The COVID-2019 Thread

[bowie]

I'm a bit more concerned about this. If reinfection can occur, then the human body doesn't develop immunity. So what are the chances of our medicos developing an effective vaccine?



http://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-27-20-intl-hnk/h_8adfa7d440622ec4a812da0cf5726e91?fbclid=IwAR1cEi weVKeD2NLACLXZwU4L0nWdxcQh0QDwNzqbTfl6c7f4kAaqhzoS 1Cg

Japanese woman reinfected with coronavirus weeks after initial recovery

From CNN's Junko Ogura in Tokyo

A woman working as a tour bus guide in Japan has tested positive for the coronavirus for a second time, Osaka's prefecture government said on Wednesday.

The first case of reinfection to be reported in the country comes amid mounting fears over the spread of coronavirus there. The number of confirmed cases in Japan has risen to more than 800 -- nearly 700 of which were reported on a cruise liner quarantined off Tokyo earlier this month -- and seven people have died.

The 40-year-old woman, an Osaka resident, tested positive on Wednesday after developing chest pains and a sore throat, the prefectural government said in a statement. She first tested positive in late January and was discharged from hospital on February 1, after being treated for symptoms at a hospital in Osaka.

The Japanese Ministry of Health guidelines state that coronavirus patients must get tested twice before their release.

The woman had contact with tourists from Wuhan while working as a tour guide in mid-January. An Osaka prefectural official told CNN that she did not attend work, wore a mask at all times and did not have close contact with anyone while she was not in a medical facility.

[HermantheGerman]

Fact is:
more Scientists are coming out saying this is worse then the flu. (Prof. Dr. Herman and his assistance at TD knew that already weeks ago )

if some JackAss wants to play the number games here it is: More and more dock workers in China are calling in sick, meaning supply's like electronic parts and even medicine are not leaving the country meaning, unemployment will rise very soon in many countries.

a recovered covid-2019 patient is not immune meaning, the number about recovery's is another lie.

[HermantheGerman]

^ it's quite unusual that it doesn't affect the young. I've seen some SARS figures which had mortality rates at 55% for people over 64!.

I read somewhere that's because a young persons immune system doesn't take the covid-19 so serious. An older persons immune system takes the virus very serious and overreacts therewith causing more damage then good.
Sorry for the simple explanation.

[HermantheGerman]

I've been manly focusing on Korea in this thread, so I'll continue to do so... These are the figures for annual deaths by flu in Korea over a few years:

Bettyboo ! Your comments are very much appreciated because they are reports from "real" world. Not some kind of communist BS or people unwilling to comprehend what is going on.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.

[Klondyke]

^And it seems that it is mainly in the countries with the usual "flu-season" weather...

[Bettyboo]

Bettyboo ! Your comments are very much appreciated because they are reports from "real" world. Not some kind of communist BS or people unwilling to comprehend what is going on.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.

Thanks, Dr. Herman, I can understand how some people in Thailand or the UK can't relate to the reality that well, but in places like Korea it's a big thing, and I can only imagine how devastating it is in China.

The reality in Korea is that it's very likely more people will die from CoronaVirus this year than the flu.

[Klondyke]

Not so wrong views:

Slavoj Zizek: Coronavirus is ‘Kill Bill’-esque blow to capitalism and could lead to reinvention of communism

A day after Iran’s Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi appeared at a press conference in order to downplay the coronavirus spread and to assert that mass quarantines are not necessary, he made a short statement admitting that he has contracted the coronavirus and placed himself in isolation (already during his first TV appearance, he had shown signs of fever and weakness). Harirchi added: “This virus is democratic, and it doesn’t distinguish between poor and rich or between statesman and an ordinary citizen.”

In this, he was right – we are all in the same boat. It is difficult to miss the supreme irony of the fact that what brought us all together and pushed us into global solidarity expresses itself at the level of everyday life in strict commands to avoid close contacts with others, even to self-isolate.

And we are not dealing only with viral threats – other catastrophes are looming on the horizon or already taking place: draughts, heatwaves, massive storms, etc. In all these cases, the answer is not panic but hard and urgent work to establish some kind of efficient global coordination.

Another weird phenomenon that we can observe is the triumphant return of capitalist animism, of treating social phenomena like markets or financial capital as living entities. If one reads our big media, the impression one gets is that what we should really worry about are not thousands who already died (and thousands more who will die) but the fact that “markets are getting nervous.” The coronavirus is increasingly disturbing the smooth running of the world market and, as we hear, growth may fall by two or three percent.

Does all this not clearly signal the urgent need for a reorganization of the global economy which will no longer be at the mercy of market mechanisms? We are not talking here about old-style communism, of course, just about some kind of global organization that can control and regulate the economy, as well as limit the sovereignty of nation-states when needed. Countries were able to do it against the backdrop of war in the past, and all of us are now effectively approaching a state of medical war.

Plus we should also not be afraid to note some potentially beneficial side effects of the epidemic. One of the symbols of the epidemic is passengers caught (quarantined) on large cruise ships – good riddance to the obscenity of such ships, I am tempted to say. (We only have to be careful that travel to lone islands or other exclusive resorts will not become again the privilege of the rich few, as it was decades ago with flying.) Car production is also seriously affected by the coronavirus – which is not too bad, as this may compel us to think about alternatives to our obsession with individual vehicles. The list goes on.

Slavoj Zizek: Coronavirus is ‘Kill Bill’-esque blow to capitalism and could lead to reinvention of communism — RT Op-ed

[harrybarracuda]

I suppose it was only a matter of time before some whackjob blamed aliens.

After a US patient got a novel coronavirus and left medical authorities no clues as to its origin, a scientist claimed that the COVID-19 is the first wave of an extraterrestrial biological invasion of Earth.

Are Aliens Behind the First US Coronavirus Confirmed Case of Unknown Origin? A Scientist Claim It's Possible! | Tech Times

[harrybarracuda]

We have Nigeria..... now if it digs in there it will get some numbers.

Also Holland, Lithuania, Belarus and New Zealand.

Oh, and Norn Ireland.

[Dragonfly]

the number of cases in France has just doubled overnight, from 17 to 38 with 3 fatalities already

the worrying part is those new cases have no connection with traveling, so we don't know how they got it

at that rate, like Italty, it should be thousands by next week

PANIC TIME!!!!

[lom]

The reality in Korea is that it's very likely more people will die from CoronaVirus this year than the flu.

Of course, somewhere between 10-20 times more.

Your figures about mortality from flu in Korea are very high compared to average in the world, maybe because the numbers are about people who have died while having a flu instead of people dying because of the flu.
Could of course also be that Koreans have much lower immune defense than average in the world...

Swedish figures for instance are 200 death per year or 1.7 per 1000 treated patients which falls into the 0.1%-0.2% mortality range.

[panama hat]

So how do they know how long you have been in any of the countries affected by the discease?

Passport entry and exit stamps, where they do it, and questioning, I'd guess

[Bettyboo]

Of course, somewhere between 10-20 times more.

Your figures about mortality from flu in Korea are very high compared to average in the world, maybe because the numbers are about people who have died while having a flu instead of people dying because of the flu.
Could of course also be that Koreans have much lower immune defense than average in the world...

Swedish figures for instance are 200 death per year or 1.7 per 1000 treated patients which falls into the 0.1%-0.2% mortality range.

There seems to be some similarities between the two insomuchas: 1) the older more vulnerable folks with existing conditions are much more vulnerable; 2) many deaths are probably put down as pneumonia, lung disease/failure, etc. For example, a Mongolian in Korea died because he got infected while having an operation (from memory, I think it was a kidney transplant, could be wrong...) which affected his recovery - his death is put down to CoronaVirus, but on another day in another hospital, it could have been put down to kidney failure/something else.

[Chico]

Passport entry and exit stamps, where they do it, and questioning, I'd guess

They check that at Immigration,not when you are in transit or in the customs area.

[panama hat]

They check that at Immigration,not when you are in transit or in the customs area.

True, if you are entering the country then yes. Hopefully at exiting a country they'd have similar checks, leaving transit and customs 'relatively' ok

[Bettyboo]

...I am supposed to be signing a contract this week, but I guess that is going to be delayed. If it carries on like this I might have to take a break with my studies, as the last module requires research in my place of work. Time for a walk and clear the mind.

It's a worry. Companies are losing profits and jobs will go...

My semester has been further put back (as of today), and I don't sign a contract til next Thursday (although I have a signed reappointment notice, so that's something). I had planned to stay here for another 4 years, get 10 years in which would give me a Korean pension...but, I'm sure the management are discussing their options, and maybe my contract won't be renewed...

We have a college, a uni, international programs in the uni, and an International business college where all my classes are next semester; 80%+ foreign students. Not looking good.

[Chico]

True, if you are entering the country then yes. Hopefully at exiting a country they'd have similar checks, leaving transit and customs 'relatively' ok

They Know the risks,and from what i have witnessed lately there is no plan in UK or Thailand not sure about other countries,but experience from other virus's, all travel should be cancelled around the globe,until further notice. if they believe this is a killer virus.

Here’s how coronavirus spreads on a plane—and the safest place to sit

[HermantheGerman]

^And it seems that it is mainly in the countries with the usual "flu-season" weather...

Then please explain Russia with ONLY 2x confirmed and miraculously recovered 2 cases. No flu-season in the BIGGEST country in the world?

[VocalNeal]

^ Correct wearing a mask protects other.

Does noting for the wearer and is only good for about 20 mins until it gets moisture in it.

[Bettyboo]

^ Correct wearing a mask protects other.

Does noting for the wearer and is only good for about 20 mins until it gets moisture in it.

Masks are vital. Everyone should be wearing them.

Maybe, there's a relatively small effect of stopping you getting the virus, but it has a larger affect on people with the virus (who don't know the have it, or do know and don't care...) from spreading it to others.

I'm wearing a mask whenever I go out and cleaning my hands with medical alcohol often. When I get home, I clean my door handle, other areas, cloths and stuff - not crazy big cleans, but about 10 minutes of work everytime I get home. I'm not saying that it'll stop me getting the virus, but if everyone took these precautions then it would help stop the spread of the virus so far and wide.

[HermantheGerman]

Have you ever noticed what sharp dressers these medics are





Do flu doctors dress up like that?
The one below is a Biological Warfare suit designed by Chanel ?




Scary !

[NamPikToot]

The president of Mongolia is now in isolation for 14 days as he went to China to donate some sheep.

this thread is far too serious, thanks Mandy.

[Bettyboo]

So, F1 looks to be the safest seat on the plane. But, what happens when an infected person without a mask is sitting in E1???

Stupid graphic...

[David48atTD]

^ How does the communal use of the toilet factor into the above equation?

Window seat folk don't need to pee?

Everyone has to use that 'dirty' toilet handle.

[Chico]

Simple answer to the people Panicking,lock yourselves up,for the next few months.