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    Oh and Hong Kong as well as China was another restricted Country that carries a 2 week ban from her school.

    Bet its empty in that school today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    The strange thing is, at my daughter's school... in Thailand... it's only the teachers and kids with a five day break over Chinese New Year.

    There was no Thai public holidays so the parents continued working, and their kids generally stayed at home
    Hmmm. I always found at my daughters old school in Thailand that when there were school hols, most places, ie pubs with playareas outside were empty as though they'd all gone away somewhere and she had no one to play with until the weekends. It ruined my drinking sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I find this bit rather worrying:



    Particularly the bit on the right in relation to the bit on the left...
    If those are real figures 60% survival rate could be argued as pretty good considering some were speculating on this being Nature's effort to control its population. Sure it would be better if this thing didn't exist/wasn't released, but with 220k extra daily mouths to feed a few dozen removed does little damage.

    Would be interesting to know at what stage (say 1-5) the survivors were identified as carriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    I cannot believe the Thai have not taken the decision to close the borders to inbound Chinese from mainland China, Hong Kong and Macao.
    With the highest victim rate outside of China, the only guesses I could hazard are money, and keeping their soul mates sweet, for money.

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    ^ of course. All the big money in Bangkok is Chinese and a little virus aint stopping their business trips.

    Apparently there are 9 million Chinese in Thailand, the biggest population of the virus carrying fukkers anywhere in S E Asia...

    CHINESE IN THAILAND

    Thailand had the largest Chinese population in Southeast Asia. Ethnic Chinese make up 10 to 14 percent of the population of Thailand, or around than 6 million to 9 million people (the range in numbers has to do with how mixed-blood Thai Chinese are counted). They are largely assimilated and many have intermarried with Thais. Many Chinese became Thai after a few generations. Many recognize their Chinese heritage but no longer identify with the Chinese ethnic group. An estimated 80 percent of Chinese Thais speak Thai at home. Thais intermarry with the Chinese more than the Malaysians do.

    Most are second or third generation Hokkein (Hakka), Tae Liu (Chao Zhou. Chiu Chao), or Cantonese. In the north there is also a sigificant number of Hui—Chinese Muslims who emigrated to northern Thailand in the late 19th century to avoid persecution in China. Teochew, the Southern Min dialect of Chaozhou, has traditionally been the primary dialect of the overseas Chinese communities in Thailand whereas Hokkein, the Southern Min dialect of Fujian, has traditionally been the primary dialect of many Overseas Chinese communities in Malaysia, Singapore Indonesia, and the Philippines.

    The Chinese in Thailand arguably get along better with the majority population than in any other country in Southeast Asia. This is due in part to historical reasons and partly to Thai tolerance of foreigners. In the old days wealthy Chinese offered their daughters to royal court as wives and consorts in an effort to establish royal connections.

    People interested in the lives of Chinese and Sino-Thai peoples in Thailand are referred to the work of Anne Maxwell Hill (1988) and William Skinner (1957).


    Early History of Chinese in Thailand
    Trade between Siam and China existed from an early period. Rhinoceros horn, kingfisher feathers and ivory were among the items sought by the Chinese. The famous 15th-century explorer-eunuch, Zheng Ho, commented that when he arrived in Siam there were many Chinese who lived there because the women were easy to get. He also commented on the large number of monks and the fact that women seem to run everything.

    By the time the Europeans arrived in what is now Thailand, Thai harbors were filled Chinese junks and Thai ports were home to Chinese that spoke a number of dialects. Siam was a major destination for Chinese exports and was a major transshipment center for goods to other places and islands in Asia and Oceania. Bangkok was a Chinese trading post before it was an important Thai city. King Ram I was married to the daughter of a rich Chinese merchant.

    By the 19th century, the Chinese were an important segment of Thai society. They ran much of the economy and controlled trade and in many ways were Thailand's window to the outside world. In both Thailand and China their money help strengthen the economy and finance the construction of many temples and buildings. Many of the hardworking and enterprising Chinese in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam are from the southern Chinese province of Fujian. In Thailand many are also from Chaozhou area of Guangdong Province.

    The accommodation between Thai and Chinese historically depended in part on the changing economic and political interests and perspectives of the Thai monarchs and others in the ruling group. Also relevant were the roles assigned to the Chinese at various times, e.g., in the nineteenth century, that of tax farmers. Under the tax farming system, private individuals were sold the right to collect taxes at a price below the actual value of the taxes. The barriers between Thai and Chinese became more rigid in the early twentieth century with the emergence of Thai and Chinese nationalism and also the increased tendency of Chinese females to accompany male immigrants, which reduced the amount of intermarriage. Consequently, despite a level of Chinese integration in the host society surpassing that found elsewhere in Southeast Asia, the Chinese remained a separate ethnic community, although the boundaries became less defined in the more mobile post-World War II society. The Chinese spoke a number of southern Chinese dialects, the most important being Teochiu, which was used by most Chinese as a commercial lingua franca.

    By 1910 nearly 10 percent of Thailand's population was Chinese. Whereas earlier immigrants had intermarried with the Thai, the new arrivals frequently came with families and resisted assimilation into Thai society. Chinese nationalism, encouraged by Sun Yat-sen, the leader of the Chinese revolution, had also begun to develop, parallel with Thai nationalism. The Chinese community even supported a separate school system for its children. Legislation in 1909 requiring adoption of surnames was in large part directed against the Chinese community, whose members would be faced with the choice of forsaking their Chinese identity or accepting the status of foreigners. Many of them made the accommodation and opted to become Thai--if in name only. Those who did not became even more alienated from the rest of Thai society.


    Rise of Anti-Chinese Sentiments
    After Imperial China collapsed in the early 20th century, Chinese in Thailand were discriminated against. Their schools were closed down and they were barred from certain jobs and business. The Thai King wrote a tract called the Chinese the “Jews of the East." Some of this was based on prejudice and ignorance. Some was based on worries that Chinese revolutionary politics might spill into Thailand.

    Thai nationalist attitudes at all levels of society under Rama VI were colored by anti-Chinese sentiment. For centuries members of the Chinese community had dominated domestic commerce and had been employed as agents for the royal trade monopoly. With the rise of European economic influence many Chinese entrepreneurs had shifted to opium traffic and tax collecting, both despised occupations. In addition, Chinese millers and middlemen in the rice trade were blamed for the economic recession that gripped Siam for nearly a decade after 1905. Accusations of bribery of high officials, wars between the Chinese secret societies, and use of oppressive practices to extract taxes also served to inflame Thai opinion against the Chinese community at a time when it was expanding rapidly as a result of increased immigration from China.

    Many Chinese changed their name and took other measures to try and hide the fact they were Chinese. They government made it easy for them to become Thai citizens. Many intermarried with Thais. Over the years many Chinese became more assimilated to Thai culture and lost their bonds to China. Some though continued to speak Chinese at home, quietly practiced Chinese customs and religion and retained their Chinese names.

    Another wave of anti-Chinese occurred when Mao Zedong seized power in China after World War II. Since 1948 there has been a government policy restricted Chinese-language instruction in Chinese schools.


    Assimilation of the Chinese in Thailand
    Because of severe restrictions on Chinese immigration that were put into effect in the early 1950s, the great majority of Thailand's Chinese in the late 1980s had been born in Thailand. Not only did most Chinese speak Thai, many also acquired Thai names (in addition to their Chinese ones) and were Mahayana Buddhists (one of the major schools of Buddhism, active in China, Japan, Korea, and Nepal). Although many Thai resented the significant role the Chinese played in commerce and envied their wealth, the Thai also admired Chinese industriousness and business acumen, a pattern common elsewhere in Southeast Asia.

    Except for a minority, the Chinese not only were Thai nationals but also had, in some respects at least, assimilated into Thai society; many spoke Thai as well as they spoke Chinese. Most of the descendants of pretwentieth-century immigrants and those people of mixed Chinese-Thai ancestry (the so-called Sino-Thai) were so fully integrated into Thai society that they were not included in the Chinese population estimates.

    Assimilation has been easier for Chinese in Thailand—where the people speak a language somewhat related to Chinese, practice Buddhism and there are many Chinese influences in the culture—than elsewhere in Southeast Asia. In Thailand, many Chinese have taken Thai names. Assimilation has been a continuing process. Chinese were encouraged to become Thai citizens, and in 1970 it was estimated that more than 90 percent of the Chinese born in Thailand had done so. When diplomatic relations were established with China in the 1970s, resident Chinese not born in Thailand had the option of becoming Thai citizens; the remaining permanent Chinese alien population was estimated at fewer than 200,000.

    In the 1980s, when China began to emerged as an economic power, being Thai Chinese became kind of fashionable. Thai Chinese were instrumental in forming close relations with China. There was a re-emergence of Chinese pride and more open expressions of Chineseness. Television dramas began touching on relations between Thais and Chinese. Men of Chinese decent became prime ministers and Miss Thailand began looking more like Chinese than Thai.


    Chinese and Business in Thailand
    Bangkok has a large, influential Chinese community. They are said to be fond of shopping and new condominiums. Bangkok supports six daily Mandarin-language newspapers. At one time half the population of Bangkok was at least part Chinese by descent. Even the royal family has some Chinese blood.

    Many of the businesses in Thailand are owned by Chinese. Thais have traditionally been involved in farming and governing while Chinese ran commercial and industrial activities. In the 1970s, about 75 percent of all the shops, banks and factories in Bangkok were Chinese owned. In 1995, 11 Thais were listed as dollar billionaires. All but one were of Chinese descent. At that time 12 of the 15 commercial banks are owned by Chinese families. Ethnic Chinese tycoons were hit hard by the Asian financial crisis. Many were technically bankrupt for years.

    Historically, the Chinese served as middlemen in Thailand and elsewhere in Southeast Asia. Partly for this reason they were found everywhere in Thailand, particularly in the towns. There was, however, a major concentration in the Bangkok metropolitan area and another in the central part of peninsular Thailand, where many Chinese were engaged in several capacities in the tin mines and on the rubber plantations. Although many Chinese played an important part in the ownership and management of economic enterprises and in the professions, a substantial portion had less lucrative and significant occupations.


    Chinese and Class and Status in Thailand
    The social status of the Chinese economic elite has traditionally been ambiguous. After World War II, a limited number of Chinese business families, who had begun as middlemen financing aspects of agricultural production and marketing, became bankers and industrial and commercial entrepreneurs. These families had considerable economic power, and they clearly influenced some political decisions through the Thai military and bureaucrats with whom they had connections. Whether the Thai in general granted them the prestige ordinarily given to those holding high posts in government was another matter. [Source: Library of Congress]

    These Chinese businessmen should be distinguished from the many Thai in the military and the civil bureaucracy who had Chinese ancestry. In many cases, this Chinese ancestry was several generations removed. In any case, such individuals were considered Thai, operated chiefly in a Thai social and cultural milieu, and were evaluated on the same social scale as other Thai.

    Until the 1970s, persons who were fully Chinese entered the bureaucracy only at the middle levels or, if higher, as technical staff. This was in part a matter of Thai policy, in part a matter of Chinese orientation. The Chinese were not indifferent to political power or administrative skill as desirable qualities or as sources of prestige, but they adapted to the limits imposed by their minority status. Within the Chinese community there was a hierarchy of political influence, and there were organizations (ranging from chambers of commerce to community groups and mutual aid societies) in which Chinese had the opportunity to exercise their power and skills. Even there, however, political power and prestige flowed to those who had been successful as entrepreneurs, whereas among the Thai, achievement in the military or the bureaucracy preceded access to significant economic opportunities or resources. Chinese in the economic elite who moved into important positions in Chinese-centered organizations or, occasionally, other organizations, not only gained prestige within the Chinese community but also became the links between that community and Thai elites, particularly with respect to the establishment of economic ties.

    By the early 1970s, significant numbers of Chinese had been admitted to the higher bureaucracy. According to one analyst, they held roughly 30 percent of the posts in the special grades (upper ranks) at that time. Presumably they were the sons and daughters of wealthy entrepreneurs and had acquired the higher education necessary for admission to the bureaucracy's
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    Doubt the native Sino-Thai are out spreading the virus. It’s the tourist and uni students from China, of which there are many, who present a bit of a problem, I would think.

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    I'd bet a good few of those Sino Thais have been to China for the New Year and intermingled in vastly populated places and public ttansport.

    I see the Thais are blaming all 14 of their victims on Chinese tourists. Hardly surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naptownmike View Post
    My wife has a cousin...
    Ahh yes, no one quite does hysteria like a string of Thai relatives on their phones.


    Quote Originally Posted by naptownmike View Post
    Says Chinese are coming in by land because flights are all canceled and Mae Sot to.
    Hmmm.


    Outbound Tour Groups have been cancelled from leaving China.

    Don't think 'Flights are all cancelled', just have the passengers being screen upon entry.


    Also don't think Mae Sot (the border town with Myanmar in Tak province) has been 'cancelled'.

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    There are no flights cancelled and China put the block on tour groups, not Thailand.
    The Thais are just being advised to only travel to China on essential business. But its only advisory.

    All Thailand is worried about is its economy losing 2 million Chinese this year due to the virus.

    Theyve only just started screening all the Chinese instead of just those from Wuhan

    Thailand coronavirus cases rise to 14, all passengers from China to be screened - CNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    I'd bet a good few of those Sino Thais have been to China for the New Year and intermingled in vastly populated places and public ttansport.

    I see the Thais are blaming all 14 of their victims on Chinese tourists. Hardly surprising.
    There appears to be no authority on the incubation period, having the disease with no symptoms, which ranges between one and 14 days. This allows infected people that have been scanned and cleared to continue on their way and unwittingly spread it.

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    I remember Thailand when survival was all about staying away from fairground rides, amusement parks, beach activities and most things omitting the need for health and safety certificates, frottaging Ladyblokes, bent coppers, Thai male drinking partners and motorbikes and out of Prags way with his heavy horn hand and soft braking foot.

    Gotta love the place though. It makes compelling reading from distant civilisation.

    Like the Thai way of disclosing road accidents and tourism figures, you just know those virus figures they are releasing will be slightly off kilter and if there was ever gonna be a zombie apocalypse, Thailand will be the spawning ground

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    Fear not, the ockers are here to save the day.


    Scientists in Australia have become the first to recreate the new coronavirus outside of China in what they have called a "significant breakthrough".


    The discovery will be shared with the World Health Organization (WHO) in the hope it may help efforts to diagnose and treat the virus.


    Scientists in China have also recreated the virus and shared its genome sequence, but not the virus itself.


    "We've planned for an incident like this for many, many years and that's really why we were able to get an answer so quickly," said Dr Mike Catton of the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity.
    Hope of 'game changer'

    Doctors said the copy could be used as "control material" for testing and "will be a game changer for diagnosis".


    That could involve an early-diagnosis test which could detect the virus in people who have not displayed symptoms.


    Coronavirus: Australian scientists first to recreate virus outside China - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    There appears to be no authority on the incubation period, having the disease with no symptoms, which ranges between one and 14 days. This allows infected people that have been scanned and cleared to continue on their way and unwittingly spread it.

    According to the WHO, the incubation period can range from two to 10 days.

    Chinese authorities have said the virus - like a normal flu - is able to spread during its incubation period.


    But the WHO has said it remains unclear whether it is contagious before symptoms appear.

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    I'm flying out to Tokyo tonight from Don Muang (Chinese tour group central). I probably need to double down on TD amulets.

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    ^ Wear your hazmat suit.

    When I came into CNX, I rode the escalator down to immigration into a sea of Chinese tourists. Had to put my hands on that fingerprint machine. When I finished with the immigration officer, I stopped at the side of his desk and used some of his hand sanitizer. He nodded and smiled. Those immigration people must be frightened handling all those passports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    There are no flights cancelled and China put the block on tour groups, not Thailand.
    I posted above that flights to CNX from Wuhan were suspended on 24th Jan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    I'm flying out to Tokyo tonight from Don Muang (Chinese tour group central). I probably need to double down on TD amulets.

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    Australians at risk of coronavirus in China's Hubei province to be evacuated to Christmas Island

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the Federal Government will try to evacuate "isolated and vulnerable Australians" trapped in China because of the outbreak of the deadly coronavirus.
    Key points:

    • Australians in Hubei province at risk of coronavirus will be airlifted to Christmas Island for quarantine
    • The Government has upgraded its travel warnings for all of China
    • 600 Australians are registered as being in Hubei province




    The National Security Committee of Cabinet met earlier today and decided to launch the operation, after a briefing from Chinese authorities in Beijing on Monday.


    Mr Morrison said Australian children and elderly people in the virus-hit city of Wuhan would get priority.


    They will be taken to Christmas Island for quarantine.

    MORE Australians at risk of coronavirus in China's Hubei province to be evacuated to Christmas Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    3x more cases confirmed in Germany.

    Have you tried buying/ordering masks in shops or internet? Impossible! 12 day backorder

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    RIP Kmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    WHO leader praises China's response to novel coronavirus outbreak
    Ohh boy, is that all you can come up with ?

    How about this:

    "Xi Jinping has been tested positive of coronavirus. Hatschxi !"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    I doubt that.. More a case of finding which kids are the bigger risk.

    I thought about giving her the day off to let them weed out any ill first but decided against it..
    Erm, it'll take more than one day Dill, the incubation period could be upto 5 days or possibly more before symptoms emerge.

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    The COVID-2019 Thread-deb8327e-41e4-4674-b6a8-74e635fcca6a-jpeg

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    Holy cow. All those people still sick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The COVID-2019 Thread-deb8327e-41e4-4674-b6a8-74e635fcca6a-jpeg

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    Holy cow. All those people still sick?

    I'd multiply that figure by at least 10, if the CCP are running true to form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    it'll take more than one day Dill, the incubation period could be upto 5 days or possibly more before symptoms emerge
    Yeah two weeks I think. I was just thinking of her turning up and being in a line with any sick kid when I could put her in tomorrow after any ill ones had been weeded out.

    None were sent home so she tells me but 4 never turned up in her class today, who would have gone to China or HK for CNY or they had the same thought as me.

    Crazy school times over here.They start at 7 and finish at 1.30pm

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