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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Everyone has to use that 'dirty' toilet handle.
    Disposable gloves David think outside the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Then please explain Russia with ONLY 2x confirmed and miraculously recovered 2 cases. No flu-season in the BIGGEST country in the world?
    Yes, that's interesting and strange. Do they truly report?

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    New Zealand reports first case of coronavirus

    New Zealand confirmed its first coronavirus case on Friday, according to its health ministry.
    In a statement, it said that first case is a person who returned from Iran, and arrived in Auckland on an Emirates flight on Feb. 26.
    The New Zealand dollar fell around 1% against the U.S. dollar, on the back of that news. — Weizhen Tan
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    57 countries now.

    Korea upto 2337 and climbing rapidly...



    The military joining in too:

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    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    New Zealand reports first case of coronavirus
    Yes, my wife sent me this:

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    Panic buying when one case is found . . . the Kiwi government acted far too slowly to keep the Chinese tourist dollar trickling in, plus there are thousands of mainland Chinese with homes in NZ who escaped to NZ . . . and were told to self-quarantine. Well, mainlanders are not known for following directives and two were already reprimanded for breaking the directive

    But, panic buying? Seriously?

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    Uh oh, Baldy orange cunto's not going to like this.
    Whistleblowers at it again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    But, panic buying? Seriously?
    Shhh don't tell Syb but i have now squirreled away 3 months worth of beer and wine. i intend to go out puggled, or er stay in puggled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I'm getting really bored of these dumb comments about the flu... For a couple of reasons: 1) people die for many reasons, only a few people die of violent rape, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't foreground that issue and attempt to do something about it - as is true of every form of unnatural death... 2) Are your flu figures/statements actually true? Lets have a quick look:

    I've been manly focusing on Korea in this thread, so I'll continue to do so... These are the figures for annual deaths by flu in Korea over a few years:



    This is the source: Estimating Influenza-associated Mortality in Korea: The 2009-2016 Seasons

    So, the average people dying from the flu in Korea per year is around 55.

    The CoronaVirus has killed 13 people this month in Korea (see below). We don't know if that's a peak or gonna drop or gonna grow, but if we take only the 2,000 confirmed cases in Korea (in little over a week really...) then taking your 3.5%, that's 75 people. So it's likely that more people will die from the Coronavirus in Korea this year than the flu - and remember, we are talking about evidence of annual flu deaths against evidence in Korea that has blown up in a month - if that continues, and I'm not saying it will - I simply don't know, then in a year that'd equate to more than 10 times the amount of people dying in Korea from CoronaVirus than the flu.



    Thus, as I said, I'm rather bored of the inane comments such as "I'm more concerned about the flu" - I live in Korea, and I'm 10 times more concerned about CoronaVirus than the flu...

    No, read the table properly.

    They are percentages of how the people did. The abstract mentions the numbers of deaths as "Overall, 1 859 890 deaths were observed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Masks are vital. Everyone should be wearing them.
    This is simply not right. Face masks are of dubious benefit in protecting against infection. They may have some benefit in restricting infected people in spreading the virus. This is from CDC. Simple fact is, most people have no training in how to use them correctly.

    The primary way in which people get infected is hand to face. Sanitize your hand regularly, and try not to touch your face so often.

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    Nigeria confirms first coronavirus case in sub-Saharan Africa
    Stock market losses around the world deepen as officials confirm 20 new cases in France




    A Port Health Service staff member stands next to a thermal scanner as passengers arrive at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport in Lagos, Nigeria
    The coronavirus has spread to Nigeria in sub-Saharan Africa Photograph: Pius Utomi Ekpei/AFP via Getty Images
    The first confirmed case of coronavirus in sub-Saharan Africa has been reported by Nigeria, as stock market losses around the world deepened amid investor alarm over a potential global pandemic.


    The case was an Italian citizen who worked in Nigeria and had returned from Italy to Lagos on 25 February, said Nigeria’s health minister, Osagie Ehanire. “The patient is clinically stable, with no serious symptoms, and is being managed at the Infectious Disease Hospital in Yaba, Lagos,” Ehanire said.


    The case is just the third to be confirmed on the African continent, something that has puzzled health specialists given its close ties China.


    Earlier this month, officials at the World Health Organization warned that porous borders, a continuing flow of travellers and poorly resourced healthcare systems meant the risk of an outbreak across Africa was “very very high” and raised significant concerns about the ability of “fragile health systems” to cope.


    Recent weeks have been used to reinforce testing regimes, isolation facilities and for public messaging too.


    “Nigeria has dramatically improved its ability to manage the outbreak of a major pandemic since the Ebola scare in west Africa in 2014,” Folasade Ogunsola, professor of clinical microbiology at the University of Lagos, wrote on The Conversation website. “Any of the lessons from keeping the country free of Ebola have informed the steps taken since the news of the coronavirus epidemic first broke.”


    There is anxiety in many countries despite reinforced protective measures. In Kenya there has been a backlash against authorities who allowed the first direct flight from China in two weeks.


    In other developments on Friday:


    Officials confirmed 20 new cases in France in the past 24 hours, after President Emmanuel Macron warned on Thursday that the country was on the brink of an epidemic. In Italy the death toll rose to 17.
    About 1,000 people were in quarantine in Germany’s most populous state, as the number of confirmed cases in Europe’s biggest economy rose above 50.
    Lithuania and New Zealand reported their first confirmed cases.
    The first case was confirmed in Wales, taking the total in the UK to 19.
    China recorded 44 new deaths and 327 new confirmed cases, as the spread of the virus continues to slow inside the country.
    South Korea announced 571 new cases, bringing the total number of infections to 2,337, by far the largest outside China.
    Californian health officials said they were monitoring 8,400 people for symptoms after their arrival on domestic flights.
    Australian doctors warned the public health system could be overwhelmed in the event of a pandemic, a day after the government launched its emergency response programme.
    The spread of the virus prompted investors to take decisive action on Friday, when global markets plummeted again. The Dow Jones suffered its biggest one day fall on Thursday, plunging 1,190 points, or 4.4%, with analysts warning the virus could cause as much damage as the 2008/09 global financial crisis. Shares followed suit in the Asian trading session on Friday while Brent crude was poised to dip below $50 a barrel for the first time in four years.

    Nigeria confirms first coronavirus case in sub-Saharan Africa | World news | The Guardian

    Once it gets hold in Africa and india it'll be devastating.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    ^ nearer to home is a worry also. Philippines, Jakarta.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Jakarta
    Indonesia apparently still has zero cases, but Malaysia has a new case today, a Japanese lass who was in Jakarta during this month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    No, read the table properly.

    They are percentages of how the people did. The abstract mentions the numbers of deaths as "Overall, 1 859 890 deaths were observed"
    That is the total deaths in Korea (you know, old age, car accidents, cancer, etc...).


    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    This is simply not right. Face masks are of dubious benefit in protecting against infection. They may have some benefit in restricting infected people in spreading the virus. This is from CDC. Simple fact is, most people have no training in how to use them correctly.

    The primary way in which people get infected is hand to face. Sanitize your hand regularly, and try not to touch your face so often.
    Read what I said. There may be only a small benefit to stoping you get infected, but it's something, so that alone is of benefit. But, the main benefit is stopping people who are infected without knowing it from sneezing and coughing on others.

    I have not be tested, I don't think I have the virus, but I might, so I always wear a mask so there's a lesser chance of me unknowingly infecting others. The mask might also help somebody infecting me by sneezing in my general direction. Of course, I don't touch my face or hair, I carry around some medical alcohol and wash my hands with it very often. Once I'm home and take the mask off, I wash well with the medical alcohol and then soap and water. People should be wearing masks... If you're in China, I presume you're wearing a mask when you go out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    That is the total deaths in Korea (you know, old age, car accidents, cancer, etc...).
    Indeed. So you are looking at 55% of people dying of infectious diseases are due to influenza each year. So how many people Korea died from infectious diseases? I'll give you a clue, it's more than 110.
    or another source, says

    Professor Lee Jae-gap at the Infectious Disease Department of Hallym University Kangnam Sacred Heart Hospital said Korea did not have accurate statistics on deaths by influenza.“If a patient has influenza but dies of pneumonia, the death is recorded as death caused by pneumonia,” Lee said. “Including indirect deaths, I presume that about 1,200-1,500 Korean people die of influenza every year. The interior and safety ministry’s data was smaller than expected.”

    Deaths by suicides, infections surged in 2018: data - Korea Biomedical Review

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    Like 27.5 million other Americans, I don’t have health insurance. It’s not for a lack of trying – I make too much to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to buy a private health insurance plan on the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Since I can’t afford to see a doctor, my healthcare strategy as a 32-year-old uninsured American has been simply to sleep eight hours, eat vegetables, and get daily exercise. But now that there are confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States, the deadly virus could spread rapidly, thanks to others like me who have no feasible way to get the care we need if we start exhibiting symptoms.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are confirmed coronavirus cases in at least 50 countries on six continents, and more than 2,800 patients have died from the virus. This certainly qualifies as a pandemic under the World Health Organization’s (WHO) definition of the term, which, under a typical presidency, should necessitate a swift response from US health officials. However, the Trump administration appears to still be prioritizing the profit margin of the healthcare industry over preventing the spread of a deadly pandemic.


    Earlier this week, the Department of Health and Human Services secretary, Alex Azar, (a former senior executive at pharmaceutical manufacturer Eli Lilly) refused to commit to implementing price controls on a coronavirus vaccine “because we need the private sector to invest … price controls won’t get us there”. Even the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, notably didn’t use the word “free” when referring to a coronavirus vaccine, and instead used the word “affordable”. What may be considered affordable for the third-most powerful person in the US government with an estimated net worth of $16m may not be affordable for someone who can’t afford a basic private health insurance plan that still requires a patient to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket.


    Given the high cost of healthcare in the US, I haven’t seen a doctor since 2013, when I visited an emergency room after being run off the road while riding my bike. After waiting for four hours, the doctor put my arm in a sling, prescribed pain medication and sent me home. That visit cost more than $4,000, and the unpaid balance eventually went to collections and still haunts my credit to this day, making it needlessly difficult to rent an apartment or buy a car. But even a low-premium bronze plan on the exchange comes with a sky-high deductible in the thousands of dollars, meaning even if I was insured, I’d have still paid for that ER visit entirely out of pocket.


    When you multiply my situation by 27.5 million, you end up with a country full of people who won’t see a doctor unless they’re extremely sick
    This system is exactly why a 2018 West Health Institute/NORC at the University of Chicago national poll found that 44% of Americans declined to see a doctor due to cost, and why nearly a third of Americans polled said they didn’t get their prescriptions filled due to the high cost of their medicine. This is the same system that killed 38-year-old Texas public school teacher Heather Holland, who couldn’t afford the $116 co-pay for her flu medication and later died from flu complications. It’s the same system that Guardian contributor Luke O’Neil refers to as “Go viral or die trying”, in which Americans who can’t afford life-saving healthcare procedures are forced to become their own advocate and PR agency by launching a viral GoFundMe campaign to ask strangers on the internet to save their lives.


    When you multiply my situation by 27.5 million, you end up with a country full of people who won’t see a doctor unless they’re extremely sick. And when you combine a for-profit healthcare system – in which only those wealthy enough to get care actually receive it – with a global pandemic, the only outcome will be unmitigated disaster. This could be somewhat remedied if the US had a single-payer, universal healthcare system, like every other industrialized nation. And as a team of Yale epidemiologists discovered in a study recently published in the Lancet, a single-payer healthcare system in the US could simultaneously save 68,000 lives and $450bn in taxpayer dollars each year.


    Yes, countries with single-payer systems still have coronavirus cases, Italy and Japan. But the spread of the virus in those countries would likely pale in comparison to the potential spread of coronavirus in the US, in which a significant portion of the population simply won’t go to the doctor if they’re sick. Coronavirus is a worldwide public health emergency, and massive profits for health insurers and pharmaceutical manufacturers shouldn’t come before the basic health and safety of human beings.
    Nigeria confirms first coronavirus case in sub-Saharan Africa | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Clearly the Chinese underplayed it early on, and by the time they came clean it was already exported and festering. Latest is more infections abroad than in China, which bodes well if Chinese figures are to be trusted.
    Don't underestimate Iran's stupidity over this crisis. They deliberately kept the extent of their infections quiet and have been responsible for many of the new countries added to the list. They, of course, got it from the chinkies who have been quietly dealing with them behind everyone's back in return for cheap gas and oil despite the sanctions.

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    Wales has its first case.

    Coronavirus Wales: Everything you need to know | South Wales Argus

    The Nigerian case travelled through Lagos before being identified (Pop: 21 million).

    Nigeria's first coronavirus case travelled through Lago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Indeed. So you are looking at 55% of people dying of infectious diseases are due to influenza each year. So how many people Korea died from infectious diseases? I'll give you a clue, it's more than 110.

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    Considering how high TB is in Korea (see below) if that 55% figure was true, nevermind adding in Pneumonia (that isn't related to flu victims), then Korea really would be in trouble...



    TB kills a lot more than the flu every year in Korea, sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I'm also getting a bit bored here in Korea, not going out much, the next 3 weeks 'working' from home, so if anybody fancies popping over for a visit you're more than welcome (Chokdee has two beds, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing one...).
    Reachy is sure to take you up on that offer.

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    Bit rough for Chokdee.

    Loads of new cases in the UK now, even got a family in our village self isolating but sending one child to school who hasn't got it.
    A collegue came back from a romantic trip over Valentine's day in Italy has started coughing at work.
    Naturally we all put a bell around his neck and sprayed him with alcohol gel.My theory is it's gonna spread everywhere, just stay healthy and get plenty of supplies in.

    I'm gonna stockpile 30 days supply of canned food today .

    That's a lot of cans 60 cans of dog food,30 cans of baked beans,30 cans of peas.
    Never lived out of a can but you've gotta be prepared
    I reckon I'm gonna have to buy at least 120 cans to last the 30 days.
    I need some sort of protection to protect my stash from infected looters.

    Any ideas????

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    I came down with the lurgy on Sunday and after a couple of days ensuring colleagues got a share i am now self isolating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    I came down with the lurgy on Sunday and after a couple of days ensuring colleagues got a share i am now self isolating.
    I trust you have plenty of supplies in?

    Who heard of the term "self isolate" before this started?

    Now every fvcker is talking about self isolation, carnt wait for my stint,gotta get my supplies in first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    I trust you have plenty of supplies in? Who heard of the term "self isolate" before this started? Now every fvcker is talking about self isolation, carnt wait for my stint,gotta get my supplies in first
    Fukin millenials love their phrases, i'm just jumping on the bandwagon for a few days catch up on other non-work stuff. You obviously missed Syb commenting on my wise decision to procure 2 months of beer and wine..topped up yesterday to 3 months, the shed is groaning. Just hope the pikeys don't break in there.

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    I've heard Sybill is self isolating,long may it continue.

    Not a bad idea as alcohol kills the virus.

    Fvcking hell 3 months supply!!

    May have to revise my strategy to include an extra 2 months of canned food and 3 months supply of alcohol.
    This is gonna be an expensive trip to the supermarket, but I'm investing in my survival which is priceless

    Might even start a new thread in the kitchen...

    The canned food meal picture thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Not a bad idea as alcohol kills the virus.

    May have to revise my strategy to include an extra 2 months of canned food and 3 months supply of alcohol..
    Chitty i didn't buy the booze to rub it on meself.

    I think i have 3 months food which i can ration, the Alcohol is not part of the ration and will not be subject to it. I am already turning people away from the door if they look likely to want a beer upon entry.

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