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    The consensus seems to be to wait for them to sequence the variant that is still killing people and determine the actual risks of letting Omicron run unfettered.

    Certainly the UK seems to have made up its mind already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Nobody gives a fuck anymore
    That seems to be the general consensus with the majority on the ground in the UK after nearly 2 years of restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    That seems to be the general consensus with the majority on the ground in the UK after nearly 2 years of restrictions.
    Exactly.

    Everyone can see that the current scariant is no more than a bit of flu at most.

    And you can thank Baklrick for this from earlier in the discussion when he correctly pinpointed my feelings because the sentiments remain the same:

    Not. A. Fuck. Do. I Give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    That seems to be the general consensus with the majority on the ground in the UK after nearly 2 years of restrictions.
    Unfortunately the "majority on the ground" are Sun readers like you and H, and their opinion is rather fucking meaningless as they might as well get it off a cereal packet half the time.

    I'm talking about the scientific community and the people who actually have to count the deaths.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm talking about the scientific community and the people who actually have to count the deaths.
    No, you are talking about what you can find on the interwebby to scare people with.
    Accept you are not qualified in any way to be the font of all knowledge re Covid, but merely a googlemeister.

    Tell a few ghost stories to the locals in your moobahn, they may listen and that should give you your fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    No, you are talking about what you can find on the interwebby to scare people with.
    Accept you are not qualified in any way to be the font of all knowledge re Covid, but merely a googlemeister.

    Tell a few ghost stories to the locals in your moobahn, they may listen and that should give you your fix.
    And here's another muppet who doesn't understand science at all.

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    Sadly, the people on the ground in UK are so desperate for any solution, that they have jumped on the Omicron virus as a solution to their woes.
    It might be that, and I’m sure Boris is happy that voters can now focus on hope instead of parties at Number 10.

    A few weeks more before anyone can celebrate, because the pandemic is far from over.

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    Well it seems the Thai government are seeing what the UK are seeing:

    The Public Health Ministry will propose easing Covid-19 curbs in light of the diminishing threat posed by the virus's Omicron variant.
    Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that even though new daily cases linked with Omicron have increased since New Year, the number of people with severe symptoms on ventilators or in intensive care units is still low.
    Also, the daily fatalities have not exceeded 20 for a while, he said.
    "This is a reason to be confident, for even though Omicron is highly transmissible it is still less severe than the Delta variant," Mr Anutin said.

    Govt mulls easing virus curbs

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    England's Plan B tipped to end on January 26 as Omicron data ‘heading in right direction'

    England'''s Plan B tipped to end on January 26 as Omicron data ‘heading in right direction'''

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    Due to some daft bint testing positive then coming to a party in the hope of a legover, my family is now self isolating pending tests later in the week. The mind boggles.

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    Someone should be throwing money at this.

    One in ten people may still be infectious for COVID after ten days, new research indicates

    One in 10 people may have clinically relevant levels of potentially infectious SARS-CoV-2 past the 10 day quarantine period, according to new research.

    The study, led by the University of Exeter and funded by Animal Free Research UK, used a newly adapted test which can detect whether the virus was potentially still active. It was applied to samples from 176 people in Exeter who had tested positive on standard PCR tests.

    The study, published in the international Journal of Infectious Diseases found that 13 per cent of people still exhibited clinically-relevant levels of virus after 10 days, meaning they could potentially still be infectious. Some people retained these levels for up to 68 days. The authors believe this new test should be applied in settings where people are vulnerable, to stop the spread of COVID-19.

    Professor Lorna Harries, of the University of Exeter Medical School, oversaw the study. She said: “While this is a relatively small study, our results suggest that potentially active virus may sometimes persist beyond a 10 day period, and could pose a potential risk of onward transmission. Furthermore, there was nothing clinically remarkable about these people, which means we wouldn’t be able to predict who they are”.

    Conventional PCR tests work by testing for the presence of viral fragments. While they can tell if someone has recently had the virus, they cannot detect whether it is still active, and the person is infectious.

    The test used in the latest study however gives a positive result only when the virus is active and potentially capable of onward transmission.
    Research news - One in ten people may still be infectious for COVID after ten days, new research indicates - University of Exeter

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    Due to some daft bint testing positive then coming to a party in the hope of a legover, my family is now self isolating pending tests later in the week. The mind boggles.
    How come she hadn't been carted off to a field hospital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    How come she hadn't been carted off to a field hospital?
    Not everyone can afford that shit. Most people just ride it out at home. I will do the same if/when I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    Not everyone can afford that shit. Most people just ride it out at home. I will do the same if/when I get it.
    She tested herself then, or they let her home isolate but no-one monitors?

    Either way you know there is at least one stupid c u n t involved here.

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    "I'm not putting that poison in me" say the retarded antivaxxers.

    In late summer Candice Davis and her brother, Starr, returned to South Philadelphia from a trip to Mexico, and Davis quickly knew that something was wrong. Both she and Starr felt ill, and both subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. But Starr, who had been immunized, experienced only mild flulike symptoms and felt better within a few days. For his unvaccinated sister, a nightmare began to unfold.

    Candice, age 30, quarantined for two days but soon noticed that things were worsening. She started to feel her heart “skipping beats.… I was burning up,” she tells me. She called an ambulance. At the Penn Presbyterian Medical Center, Davis’s blood pressure plunged to 70/50, and she was diagnosed with myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, caused by infection with the novel coronavirus.

    In essence, Davis’s heart was barely pumping. Her treating physician, Nayelah Sultan, says the heart was functioning so poorly that her doctors considered her for a cardiac transplant. Davis also experienced atrial fibrillation, a sudden acceleration of her heartbeat. Her doctors shocked her heart back into a normal rhythm.

    Doctors explained to Davis that she needed to have a breathing tube inserted and to be placed on a ventilator. “I freaked out,” she says, “because I had heard the stories.” After a conversation with her mother, she agreed to the procedure. Hours later, Davis was also placed on extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), a heart-lung machine for life support, because she remained critically ill. She was started, too, on an anticoagulant that thins the blood to help prevent clots.

    “It was a hot mess,” says Paige Davis, Candice’s mother. Her daughter had lines going in and out of her groin, and she required fasciotomies (cuts made into the muscle) to treat possible compartment syndrome in her legs. “It started with the heart,” Paige says, “but as time went on, everything started to crash.”

    Placed in a medically induced coma, Candice Davis doesn’t remember much from those first few weeks. But she knows what she saw when she awoke: “My arms and my feet, super black and, like, dead,” she says. “It was terrible.”

    Lack of blood flow to Davis’s extremities led to the amputation of one arm above the elbow, one arm below the elbow, one leg below her knee and half her right foot. Her COVID could have killed her, but these procedures saved her life.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/some-covid-patients-need-amputations-to-survive1/

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    Australia suffers deadliest day of pandemic as Omicron drives up hospital cases

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia on Tuesday suffered its deadliest day of the pandemic as a fast-moving Omicron outbreak continued to push up hospitalisation rates to record levels, even as daily infections eased slightly.


    Australia is dealing with its worst COVID-19 outbreak, fuelled by the Omicron variant of the coronavirus that has put more people in hospitals and intensive care than at any time during the pandemic.


    A total of 74 deaths were registered by late morning between New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland, Australia's three most populous states, exceeding the previous national high of 57 last Thursday, official data showed.


    "Today, is a very difficult day for our state," New South Wales Premier Dominic Perrottet said during a media briefing as the state reported 36 deaths, a new pandemic high.


    Perrottet, who has consistently ruled out any tough curbs due to high vaccination levels, said hospitals can still cope with the rising number of admissions. "Despite the challenges, they are not unique to the rest of the world," he said.


    Amid rising hospitalisations, Victoria on Tuesday declared a "code brown" in hospitals, typically reserved for shorter-term emergencies, that would give hospitals the power to cancel non-urgent health services and cancel staff leave.


    Authorities have said unvaccinated younger people form a "significant number" of the country's hospital admissions.


    Even as states look to avoid lockdowns and keep businesses open, Australian consumer confidence took a battering last week, an ANZ survey out on Tuesday showed, as the Omicron surge triggered self-imposed lockdowns and stifled spending.


    Omicron has also dented Prime Minister Scott Morrison's approval ratings, according to a widely watched poll on Tuesday, putting opposition Labor into a leading position months out from a federal election.


    Just over 67,000 new infections were reported in New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Tasmania, down from a national high of 150,000 last Thursday. Other states are due to report later.


    Australia has reported about 1.6 million infections since the pandemic began, of which around 1.3 million were in the last two weeks. Total deaths stood at 2,757.


    Australia suffers deadliest day of pandemic as Omicron drives up hospital cases

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    Australia has reported about 1.6 million infections since the pandemic began, of which around 1.3 million were in the last two weeks.
    74 doesn't sound a lot when you put it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Australia suffers deadliest day of pandemic as Omicron drives up hospital cases
    So not quite the 'cold' thing that deeks, stumpy and hal have been on about then.

    The two sentient beings in that threesome might think about the third guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    So not quite the 'cold' thing that deeks, stumpy and hal have been on about then.

    The two sentient beings in that threesome might think about the third guy.
    An Australian, an American and a Brit? All presumably in touch with family and friends back home. Australia still at the height of summer, and the UK and US, mostly in midwinter.
    Is Africa suffering because of extant weather conditions or low vaccination rates?

    I suspect this bastard pandemic is too complex for such simple solutions, and anecdotal evidence could easily be affected by individual experiences.

    My view is probably a bit simplistic too. Irrespective of the hemisphere and seasons, the virus is having most success in densely populated regions. London and the South East? Australias most populated states? South African townships? New York and Texas/Florida? All very different climate groups, and all having very different attitudes to public transport and restrictions on relevant behaviour enforcement.

    Altogether too complicated to call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    the virus is having most success in densely populated regions.
    Extraordinary deduction ... Good Lord, give him a banana!

    Meanwhile, I'm a bit concerned that the UK is playing down Omicron when the deaths yesterday were up to 438...

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    so the virus is in densely populated regions,? not in china it aint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Extraordinary deduction ... Good Lord, give him a banana!

    Meanwhile, I'm a bit concerned that the UK is playing down Omicron when the deaths yesterday were up to 438...

    COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
    Because that stems from when the daily case rate was 230,000?

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    Canada and the US now starting to differentiate and report cases of incidental Covid.

    Ontario to update data reporting so that possible incidental COVID deaths are identified: top doc | Globalnews.ca

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    Surge of US Covid hospitalisations masks ‘incidental’ infections
    Admissions hit record high but some patients are seeking care for reasons unrelated to virus

    The high number of infected patients in hospitals is severely taxing the healthcare system because of the requirement for isolation rooms, personal protective equipment and the toll on hospital employees © AFP via Getty Images Share on twitter (opens new window) Share on facebook (opens new window) Share on linkedin (opens new window) Share on whatsapp (opens new window) Save Caitlin Gilbert and Jamie Smyth in New York JANUARY 15 2022 44 Sign up for our post-Covid economy newsletter Follow how business and the economy are recovering post-pandemic with our Road to Recovery bulletin. Delivered 3 times a week.

    As the number of patients in US hospitals with Covid-19 hits new records doctors and public health experts are asking whether the headline number is still a reliable indicator of the pandemic’s trajectory given that some patients are being admitted for other reasons.

    Based on data from the US Department of Health and Human Services, the current seven-day rolling average of patients hospitalised with Covid-19 in the US is 155,677, exceeding the peak of 139,279 patients in January 2021.

    But Omicron infections are now so widespread that some people going to hospital are seeking treatment for something else are testing positive for Covid-19 upon arrival. That threatens to complicate the link between severe illness and death and hospitalisations, which have until now served as a reliable early indicator of how the pandemic is progressing.

    “We are seeing a lot of people coming to the hospital for other reasons who just happen to find they have Covid,” said Jennifer Caputo-Seidler, a doctor at Tampa General Hospital in Florida. “They may have a broken leg but are still testing positive.”

    Caputo-Seidler said hospitalisation numbers no longer give a full picture of what is happening with the virus because of these “incidental” admissions of Covid patients.

    David Dowdy, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, said it was difficult to measure the impact of people who test positive for the virus in hospital despite attending for another reason because of a lack of data and patchy reporting.

    “In real time, we’re largely stuck with having to make mental adjustments — there is no reliable method that I’m aware of to ‘factor out’ these incidental admissions,” he added.

    Another complicating factor is that Omicron infections are less severe than some other variants such as Delta, while many people now have better immune protection as a result of vaccinations and prior infections.

    While cases and hospitalisations have increased 320 per cent and 116 per cent, respectively in the past three weeks, the number of Covid patients in the ICU has not grown as quickly, increasing only 51 per cent.

    Statewide data on incidental admissions has only recently become available in places such as New York and Massachusetts, which have started collecting the data.

    In New York state, 42 per cent of Covid hospitalisations in New York state are incidental while in Los Angeles county the figure is two-thirds.

    In Florida, the Jackson Health System reported that out of their current 508 Covid-positive patients, 53 per cent were incidental admissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    So not quite the 'cold' thing that deeks, stumpy and hal have been on about then.

    The two sentient beings in that threesome might think about the third guy.
    74 deaths (as many as 2/3 of which will be incidental - see the FT report above - but still reported as a Covid fatality) from 1.3 million infections over the last 2 weeks from a population of how many?

    I'll be sticking with my original opinion, Cy.
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