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