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    ^ They should start vaccinating on Jan 20 and call it a Biden shot

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    "Thailand hopes to begin production and administration of AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine during the first 6 months of 2021. As part of a technology-transfer agreement signed by the Thai government, Siam Bioscience will be provided with the information for vaccine production. It then hopes to register the vaccine with Thailand’s Food and Drug Administration within the next 6 months.


    The pharmaceutical group hopes to manufacture sufficient doses for Thailand and its ASEAN neighbours during the first half of next year. Nation Thailand reports that the initial plan is to produce 26 million doses for 13 million Thais. It’s understood the company has the means to manufacture 180 – 200 million doses a year, or 15 million a month. Opas Karnkawinpong from Thailand’s Disease Control Department says the country will need around 2 million doses a month, with the rest being exported to neighbouring countries."

    Thailand eyes first half of 2021 for production of AstraZeneca vaccine | The Thaiger

    Suppose this is the one I will get when available.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Talking of Astrazeneca, it seems that the "90%" figure came from a mistake, where a section of trial subjects were wrongly given a half dose first followed by a full dose. Not everyone is falling for the optimism.


    The announcement this week that a cheap, easy-to-make coronavirus vaccine appeared to be up to 90 percent effective was greeted with jubilation. “Get yourself a vaccaccino,” a British tabloid celebrated, noting that the vaccine, developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford, costs less than a cup of coffee.

    But since unveiling the preliminary results, AstraZeneca has acknowledged a key mistake in the vaccine dosage received by some study participants, adding to questions about whether the vaccine’s apparently spectacular efficacy will hold up under additional testing.

    Scientists and industry experts said the error and a series of other irregularities and omissions in the way AstraZeneca initially disclosed the data have eroded their confidence in the reliability of the results.


    Officials in the United States have noted that the results were not clear. It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.


    The upshot, the experts said, is that the odds of regulators in the United States and elsewhere quickly authorizing the emergency use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are declining, an unexpected setback in the global campaign to corral the devastating pandemic.

    “I think that they have really damaged confidence in their whole development program,” said Geoffrey Porges, an analyst for the investment bank SVB Leerink.
    AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine After Admitting Mistake - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Talking of Astrazeneca, it seems that the "90%" figure came from a mistake, where a section of trial subjects were wrongly given a half dose first followed by a full dose.
    and the public can not be vaccinated in the same way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Talking of Astrazeneca, it seems that the "90%" figure came from a mistake, where a section of trial subjects were wrongly given a half dose first followed by a full dose. Not everyone is falling for the optimism.



    AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine After Admitting Mistake - The New York Times

    Overall, some could easily share the slight cynicism and cautious suspicions towards all the supposed successfully hurried vaccines [UK, US, China, et al] where questioning their true effectiveness - anywhere from 90 to 95 percent safe and efficacious - could be considered heresy. I believe within these fields of endeavors, the numbers are thought to be outstanding considering the very short time [10 months?] that they were developed for full public use. As we know, historically, solid vaccines take some 3-5 years to be created perfectly for safe public consumption.

    Not that we should be critical of the modern brilliance and development of these fields of study and whatnot, but shouldn't a number closer to 100 percent be celebrated more so than what they're all offering today? Shouldn't that be the base ideal - a sure and substantive viral prophylactic that might be morphed into the next generation of vaccines that combat the next generation of COVID-like strains?

    Today's climate demands that we want, and need to have, everything right now.

    And above all this shit, we throw the usual politics; corporate complexities; societal anxiety; and underlining profit motive into the mix as it applies to an already hurried and questionable process.
    Picturing a clusterfuck of blowback.

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    Virologist says it will be difficult for 40m Thais to get COVID-19 vaccine in 2021

    Thailand’s leading virologist Dr. Yong Pooworavan has admitted that it will be a challenge to get 60% of the Thai population, about 40 million people, vaccinated against COVID-19 next year because at least 80 million doses would be required.


    He predicted, however, that the COVID-19 situation in Thailand will ease next year, although it will remain in the country for up to 2 years, after which the contagion will transform into a seasonal infection, like the flu.


    He recommended Thai people adapt to the new normal by wearing face mask in public for, at least, another year, observe social distancing and cleanse their hands regularly with sanitizer.


    Dr. Yong disclosed that Thai doctors have used plasma,extracted from a patient who recovered from COVID-19, to treat a Swiss patient in state quarantine who developed pneumonia and was on a respirator, adding that, after about ten days of treatment, his condition has improved.


    He said that the Thai Red Cross Society has extracted about 600 bottles of serum from plasma, donated by people who have recovered from the contagion, and the serum will be used to treat severe COVID-19 cases.


    Meanwhile, the CCSA today recorded four new COVID-19 cases in Thailand.


    They include three Thai nationals, a 41-year old man returning from Mozambique, a 32-year old woman returning from the Philippines and a 55-year old woman returning from Russia. The fourth case is an Indian man arriving from India.


    Cumulative infections in Thailand, to date, are 3,926. Eight new recoveries were recorded today, bringing the total to 3,780.


    86 others are still being treated in hospitals.



    Virologist says it will be difficult for 40m Thais to get COVID-19 vaccine in 2021 | Thai PBS World : The latest Thai news in English, News Headlines, World News and News Broadcasts in both Thai and English. We bring Thailand to the world

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    ‘The darkest days in modern American medical history’ are coming after Thanksgiving: doctors

    Doctors around the country are warning about a medical nightmare that they expect to hit after Thanksgiving as novel coronavirus infections are projected to surge to new highs.


    Dr. Joseph Varon, the chief of staff at Houston’s United Memorial Medical Center, told CNN that he fears the American medical system cannot handle another massive influx of COVID-19 patients that he expects to come throughout the holiday season.

    “My concerns for the next six to 12 weeks is that if we don’t do things right, America is going to see the darkest days in modern American medical history,” he said. “My hospital is full. I just opened two new wings so that I can accommodate for the next few days, because I know that a lot of people are going to get sick after Thanksgiving.”

    Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, similarly told CNN that he fears the holiday season will have a cascading effect that will crush American hospitals.

    “I worry that the Thanksgiving Day surge will then just add into what will become the Christmas surge, which will then make this one seem as if it wasn’t so bad,” he said. “We have to understand we’re in a very dangerous place. People have to stop swapping air.”

    ‘The darkest days in modern American medical history’ are coming after Thanksgiving: doctors – Raw Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    They include three Thai nationals, a 41-year old man returning from Mozambique, a 32-year old woman returning from the Philippines and a 55-year old woman returning from Russia. The fourth case is an Indian man arriving from India.
    It's to be expected that there are more Thai citizens, as there is no requirement for them to be tested prior to returning home.

    I winder what the % of foreigners, who do require testing, are being found to be positive during their stay in the Thai ASQ hotels. Or arrived on the planes with the Thai positive returnees.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    and the public can not be vaccinated in the same way?
    That's not the point.

    The point is that it skews the data for the full test population, and because the group in question is so small, there is no guarantee that it reflects the overall efficacy of that particular dosing on a much larger group.

    Scientists and industry experts said the error and a series of other irregularities and omissions in the way AstraZeneca initially disclosed the data have eroded their confidence in the reliability of the results.
    Added, to make it make it worse:

    It has now emerged the smaller group of less than 3,000 out of 24,000 trial participants on the half-dose-full-dose regime - which recorded the 90% effectiveness rate - were all under 55.
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    Not too late to pull out then. Unless the cake tins are already arranged.

    A forward contract to acquire a Covid-19 vaccine that can be produced locally will be signed on Friday, marking the next step forward in the battle against the virus, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said on Thursday.

    Covid-19 vaccine purchase contract to be signed Friday

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    An interesting read about the ChAdOx1 (Oxford/Astrazeneca) vaccine.

    It isn't something that they started working on this year. Scientists anticipated "Disease X" and built what they call a "plug and play" vaccine so they could just drop in the bits that are needed for a particular virus, starting in 2016.

    They had already tested it on 330 patients for 'flu, Zika, Chikungunya and Prostate Cancer.

    ChAdOx1 is in essence a sophisticated, microscopic postman. All the scientists have to do is change the package.


    "We drop it in and off we go," said Prof Gilbert.

    But it looks as though they are going to do a new Phase III Trial in view of the mucked up results from the current one.

    Oxford vaccine: How did they make it so quickly? - BBC News

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    14 New Cases of Covid-19 Confirmed in Laos

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    The National Taskforce for Covid-19 Prevention and Control has announced that Laos has confirmed 14 new cases of Covid-19.
    According to a statement by Lao Deputy Minister of Health, Dr. Phouthone Muongpak, the 14 new cases included passengers returning from India and Russia on 20 November. All 14 individuals tested positive for Covid-19 while under quarantine in Vientiane.

    The 14 cases include one Lao citizen and 13 foreigners, who each received a positive test result for the virus on 21 November after entering quarantine.
    They arrived in Vientiane via Wattay International Airport on 20 November and went straight into quarantine. They initially received a negative test result on the day of their arrival.

    A 12-year-old was among the cases in this group, becoming the youngest person to test positive for Covid-19 in Laos, according to the statement.
    The individuals are currently undergoing treatment at Vientiane’s Mittaphab Hospital.

    Laos now has 39 confirmed cases of Covid 19, with the 25th case receiving a positive test result for the virus on 16 November after traveling from Hungary."

    14 New Cases of Covid-19 Confirmed in Laos - Laotian Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Not too late to pull out then. Unless the cake tins are already arranged.

    Covid-19 vaccine purchase contract to be signed Friday
    Interesting letter in Postbag today....

    The National Vaccine Institute (NVI) will sign a 182-billion-baht contract with AstraZeneca for 26 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine, sufficient for 13 million people (BP, Nov 27). This equates to 7,000 baht per jab.

    International media report AstraZeneca's cost per dose as being 90-120 baht. The company has pledged to make its vaccine available at cost until July, 2021 and to poor countries in perpetuity.

    Twenty six million doses at 120 baht per dose will cost 3.12 billion baht.
    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/postbag

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    Staggering to see just how many deaths in Europe alone yesterday...

    I see the UK is still keeping to number of deaths within 28 days of positive test...57,551 to date, as opposed to 66,713 with Covid on the death certificate (as per rest of world figures)

    Interested to know if figures reduce after schools finish for Christmas break.

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    Los Angeles County adopts new stay-at-home order as Covid-19 cases rise

    Health officials in Los Angeles County, the nation's most populous, announced a new Covid-19 stay-at-home order Friday that will ban most public and private gatherings.


    The new restrictions, to take effect Monday and to stay in place at least until Dec. 20, will prohibit public and private gatherings except for those people already living together. Religious services and protests will be exempted.


    "Residents are advised to stay home as much as possible and always wear a face covering over their nose and mouth when they are outside their household and around others," the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said in a statement Friday.


    The new rules affecting the county's 10 million residents will limit essential retailers to 35 percent capacity and non-essential stores to 20 percent. Outdoor fitness centers and museums will be limited to 50 percent normal capacity, and gatherings at beaches are banned. Playgrounds will remain closed.


    The restrictions follow a new ban Wednesday on outdoor dining (indoor dining was already banned), leaving restaurants to offer takeout and delivery only.


    The stricter rules come after the five-day average for new cases surpassed 4,500, a threshold set by the county Nov. 17. Public health officials said then that if the county reached that threshold, new restrictions would be put in place.


    On Friday, the health department reported a five-day average of 4,751 cases and 24 deaths in a 24-hour period.


    The health department said the case numbers "remain at alarming levels" while hospitalizations "continue to increase."


    Los Angeles County adopts new stay-at-home order as Covid-19 cases rise

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    Hospitals in England to start vaccinating NHS staff in 10 days time, but the most vulnerable in care homes will have to wait due to the Pfizer vaccine being unable to be moved more than a few times.

    Hospitals in England told to prepare for Covid vaccine rollout in 10 days' time | Society | The Guardian

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    Day 21 (I think!!!) of Quarantine here and it is been extended by another 10 days. There does seem to be some loosening in restrictions, from the 2nd I can buy beer and wine! The irony is I am not even in the mood for either and I am not sure a load of booze would really do my mental health any favours at the moment so will wait for pubs to open. I introverts heaven is an extroverts hell! Seriously, I was done with "me time" on the evening of day 1 and I don't have the patience for making sourdough bread or quilting.

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    The chinkies are still trying hard to pin the Wuhan virus on someone else, bless them.

    It might help if the stupid fuckers stopped blocking experts from investigating.



    A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story | China | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    stopped blocking experts from investigating
    All experts of just those that originate from certain countries? Some of whom may have one agenda only.

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    Participant in India’s AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine trial sues after experiencing ‘severe adverse effect’

    29 Nov, 2020 10:13

    "An Indian man who helped test a coronavirus jab based on AstraZeneca’s candidate vaccine has filed suit, claiming that he suffered extreme side effects during his participation in the trial.

    The plaintiff, identified in media reports as a 40-year-old man from Chennai, is suing the Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII) for Rs 5 crore ($676,000 USD). The individual alleges that he suffered serious neurological damage after taking part in the phase three trial of Covishield, the SII’s version of the Covid-19 jab being developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford. The man was purportedly told that the vaccine was safe and chose to participate in the program in “the spirit of public service.”

    The lawsuit also demands that SII, AstraZeneca and the Oxford Vaccine Group immediately halt vaccine trials, in which some 1,600 volunteers are currently enrolled.

    Ten days after receiving the shot, the man complained of a pounding headache and experienced vomiting, his wife told local media. He was bedridden and acting abnormally before being transferred to the emergency ward of the Sri Ramachandra Medical College and Hospital. A review by the hospital concluded that the medical problems were not linked to the vaccine, and a medical official cited by Indian media claimed that the patient was “now alright” and had not incurred any expenses stemming from the health episode.

    The man’s discharge summary said he requested to leave the hospital and was recovering from “acute encephalopathy”. He also suffered from deficiencies of Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D, and was suspected of having a “connective tissue disorder.”

    However, the man’s wife insists that he has not fully recovered and is unable to work as before.

    In September, SII briefly paused its clinical trials of Covishield after a recipient of the AstraZeneca jab showed adverse symptoms.

    India has faced criticism for not being more transparent about its Covid-19 vaccine trials. According to Science Magazine, SII is not using the same phase three testing protocol implemented by AstraZeneca, and has also declined to make its guidelines public."


    Participant in India’s AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine trial sues after experiencing ‘severe adverse effect’ — RT World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    All experts of just those that originate from certain countries?
    Why not let them all in, WaahWaah? Why is the communist party trying so hard to cover up the facts?


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Some of whom may have one agenda only.
    Well, ONE has one agenda only - to cover it up -


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    In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020. And women have been impacted most
    Nov 29, 2020

    In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020. And women have been impacted most

    In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020 - CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Participant in India’s AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine trial sues after experiencing ‘severe adverse effect’
    Uh huh.

    A review by the hospital concluded that the medical problems were not linked to the vaccine, and a medical official cited by Indian media claimed that the patient was “now alright” and had not incurred any expenses stemming from the health episode.
    Uh huh.

    Uh-huh.

    Looks like you missed this story HooHoo.

    China vaccine stocks take a beating amid foreign doubts

    Shares of vaccine makers have plunged for two days straight this week after Brazil suspended a vaccine trial when a participant died

    China vaccine stocks take a beating amid foreign doubts | Asia Times Financial

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    Chiang Rai province on COVID-19 alert after two Thais back from Myanmar infected

    A limited curfew, from midnight until 4am, has been imposed on two bridges linking Mae Sai district, of Thailand’s northern province of Chiang Rai, with Myanmar’s Thachilek township. Trading on the two bridges was also ordered to close at 6pm as the Chiang Rai provincial administration steps up measures to contain the spread of COVID-19 from across the border.


    Two female Thai bar workers, working in the Thachilek township, slipped back into Mae Sai district last week and both tested positive for coronavirus on Sunday. They are now being treated at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital. The third, working in the same bar, travelled to Chiang Mai and also tested positive, after she developed symptoms associated with the virus.


    The infection of the three women, who slipped into Thailand through illegal natural border crossings, has caused alarm among health officials in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai provinces. Hundreds of people who were in close contact with them have been traced by health officials for screening or to be advised to confine themselves at home.


    On Sunday, the Chiang Rai provincial administration issued an announcement for passengers in a van, registration number 10-2973, travelling from Mae Sai district on November 24th at 9.30 am to Chiang Rai bus terminal, to report to their nearest hospital or to the provincial health office as quickly as possible. The three infected women travelled in the same van after their arrival in Mae Sai.


    Dr. Sophon Iamsirithavorn, director of General Communicable Diseases Division of the Disease Control Department, said that, so far, 65 high-risk people have been screened and none of them tested positive, but they will have to remain in state quarantine for 14 days for observation.


    Public health volunteers have been instructed to keep watch on those quarantined at home, as managers of hotels and condominiums were also asked to keep watch on those in isolation in their premises, to make sure they remain in quarantine for 14 days.


    COVID-19 is spreading in Thachilek, with nine new cases recorded on Saturday, bringing the total to 21.

    Chiang Rai province on COVID-19 alert after two Thais back from Myanmar infected | Thai PBS World : The latest Thai news in English, News Headlines, World News and News Broadcasts in both Thai and English. We bring Thailand to the world

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