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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    There's an indecent amount of politics involved it would seem.
    Please explain that to me

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    I believe BB may be alluding to possible political influences with respect to a countries' choice of vaccine for their general population.

    And, as usual, if one were given a clear pathway to " follow the money" that would probably be quickly confirmed.

    I tend to agree, strongly.

    I hope the helps helge.


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    ^^^

    So when the experts in my country after researching the blodtests taken before vaccination and after vaccination, comes to the conclusion that they can not recommend to continue with AZ, it is political or a money question ?

    Our Jannsen and AZ vaccines are paid for already and are now being offered to countries with less chickens.

    Political ?

    I've seen it mentioned here that the reason that some european countries was sceptical towards AZ, was that it is british, and therefore a payback for Brexit (it's also swedish owned and that would be a reason for boycott )

    It's simply too stupid

    It's very expensive not to have enough vaccines
    But it's a calculated cost

    Are we out to get the US also by putting Johnson on hold ?

    And at the same time using Phizer and Moderna ?



    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I tend to agree, strongly.
    If I was you, I'd drop the "strongly" part
    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I hope the helps helge.
    Not really


    If you had posted that there was a political reason for not using chinese or russian vaccines, I would have said...maybe


    But let's see

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    Thanks then, the edit is complete.

    All things would have to be looked at, one circumstance at a time.

    Per usual.

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    Good onya, Jacinda . .. better get countries, most with zero infections, vaccinated, just in case.

    A sound move. Logical even . . .

    Covid-19 vaccines from New Zealand will be rolled out in the Cook Islands from next week, the Government has confirmed.Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Associate Health and Foreign Affairs Minister Aupito Sio announced the roll-out will begin in the Cook Islands from May 19, followed by Niue and Tokelau.
    “This continues our ongoing commitment to support our Pacific neighbours through the increased challenges the Covid-19 pandemic is placing upon our region,” Mahuta said.

    RYAN ANDERSON/STUFF
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito Sio got vaccinated in South Auckland earlier this year.
    “New Zealand is working with the Realm countries to ensure that everything is in place for the countries to receive and administer safe and effective vaccines at the earliest possible time,” Sio added.



    The Cook Island’s roll-out is expected to take between six and eight weeks.
    In a statement, Cook Islands Prime Minister Mark Brown extended his “heartfelt gratitude” to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, the Government, and the people of New Zealand for the provision of the Pfizer vaccine.
    “With the support of the New Zealand government, we have managed to provide the Cook Islands with sufficient Pfizer vaccine to provide full coverage for all our eligible population,” he said.
    All residents in the Cook Islands over the age of 16 are eligible: “No one will miss out,” he said.
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    Cook Islands Prime Minister Mark Brown extended his “heartfelt gratitude” to New Zealand for the provision of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. (file photo)
    It is planned that all eligible Rarotonga residents will have received their first dose of vaccine by June 1.
    Vaccination will then commence on Aitutaki from June 2, followed by the rest of Pa Enua from June 28.
    The vaccine roll-out will start with frontline health staff and border workers, then hotel staff, before rolling out to the public “shortly after”.
    “We will be leading the way by asking our MPs and House of Ariki to be vaccinated as an example to our people,” he said.
    Brown said though vaccination is not mandatory, “I urge all of our people, all of our residents, to be vaccinated”.
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    Cook Islands’ tourism boss says the vaccine roll-out will add “another layer of comfort” for locals and visitors, as the bubble opens.
    “It is free. It is safe. It will save lives. It could save your life and the lives of your loved ones.”
    Cook Islands Tourism Corporation for Australasia general manager, Graeme West, said Covid-19 vaccinations will be one of the best things that’s happened there in 14 months.
    West said rolling out the vaccine at the same time as the borders open is the “icing on the cake”, and represents a significant change of fortune for the nation.
    The vaccine will add “another layer of comfort” for both locals and visitors, he said.
    “It will allow Cook Islanders to fully embrace the reality of welcoming visitors. And it will assure visitors that their health and safety is being taken very seriously.”
    ROBERT KITCHIN/STUFF
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced further support for the Pacific nations pandemic response on Thursday.
    Over the coming year, New Zealand will provide enough doses for at least 1.2 million people in the Pacific. This won’t impact New Zealand’s planned domestic roll-out, which includes 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, enough for 5 million people.
    Mahuta explained this close working relationship with New Zealand’s Pacific neighbours will create a further line of defence against the pandemic for the entire region.
    Samoa, Tonga and Tuvalu have already started vaccinations with doses from the global Covax facility. The New Zealand Government will provide doses from its own portfolio to fully cover the populations.
    Fiji has also accepted 250,000 AstraZeneca doses donated from New Zealand, provided the vaccine receives approval from Medsafe.
    TED S. WARREN/AP
    New Zealand wil provide enough doses of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for at least 1.2 million people in the Pacific, starting with the Cook Islands from next week.
    The Government is also giving $4 million to help fund Papua New Guinea’s vaccine roll-out, medical equipment for a Covid-19 field hospital in Port Moresby, and logistical air support to get health staff, personal protective equipment (PPE), and vaccines to remote parts of the country.
    An additional $120m in Official Development Assistance has also been reprioritised to support Pacific economies this year.
    “The economic disruption affecting many countries in the Pacific, particularly those that have tourism-focused economies, is unprecedented. This funding will be used by our Pacific neighbours to help households get through this crisis, and support businesses to manage the uncertainty of closed borders,” Mahuta said.
    Covid-19: Cook Islands vaccine roll-out starting next week with doses from NZ | Stuff.co.nz
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    Well it is getting closer.
    After a year or so of being in a covid free zone - rural Thailand what much of the rest of the world has been experiencing is edging closer.
    I have had 3 visits form the village health volunteers in recent weeks to obtain my details in order to receive an unnamed vaccine at a unnamed date in the future probably next month.
    Today a 'roadblock' of sorts was erected on the exit road of the village. The purpose being to check the temperature of everyone entering and leaving the village.
    They are doing this apparently in a few nearby villages as a small (so far) outbreak of Covid has been detected 2-3 villages over.
    Hopefully this will not extend to full lockdown as has happened in the odd village in the province.
    I will need to keep a closer eye on where the kids go out to play each day. When not working I rarely leave the house

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    Blood Expert Says He Found Why Some Covid-19 Vaccines Trigger Rare Clots


    A scientist in Germany thinks he has found an answer as researchers around world examine AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson shots


    Scientists world-wide are racing to understand why Covid-19 vaccines from AstraZeneca AZN +1.20% PLC and Johnson & Johnson JNJ +0.87% are causing rare but potentially deadly blood clots.


    Determining the connection would help patients, doctors and health agencies better assess any risks posed by the vaccines and safely calibrate their use. In recent weeks, the U.S., the Canadian province of Ontario and several European countries including Norway and Denmark either paused or completely halted rollouts involving these vaccines.


    “Understanding the cause is of highest importance for the next-generation vaccines, because [the novel] coronavirus will stay with us and vaccination will likely become seasonal,” said Eric van Gorp, a professor at Erasmus University in the Netherlands who heads a group of scientists studying the condition.

    In Germany, one researcher thinks he has found what is triggering the clots. Andreas Greinacher, a blood expert, and his team at the University of Greifswald believe so-called viral vector vaccines—which use modified harmless cold viruses, known as adenoviruses, to convey genetic material into vaccine recipients to fight the coronavirus—could cause an autoimmune response that leads to blood clots. According to Prof. Greinacher, that reaction could be tied to stray proteins and a preservative he has found in the AstraZeneca vaccine.

    MORE Blood Expert Says He Found Why Some Covid-19 Vaccines Trigger Rare Clots - WSJ

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    [QUOTE=misskit;4258134]he U.S., the Canadian province of Ontario and several European countries including Norway and Denmark either paused or completely halted rollouts involving these vaccines.
    [/QUOTE

    And not just Ontario but pretty much the rest of the country with only two exceptions, one being B.C.
    We are being led to believe that the AstraZeneca jab is considerably more prone to causing blood clots than the other options.
    We are also informed that there has been a considerable increase in the number of reports of the clotting incidents (with the AstraZeneca) both here and throughout Europe.
    I'll being keeping a close eye on the situation going forward in the UK in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    We are being led to believe that the AstraZeneca jab is considerably more prone to causing blood clots than the other options.
    The blood cloths are rare.

    They are not the concern

    Pay attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    I've seen it mentioned here that the reason that some european countries was sceptical towards AZ, was that it is british, and therefore a payback for Brexit (it's also swedish owned and that would be a reason for boycott )
    I think that the EU is/was very annoyed (to put it mildly) with AZ over it's preferential treatment of the UK over the EU . ...AZ made them look bad, and some of this might be Payback.
    Once AZ was scrutinized in the EU over the blood clot issue, other countries had to also investigate the claim or risk negative political exposure if it was true. Once that genie was out of the bottle , it is hard to put it back.

    PS: I wonder what percentage of vaccinated Britons, are vaccinated with AZ and what percentage of them developed Blood clots. I googled the query but could not find an answer.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I think that the EU is/was very annoyed (to put it mildly) with AZ over it's preferential treatment of the UK over the EU
    The vaccines were ordered and paid for..and not delivered whereas vaccines went from the EU to the UK. Or so I heard it
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    .AZ made them look bad
    Looked incompetent
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Once AZ was scrutinized in the EU over the blood clot issue, other countries had to also investigate the claim or risk negative political exposure if it was true.
    For sure. Wouldn't you have a look ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Once that genie was out of the bottle , it is hard to put it back.
    No

    And right now, that is not the issue.

    AZ does not work like other vaccines
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    I wonder what percentage of vaccinated Britons, are vaccinated with AZ and what percentage of them developed Blood clots.
    Don't know
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I googled the query but could not find an answer.
    I tried too for a minute

    Same result


    But let them eat their cake

    (didn't mean that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    No

    And right now, that is not the issue.

    AZ does not work like other vaccines
    They say that "possession is 9/10ths of the law" I beg to differ, perception is 9/10ths of the law.
    Regardless of if you are innocent or guilty, if a jury perceives you to be guilty your ass is toast.
    In this case the jury is the public, and regardless of the facts, AZ is toast.
    And in a way it has made the case for the Anti-Vaxxers. I was in my wife's village yesterday, at my wife's parents food store, which is located walks away from the village meeting place. My wife said. "you see over there? you can register for the vaccine there. No one is going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    In this case the jury is the public, and regardless of the facts, AZ is toast.
    No and no

    The result are not in yet

    But from what I hear it does not look too good


    This is,again, not about politics.

    We want to get vaccinated


    But ..I'll give you this:
    I personally do hold a grudge against my former friends in the UK

    Are they to be trusted ?
    Hmm

    Might forgive but not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    No and no

    The result are not in yet

    But from what I hear it does not look too good
    It is not good for AZ because people chose other brands, or simply chose not to be vaccinated.
    and it is not good for the people because , they have bad information, and it leads them to make bad decisions,and in the end it will cost lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    , they have bad information, and it leads them to make bad decisions,and in the end it will cost lives.
    OK

    I'll end this with a disagreement then
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    It is not good for AZ because people chose other brands
    It's a 3 minute thinghy, mate

    You don't get to choose from the shelves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    In this case the jury is the public, and regardless of the facts, AZ is toast.
    Nonsense, again.

    Seriously - go canvas people in KK and ask them if they'd turn their noses up at AZ vaccine.

    Travel doesn't seem to dampen your appetite for very silly generalisations.

    And it may be hard for you to get the N. American section of your brain around it, but the AZ vaccine wasn't created to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Travel doesn't seem to dampen your appetite for very silly generalisations.
    Oh for gods sake please do get over yourself you silly old bint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    you silly old bint.
    Surely if I fell into that category you'd be sending me billets-doux via this forum?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    regardless of the facts, AZ is toast.
    And in a way it has made the case for the Anti-Vaxxers. I was in my wife's village yesterday, at my wife's parents food store, which is located walks away from the village meeting place. My wife said. "you see over there? you can register for the vaccine there. No one is going?
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    It is not good for AZ because people chose other brands, or simply chose not to be vaccinated.
    and it is not good for the people because , they have bad information, and it leads them to make bad decisions,and in the end it will cost lives.

    I think you are getting carried away Buck. The residents of Samui and Phuket were more than happy to line up for the Astra jab, and tens of thousands were inoculated. They want and need more vaccine. Plus I for one have not heard of or seen any evidence of complaints at all.




    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Oh for gods sake please do get over yourself you silly old bint.
    After your realization that you dont know PB from Natalie, and were totally out of line yesterday I dont think you should be calling anyone a silly bint. You called me senile when you were the one confused Russell. The posters here are now well aware of where you are coming from..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Surely if I fell into that category you'd be sending me billets-doux via this forum?
    Given your struggles with simple English perhaps give the French a rest.

    Anyway, any idea of the Co-Vid situation in Kenya.

    I shudder to think of the situation in Africa as this moves forward.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    It is not good for AZ because people chose other brands, or simply chose not to be vaccinated.
    and it is not good for the people because , they have bad information, and it leads them to make bad decisions,and in the end it will cost lives.
    Some thoughtful points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    The posters here are now well aware of where you are coming from..
    Hence his childish lashing out.

    Move on, russ. You're better than tha...oh actually no, you're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “Understanding the cause is of highest importance for the next-generation vaccines, because [the novel] coronavirus will stay with us and vaccination will likely become seasonal,” said Eric van Gorp, a professor at Erasmus University in the Netherlands who heads a group of scientists studying the condition.
    Yup, unfortunately true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Nonsense, again.

    Seriously - go canvas people in KK and ask them if they'd turn their noses up at AZ vaccine.

    Travel doesn't seem to dampen your appetite for very silly generalisations.

    And it may be hard for you to get the N. American section of your brain around it, but the AZ vaccine wasn't created to make money.
    A few people hardly make a generalization. I simply reported my experience. My sister in Italy, went to get vaccinated, saw that they had AZ and left, she told me she was not the only one who was leaving. She went back until they had the Moderna , I think she said, she might have said Pfizer. Same thing three people I know in Greece, they all declined until they got the Pfizer. As far as Thailand is concerned I made no mention of what vaccine they were signing up , simply that no one in the village was signing up (I was told ) and I mentioned that as an indication that from all the negative reporting people were losing confidence in all vaccines, and it will end up costing lives.
    As far as what AZ was created for, Creation and production are two different things, I am sure AZ is not doing the production for the good of their soul ,as far as I know Astrazeneca a publicly traded , for profit company .

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    Buriram makes Covid vaccines compulsory for high-risk groups

    Buriram ordered people in high-risk groups to take coronavirus vaccine or face fine and jail time, the province announced this week.
    The official order was annouced Thursday night.
    The governor of each province has the authority to introduce Covid-prevention and restriction measures as they deem appropriate, according to the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), formed under the power of the state-of-emergency decree.
    Buriram Governor Tatchakorn Hatthathayakulorderís order states that every citizen over the age of 18 who lives and works in the province must fill an offline or online self-evaluation form and hand it in to the local health authority.
    The local authority will then determine whether the person is considered to be at risk of Covid-19 infection.
    If the person as considered to be at risk, they will have to be vaccinated on the date and time that the authority designates.
    Refusal to fill the self-evaluation form can incur a fine of no more than 10,000 baht or jail for no more than one month.
    A violator who refuses to be vaccinated could face a fine of no more than 40,000 baht or jail for no more than two years.

    Buriram makes Covid vaccines compulsory for high-risk groups - Thai Enquirer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    In this case the jury is the public, and regardless of the facts, AZ is toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I simply reported my experience.
    ......

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