The COVID-2019 Thread

[Troy]

Interesting that EU countries have been banning, flop flopping over ages and banning again when the real numbers are....just makes you wonder how many have died of COVID whilst they de-risk their citizens from such horrific numbers.

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UK occurrences have risen to 30, reported today apparently. What hasn't been reported is if they had any common illness. The woman I mentioned before was being treated for heart disease.

[taxexile]

30 in 18 million is not statistically significant.

[strigils]

The vaccine passport proposal in the UK is facing headwinds, a lot of talk on radio 4 from immigration charities saying it will marginalise communites where there is low vaccine uptake....we'll get the fooking jab then - no sympathy here.

Coronavirus: Dozens of MPs criticise 'divisive' Covid passports

Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and senior Tory Iain Duncan Smith are among more than 70 MPs to launch a campaign opposing Covid passports in England.

Any demand to prove vaccination status to access jobs, businesses or services would be "divisive and discriminatory", the cross-party group said.

It comes as the Daily Telegraph reported that a series of pilot tests for Covid passports were being planned.

The government said no final decision had been made on Covid certificates.

A review is taking place into whether such a system could help to reopen the economy in England, with discussions also taking place across the devolved nations.

But the plan could "scupper things" for hospitality venues who are trying to reopen, Emma McClarkin, chief executive of the British Beer and Pub Association, told BBC Breakfast.

Certification could involve people being either vaccinated, having had a recent negative test or having previously been infected, the PM said.

Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said vaccine passports could also be used as a "tool in the short term" to reopen theatres and sports stadiums.

But a broad coalition of MPs and peers have now signed a pledge saying they "oppose the divisive and discriminatory use of Covid status certification to deny individuals access to general services, businesses or jobs".

The group contains some unlikely allies, with many of Mr Corbyn's former shadow cabinet joining the lockdown-sceptic Covid Research Group of Conservative MPs in backing the campaign.

Accusing the government of "creeping authoritarianism", Liberal Democrats leader Sir Ed Davey said: "As we start to get this virus properly under control we should start getting our freedoms back. Vaccine passports - essentially Covid ID cards - take us in the other direction."

Sir Graham Brady, who chairs the 1922 Committee of backbench Tory MPs, added: "With high levels of vaccination protecting the vulnerable and making transmission less likely, we should aim to return to normal life, not to put permanent restrictions in place."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56605598

[Buckaroo Banzai]

[Q
UOTE=strigils;4239473]Coronavirus: Dozens of MPs criticise 'divisive' Covid passports[/QUOTE]
Not unlike here in America. Just politics.
I the opposition is for it, you find reasons to be ageist it. If the opposition is against it then they are all for it.
and it is true for both sides .
The truth of the matter is that there is a vaccination process, the process needs to be recorded and managed, and those records need to be safe from misuse and corruption, and easily transportable among jurisdictions so that they can all manage their covid related affairs'.

everything else is noise and politics. It is designed to transfer power from one side to the other. Unfortunately
Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

[harrybarracuda]

Coronavirus: Dozens of MPs criticise 'divisive' Covid passports

Not unlike here in America. Just politics.
I the opposition is for it, you find reasons to be ageist it. If the opposition is against it then they are all for it.
and it is true for both sides .
The truth of the matter is that there is a vaccination process, the process needs to be recorded and managed, and those records need to be safe from misuse and corruption, and easily transportable among jurisdictions so that they can all manage their covid related affairs'.

everything else is noise and politics. It is designed to transfer power from one side to the other. Unfortunately
Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

Your vaccine passport has to be tied to your identity to allow you into Thailand.

No-one minds having their identity visible as they cross borders.

Bit different when you are just popping down the Nags Head for a pint.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Your vaccine passport has to be tied to your identity to allow you into Thailand.

No-one minds having their identity visible as they cross borders.

Bit different when you are just popping down the Nags Head for a pint.

True .

But if a document is to be affectively applied to an individual it must contain information about that individual , other wise it would be worthless.
It could easily become a communal vaccine certificate, where as you leaving the pub, you give it to the next person waiting to come in.
" Here you go bud, after you done with it, please return it to me, I need it to go to the massage parlor tomorrow" LOL

[strigils]

^ & ^^ i very much doubt Abdul Ali and his 14 year old wife who's sufferred FGM will be going to Wetherspoons for a pie and a pint, but the thick fuker will at all costs avoid the jab because his Imam with and IQ 42 has told him that if he has the jab the infidels will be able to see what ISIS U toob chanel he's been tuning into.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

^ & ^^ i very much doubt Abdul Ali and his 14 year old wife who's sufferred FGM will be going to Wetherspoons for a pie and a pint, but the thick fuker will at all costs avoid the jab because his Imam with and IQ 42 has told him that if he has the jab the infidels will be able to see what ISIS U toob chanel he's been tuning into.

Yea Here in Florida we have a lot of these OSIS Abdulas, and they must have the same Imam. Though I suspect their Imam might be a trump supporter, "cause There is one a couple of streets away from me, and he has a "Fuck Biden" flag in front of his house. I am sure he ill, about wearing face masks and vaccinating.

[strigils]

You should watch "Carry on up the Kyber", they don't like it up em' you know, didn't Greek men wear skirts like the Scots?

[Buckaroo Banzai]

The latest from the Thai Embassy un Washington DC

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It says "1.2.1 vaccines must be vaccinated by the Ministry of Health of Thailand. " what ever that means

and the first Vaccine is..
"(1) Nephew "??? Is that a new vaccine developed and sold by the nephew of the minister of Health?

Royal Thai Embassy, Washington D.C. - Home | Facebook

[cyrille]

It must be the way you tell 'em

[Troy]

30 in 18 million is not statistically significant.

Not disagreeing with you. The problem is more to do with people not wanting to get vaccinated with AZ because of the bad publicity. Therefore it is worth finding out if there is a common link between those that have suffered blood clotting side effects.

The linked article was suggesting an increased risk to younger women.

Blood Clots and the AZ Vaccine, Revisited | In the Pipeline

[strigils]

^ But Troy, halting whole country roll outs of a vaccine and flip flopping like the EU has done is statistically ridiculous and these idiots have undermined an effective vaccine as a result and may well have caused more deaths than not halting its use.

[harrybarracuda]

^ But Troy, halting whole country roll outs of a vaccine and flip flopping like the EU has done is statistically ridiculous and these idiots have undermined an effective vaccine as a result and may well have caused more deaths than not halting its use.

It's just fucking stupid that they are blocking its export on the one hand and refusing to give it in Europe.

The Aussies could be well into their vaccination campaign by now if it wasn't for these eurotrash wankers.

There is no reason to stop vaccinating. The (not even proven to be related) blood clots are easily treated.

As I've said before, the fucking pill causes more clots than this vaccine does.

[strigils]

^ its worse, the little wankers in Holland refused to fund their plant to build AZ capacity, the UK gave funding instead, now the EU are blocking output from the plant to the UK. You cannot make this shit up. Seekingass all the while and the other remainers continue to remain siltent on their blocks incomptetence....

[Buckaroo Banzai]

^ its worse, the little wankers in Holland refused to fund their plant to build AZ capacity, the UK gave funding instead, now the EU are blocking output from the plant to the UK. You cannot make this shit up. Seekingass all the while and the other remainers continue to remain siltent on their blocks incomptetence....

If the brexiteers are stupid enough to want to fund research at a block the want to leave, who are we to stop them?

[strigils]

who are wee to stop them?

I take it you are currently in the USA and pissing yourself, i deduce this from the fact that a. you are not European but American, b. Claim to be from Grweek descent, c cannot type English, d Make Snub look intelligent.

Bogon Tip #656

Leave Amelica before your mental health deteriorates futher.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

I take it you are currently in the USA and pissing yourself, i deduce this from the fact that a. you are not European but American, b. Claim to be from Grweek descent, c cannot type English, d Make Snub look intelligent.

Bogon Tip #656

Leave Amelica before your mental health deteriorates futher.

That all might be true, but I notice you did not argue with the thesis of my post, so I am just going to assume that you agree with me.

[strigils]

^What, that the UK pre-loaded funding for AZ vaccine development including supply infrastucture the EU woulld not fund, and now the committee is tossing its toys out the pram and lashing out due to their own incompetence that the UK should suffer as a result?

You ask me your Mrs is right and you need to start on the chicken feet, given the last two days posts, i'd say several kilos.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

^What, that the UK pre-loaded funding for AZ vaccine development including supply infrastucture the EU woulld not fund,

You ask me your Mrs is right and you need to start on the chicken feet, given the last two days posts, i'd say several kilos.

No because as you said " Holland refused to fund their plant to build AZ capacity, the UK gave funding instead" so if what you claim about the mental regenerative properties of chicken feet is right , you might also want to give them a try. I'll ask the wife to make some extra

[lom]

its worse, the little wankers in Holland refused to fund their plant to build AZ capacity, the UK gave funding instead, now the EU are blocking output from the plant to the UK

UK funding was €25M while EU paid $396M in end of August 2020 as an advance payment for 300M vaccine doses to be delivered before end of June 2021.
Advance payment by EU (and other countries outside of Europe) is for one simple reason - so the manufacturers can build up their production capacity.
EU will only get 30% of these doses because AZ has not been able to solve production problems in their two factories within EU but that is AZ problems and something AZ should rectify and solve in a honorable way, it is their reputation as a medicine manufacturing company that is at stake.

[Klondyke]

AstraZeneca Changes Name of Vaccine
The European Medicines Agency approved the change on March 25.

March 31, 2021
This article was translated from our Spanish edition using AI technologies. Errors may exist due to this process.

The British-Swedish pharmaceutical AstraZeneca announced that the COVID-19 vaccine, in conjunction with the British University of Oxford, has been renamed Vaxzevria.

As reported in The Brussels Times, the name change was approved on March 25 following a request from the company and was announced on the website of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and that of the Swedish National Medicines Agency (Läkemedelsverket).

The new name does not imply a change in the formula of the vaccine, according to the Läkemedelsverket, but there will be a new labeling and packaging of the drug.

For its part, the EMA recalled that the Vaxzevria vaccine is safe in people over 18 years of age, but that it has reduced its effectiveness from 79 to 76 percent.

AstraZeneca Changes Name of Vaccine

[Klondyke]

Interesting that - as per some older sources - medical errors, mistakes, are the third most common cause of death.
However, it seems that in the last years there have been no such occurrences...

[harrybarracuda]

^ & ^^ i very much doubt Abdul Ali and his 14 year old wife who's sufferred FGM will be going to Wetherspoons for a pie and a pint, but the thick fuker will at all costs avoid the jab because his Imam with and IQ 42 has told him that if he has the jab the infidels will be able to see what ISIS U toob chanel he's been tuning into.

Which is a bit silly. Muslims are queuing up to get vaccinated here in the sandpit. I misplaced my vaccination book * so I went on Thursday to pick up another one, and vaccinations are still in full flow.

* Probably don't need it but you only need the one retarded Swampy immigration douchebag who makes it up as he goes along.

[harrybarracuda]

Real-world data shows vaccines kicking butt—including against scary variant

In a small trial, the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine fully protected people from symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the worrisome B.1.351 coronavirus variant widely circulating in South Africa, the companies announced in a press release.

Though researchers will need more data to confirm the result, it is just the latest bit of positive news to come out this week about how the vaccines are performing with real-world conditions and in real-world settings.

On Monday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released real-world data showing that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine and Moderna mRNA vaccine were, collectively, 90 percent effective at preventing infections in fully vaccinated health care, frontline, and essential workers.

On Wednesday, Pfizer and BioNtech announced that their vaccine is highly effective in adolescents 12- to 15-years old—not just the adult part of the population. And on Thursday, the companies announced the B.1.351 news as well as new data on durability. That is, the latest monitoring data on people vaccinated in a Phase III trial suggests the vaccine is still 91 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease up to six months after the second dose. That’s longer efficacy than was previously established, but researchers will need more data still to assess efficacy beyond six months.

“The bottom line message is that vaccines work very well in the real-world setting,” top infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci said in a White House COVID-19 press briefing Friday. “They work against variants, although we need further data to confirm that. They are durable for at least six months and they work in adolescents. Very, very good reason for everyone to get vaccinated as soon as its becomes available to you.”

While all the data is good news, the variant data is particularly heartening. Numerous laboratory experiments have suggested that antibodies produced by vaccines are less potent at knocking back some of the variants, particularly B.1.351. But according to the new data released by Pfizer and BioNTech, their mRNA vaccine showed “efficacy of 100 percent.”

The assertion is based on data from 800 trial participants who live in South Africa, where B.1.351 is widely circulating. Among the 800 participants, there were nine cases of COVID-19, all of which were in people who had received a placebo. Of those nine cases, genetic analysis found that six of them were caused by the B.1.351 variant.

The numbers are small, Fauci noted in today’s press briefing. However, “they showed in the setting of the troublesome B.1.351 South African variant there were six cases in the placebo [group] and zero in the vaccinated group, strongly suggesting the efficacy of the vaccines that we’re using now against problematic variants.”

Nevertheless, earlier this week, the National Institutes of Health announced that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) has begun a clinical trial of a tweaked version of the Moderna vaccine, which is specifically designed to target the B.1.351 variant. At the time, Fauci, who is the director of the NIAID, said that the trial was being done “out of an abundance of caution.”

With the variant data and the durability findings, Pfizer and BioNTech are now moving to apply to have the vaccine fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration. Currently, the regulatory agency has only granted an Emergency Use Authorization, which is a classification issued during public health emergencies and bypasses the need for the normal amount of data used to secure a full approval. EUAs expire once the emergency is over.

“These data confirm the favorable efficacy and safety profile of our vaccine and position us to submit a Biologics License Application to the US FDA,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in the release. “The high vaccine efficacy observed through up to six months following a second dose and against the variant prevalent in South Africa provides further confidence in our vaccine’s overall effectiveness.”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...scary-variant/