The COVID-2019 Thread

[Joe 90]

Over 110.000 dead

It's not over yet and won't be for a long time with all these variants.

This is something the world has gonna have to learn to live with.

[jabir]

I've never mentioned throwaway but I for one will wait for vaccine from Moderna or Phizer, it's not that I'm in a hurry to get a shot.
It would also not surprise me if the Chinese vaccine will give better result than AstraZeneca's disappointing figures.

Unless it becomes compulsory, in which case I would delay as long as poss, my family will wait for some later version that hopefully will be better than what I view as fast tracked prototypes.

[cyrille]

the UK is only now looking at travellers moving to government managed quarantine

And having taken an age to come around to the idea, it's taking them an age to implement it.

The health secretary ('door' matt hancock) is talking about ten years in jail for people who don't comply. Unfortunately he doesn't have any actual law to back that up.

More importantly though, why doesn't the self-important pipsqueak focus on his actual job?

over 110.000 Brits have died, partly because of incredible bungling by the politicians - in this case you have to lay the blame at Boris' feet . . . irrespective of one's leanings

Tell that to the tory fanboys on here, though.

[Latindancer]

The world’s closest known relative to the Covid-19 virus was found in 2013 by Chinese scientists in an abandoned mine where it was linked to deaths caused by a coronavirus-type respiratory illness.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...aled-l5vxt7jqp

[harrybarracuda]

The world’s closest known relative to the Covid-19 virus was found in 2013 by Chinese scientists in an abandoned mine where it was linked to deaths caused by a coronavirus-type respiratory illness.


Revealed: Seven year coronavirus trail from mine deaths to a Wuhan lab | News | The Sunday Times

A 50% death rate. Let's hope the chinkies don't cover up an outbreak of that one!

[OhOh]

my family will wait for some later version that hopefully will be better than what I view as fast tracked prototypes.

That will mean you are not able to boast of taking an unknown drug, with dubious efficiency against a mutating enemy.

Shame on you.

Some of course welcome the order from head office to absolve them from making a decision themselves.

[Klondyke]

A 50% death rate. Let's hope the chinkies don't cover up an outbreak of that one!

Perhaps that's why the Serbia chose their vaccine, after BioNTech/Pfizer, Russian Sputnik V, also Chinese Sinopharm?
Now they are after UK the most vaccinated in Europe per capita (7%).

And Hungary, Czech and Austria are going also for the Russian and Chinese vaccines...

[Latindancer]

116-year-old nun survives COVID-19


PARIS -- Whether it was the power of her prayers or her T-cells that did it, 116-year-old French nun Lucile Randon has survived COVID-19.
The nun, whose religious name is Sister Andre, is the second-oldest known living person in the world, according to the Gerontology Research Group, which validates details of people believed to be aged 110 or older.

French media report that the nun, whose religious name is Sister Andre, tested positive for the virus in mid-January in the southern French city of Toulon. But just three weeks later she is fit as a fiddle - albeit it in her regular wheelchair. She is even healthy enough to look forward to her 117th birthday on Thursday.


She told Var-Matin newspaper “I didn't even realize I had it.”

Sister Andre, who is blind, did not even worry when she heard the news of diagnosis.
“She didn't ask me about her health, but about her habits,” David Tavella, the communications manager for the care home where she lives, told the paper. “For example, she wanted to know if meal or bedtime schedules would change. She showed no fear of the disease. On the other hand, she was very concerned about the other residents.”

Not all shared Sister Andre's luck: In January, 81 of the 88 residents of the facility tested positive and about 10 died, according to the newspaper.
The nun is now reportedly officially cured - she was allowed to attend Mass.




Was it T-cells or prayer? 116-year-old nun survives COVID-19 | CTV News

[harrybarracuda]

No doubt the power of prayer.

[harrybarracuda]

Seems to me to be a bit of a schoolboy error.

Japan to discard millions of Pfizer vaccine doses because it has wrong syringes

Japan to discard millions of Pfizer vaccine doses because it has wrong syringes | Japan | The Guardian

[harrybarracuda]

I did a bit of a double take.

Biontech starts vaccine production in Marburg

(Translation from: Biontech startet Impfstoffproduktion in Marburg - WELT I'm sure the bogan boche can fill in the details ).

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Seems to me to be a bit of a schoolboy error.



Japan to discard millions of Pfizer vaccine doses because it has wrong syringes | Japan | The Guardian

Misleading title.
They don't have the correct syringes and as a consequence they will be getting 5 doses instead of 6 out of each bottle. resulting in a 1/6th loss. They are not descarding anything. I am sure they are in the process of getting the correct syringes. We had the same problem here in the US, and resolved it with more efficient syringes,

[strigils]

It appears the WHO does not agree with the EU, not that either side have covered themselves in glory over the whole COVID affair; WHO cosying up to Xi and the EU striking out at other countries vaccine success to try to deflect from its own failures. Something obviously not noticed by SeekingareturntotheEU as he has remained (as is usual where it doesn't work in his favour) remarkably silent - perhaps he has not rehearsed a narrative to trot out endlessly. Anyway this from the Beeb.

Covid: WHO backs Oxford vaccine 'even if variants present'

The World Health Organization recommends using the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca even in countries tackling new variants of coronavirus.

Some new forms of the virus appear to make vaccines less effective.

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65, which some countries have advised against.

Spacing out the two doses, as is happening in the UK, makes the vaccine more effective, it advises.

The Oxford vaccine is seen as the "vaccine for the world" as it is cheap, can be mass produced and is stored in a standard fridge.

However, it has attracted controversy about its effectiveness against new variants, whether it should be used in the elderly and how far apart the doses should be given, due to a lack of data.

The WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization, known as Sage, has been scrutinising evidence from vaccine trials.

Its interim recommendations say the vaccine is 63% effective overall.

However, early data from trials in South Africa showed the vaccine was offering "minimal protection" against mild and moderate disease in young people.

The WHO's director of immunisation, Dr Katherine O'Brien, said the South African study was "inconclusive" and it was "plausible" the vaccine would still prevent severe disease.

A variant in the country has acquired mutations that seem to help it evade immunity from vaccines and from previous infections.

However Oxford scientists still expect their vaccine to prevent people from becoming seriously ill with Covid-19 and needing hospital treatment.

"There is no reason not to recommend its use even in countries that have circulation of the variant," said Dr Alejandro Cravioto, the chairman of WHO's Sage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56011981

[harrybarracuda]

Misleading title.
They don't have the correct syringes and as a consequence they will be getting 5 doses instead of 6 out of each bottle. resulting in a 1/6th loss. They are not descarding anything. I am sure they are in the process of getting the correct syringes. We had the same problem here in the US, and resolved it with more efficient syringes,

What is misleading?

They have the wrong syringes.

That means throwing away millions of doses they can't use.

[Latindancer]

Nothing is getting thrown away....it's getting squirted into peoples' arms.

Wasted, perhaps.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Fully vaccinated people can skip Covid quarantines, CDC says
This id the US CDC.

"People who have been fully vaccinated against coronavirus -- right now that means with two doses of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine -- can skip quarantine if they are exposed to someone infected with the virus, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. "
Fully vaccinated people can skip Covid quarantines, CDC says - CNN

[lom]

Its interim recommendations say the vaccine is 63% effective overall.

Spacing out the two doses, as is happening in the UK, makes the vaccine more effective, it advises.

One has to assume that the 63% is after the second jab otherwise they would have stated the higher number.
"Effective overall" doesn't impress me either since I am over 65 and could care less how good figures they can present for younger age groups.
AZ should come clear and stop this averaging which is based on a test group of persons 18-55 years old.

[harrybarracuda]

Nothing is getting thrown away....it's getting squirted into peoples' arms.

Wasted, perhaps.

Can you not read?

low “dead space” syringes – which have narrow plungers that can push out any leftover vaccine

[harrybarracuda]

One has to assume that the 63% is after the second jab otherwise they would have stated the higher number.
"Effective overall" doesn't impress me either since I am over 65 and could care less how good figures they can present for younger age groups.
AZ should come clear and stop this averaging which is based on a test group of persons 18-55 years old.

Just go for Pfizer or Moderna. Simples.

[Latindancer]

Can you not read?

Sure...I majored in English, including Shakespearean and Old (Chaucerian) English. I just couldn't be bothered too much sometimes.

[harrybarracuda]

Sure...I majored in English, including Shakespearean and Old (Chaucerian) English. I just couldn't be bothered too much sometimes.

"low “dead fpace” fyringef – which haveth narrow plungerf that can pufheth out any leftover vaccine"

[misskit]

Philippines to get China-donated vaccines this month for troops, medical staff | Reuters

[misskit]

Human vaccine trials to start in Thailand next month


THAILAND: Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul confirmed today (Feb 10) that Thailand will start clinical trials of a locally developed COVID-19 vaccine in March, the country’s first inoculation program to enter human trials.

Research on the program started in the middle of last year and initial testing on animals yielded positive results, Mr Anutin confirmed. The program is being driven by the Government Pharmaceutical Organisation, the Programme for Appropriate Technology in Health, and Mahidol University.


“Thailand isn’t just relying on one source for vaccines,” commented Mr Anutin.


Human vaccine trials to start in Thailand next month

[harrybarracuda]

“Thailand isn’t just relying on one source for vaccines,” commented Mr Anutin.

At the moment it doesn't seem to be relying on any of them.

[harrybarracuda]

Looks like the chinkies had a little word in the ear of some cases that could prove they had the Wuhan virus as far back as OCTOBER 2019.

As first reported by The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, good evidence suggests the COVID-19 virus was evident in Wuhan hospitalizations at least 90 days before the disease was first formally identified in Dec. 2019.

The Chinese Community Party (CCP) has been notably evasive in working with health experts and turned down the World Health Organization’s (WHO) urging to perform additional lab testing on blood samples collected in autumn 2019. It has also been pushing myriad cover stories about the virus’s outbreak, including that it originated in a wet market and came in from foreign countries in frozen food.

While Chinese authorities communicated that they recently performed antibody tests on two-thirds of the patients documented as having COVID-19-like symptoms 90 days before Dec. 2019, WHO investigators claim such antibodies would not necessarily be detectable long after.

Of the 92 patients who were tested for antibodies, a third are now deceased or “did not grant permission” to participate, and the remaining individuals tested negative for serology tests.

Bombshell Report: Evidence China Concealed COVID-19 In October 2019