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    ^ The graph on the bottom right corner seems to show the new cases leveling off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^^ if the WHO had focused on health instead of politics and put measures in place to close/monitor/manage all Chinese borders two weeks ago then we wouldn't be in this situation now. The shockingly poor performance of the WHO as a health autority has just added to this clusterfuk...
    Indeed, the WHO are responsible for the socio-economic-political management of China.

    You fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ The graph on the bottom right corner seems to show the new cases leveling off.
    Chinese figures. Do you trust them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    I think given the return to work and the additional opportunity to stir the transmission pot it will get epic, think we are now setting up for phase 2 in China
    ^^^ I think the graph will change shape again, unfortunately.

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    ^^ I suppose no. A tweet from the BBC correspondent in China.


    There does however seem to be a suggestion that a change in definition from #China’s National Health Commission re “confirmed case” could’ve soaked up some of the reduction. Patients with no #coronavirus symptoms not counted as “confirmed” any more even if they test positive.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenMc...67785227862016

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    I’ve already had the flu at the end of last year, even though I had my flu jab. My 85 year old mother picked it up (I guess) from me. I never went to the doctor and suffered the week out. Mom we took to the doctor and she had a Tamiflu injection. She was well the following day.

    I’m not thrilled with the thought of picking up another bug, especially one which can’t be treated, and carrying it home to my elderly mother.

    Nor am I thrilled at the thought of having a two week vacation at Travis AFB. Flying directly from Korea to the East Coast, maybe if I was found infected, they would send me to Guantánamo Bay.

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    MK, that's the spirit chin up. In all seriousness though the the longevity of the virus outside the body, long incubation period (in some), lack of symptoms and higher fatality rate in the elderly is a worry for those with older relatives. I guess you are just going to have to take what precautions you can and cross your fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    For all those in a Panic.

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    Good vid. Well balanced.

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    From a business point of view, On calls yesterday and today with a few suppliers and 4 of the 5 suppliers we use have extended their factory shutdown until Feb 17th. HUGE impact as they were already late and this is now a hard shutdown so a start up is not like turning on a light switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Chinese figures. Do you trust them?
    Thought the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Indeed, the WHO are responsible for the socio-economic-political management of China.

    You fucking idiot.
    I think Seekingsausage is due for a lube. Can someone get out the mustard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    From a business point of view, On calls yesterday and today with a few suppliers and 4 of the 5 suppliers we use have extended their factory shutdown until Feb 17th. HUGE impact as they were already late and this is now a hard shutdown so a start up is not like turning on a light switch.
    yep, this is going to take down .75% of world growth, possibly more, by the end of this year if this last another 2 months

    Chinese tourism collapse everywhere, even Champagne sales are down, didn't happen in the last 25 years

    finally, a world without the Chinese mass

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Good vid. Well balanced.
    I have to disagree because it's not up to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    I have to disagree because it's not up to date.
    Perhaps because there aren't any updates, as there aren't any specific treatments or vaccines for it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    I have to disagree because it's not up to date.

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    Disagree away - but do not think one single thing she said is not still currently applicable.

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    Who cares now about the "facts" of China ? (Luckily us, Reuters hasn't been banned - so far...)

    Factbox: Carmakers look to resume China output after virus forced closures

    (Reuters) - Automakers including Daimler, Ford and Tesla are looking to resume production in China after being forced to shut factories following the outbreak of a new coronavirus.


    Below are details on carmakers’ plans (in alphabetical order):

    *BMW’s (BMWG.DE) China venture with Brilliance (1114.HK) said on Feb. 5 the Chinese firm planned to restart production on Feb. 17. [nL8N2A55AY]

    *Daimler (DAIGn.DE) said on Feb. 3 it plans to resume passenger car production in Beijing on Feb. 10.

    *Fiat Chrysler (FCHA.MI) said on Feb. 6 that disruption to parts supplies could threaten production at one of its European plants within two to four weeks.

    *Ford Motor (F.N) said on Jan. 29 it planned to resume production on Feb. 10 at its factories in Chongqing and Hangzhou with joint venture partner Chongqing Changan Automobile (000625.SZ).

    *General Motors (GM.N) said on Feb. 10 it plans to restart production in China on Feb. 15.

    *Honda (7267.T) said on Feb. 7 it would restart its three plants in Wuhan, which it operates with Dongfeng Motor Group (0489.HK), on Feb. 13. Honda said there were no supply chain issues that would impede production.

    *Hyundai Motor (005380.KS) and sister firm Kia Motors (000270.KS) will gradually increase production in South Korea from Feb. 11, the companies said in a statement on Feb. 10. [nL4N2AA2C1]

    *Nissan Motor (7201.T) will temporarily halt production at its plant in Kyushu, southern Japan, the Nikkei newspaper reported on Feb. 10. Nissan said on Feb. 4 it was considering restarting production at its Chinese venture with Dongfeng sometime after Feb. 10 while output from Hubei would start after Feb. 14.

    *PSA Peugeot Citroen (PEUP.PA), which is in the process of merging with Fiat, said on Jan. 31 its three plants in Wuhan will remain closed until Feb. 14.

    *Renault (RENA.PA) said on Feb. 7 that its South Korean unit RSM would suspend production at its Busan site for four days from Feb. 11 due to supply chain disruptions.

    *Suzuki Motor Corp (7269.T) said on Feb. 7 that it was considering sourcing vehicle components from outside China because the outbreak was threatening to disrupt vehicle production in its biggest market, India.

    *Toyota Motor (7203.T) on Feb. 7 extended the shutdown of its China factories to Feb. 16 from Feb. 9. The Japanese automaker operates 12 car and parts factories in regions such as the northern city of Tianjin and the southern province of Guangdong.

    *French car parts maker Valeo (VLOF.PA) said on Jan. 31 its three sites in Wuhan will remain shut until at least Feb. 13.

    *Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE) said on Feb. 8 that it has postponed restarting production at most plants at its Chinese JV with SAIC Motor (600104.SS) and the Tianjin plant of its JV with FAW Group [SASACJ.UL] until Feb. 17. One plant it operates with SAIC in Shanghai and most of the plants in the FAW JV will restart on Feb. 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post

    The numbers shown:


    Hubei:
    974 dead. 2222 recovered.

    Seem much out of kilter with the rest of the World.

    34 dead. 1831 recovered.



    Why is the death toll so low, compared to the recovery rate, outside of Hubei?

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    ^ Poor medical facilities which can’t treat the population on a good day suddenly being overloaded with sick people?

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    All this cuz the Chinks let it get out of hand.
    Another example of a single party, entrenched bureaucracy, cover up til it's too late system.

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    Egad.

    South Korea has “strongly advised” its citizens not to travel to Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore in an attempt to contain the spread of the coronavirus.

    https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-as...ml#post4057699

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    Image copyrightPA WIREA GP practice in Brighton has been temporarily closed after a staff member tested positive for coronavirus.
    Patients at the city's County Oak medical centre have been advised to contact the NHS 111 phone service if they have concerns.
    Two of the eight people diagnosed in the UK are understood to be GPs.
    The Department of Health has called the virus a "serious and imminent threat" to public health, but the overall risk to the population is "moderate".
    However, the risk to individuals is low, the department said.
    A school in Southampton has also closed over concerns about the virus.
    St Mary's Independent School said the "precautionary" three-day closure came after "members of the school community" became ill, having recently travelled to China.
    Brackley Medical Centre in Northamptonshire was also closed as a precautionary measure, but later reopened.
    There have been more than 40,000 cases of the virus globally, mostly in China. The total number of deaths in China is now 1,011.


    Four new UK cases were announced on Monday - taking the total number of people infected in the UK to eight.
    Two of the new cases are understood to be GPs - one of whom works at the County Oak medical centre.
    A sign put up at the surgery said it had been closed "for extensive cleaning as a precautionary measure" and would be open as soon as possible, hopefully on Tuesday afternoon.
    One of the eight UK cases is a British man who caught the virus at a conference in Singapore and travelled to a ski resort in France.
    He was diagnosed in Brighton, and is being treated at St Thomas' Hospital in London.
    He has been linked to five of the other cases.
    Image copyrightEDDIE MITCHELLImage captionCounty Oak Medical CentreIn addition to the eight cases in the UK, five British nationals tested positive in France following the Brighton man's trip to the ski resort.
    A British man has also been diagnosed with coronavirus in Majorca after coming into contact with a carrier in France.
    Tedros Adhanom - director general of the World Health Organization - told a press conference on Monday that cases such as those in the UK and France "could be the spark that becomes a bigger fire".
    "But for now, it's only a spark," he said.
    "Our objective remains containment."
    Meanwhile, the Department of Health has introduced new measures in England that mean those in quarantine will not be free to leave their accommodation, and can be forcibly sent into isolation if they pose a threat.
    The move comes after a passenger on the first UK flight from Wuhan, who is being held in quarantine on the Wirral, had been "threatening to abscond" despite signing a contract agreeing to the isolation period.
    What are the symptoms of coronavirus and what can help stop its spread?

    The main signs of infection are fever (high temperature) and a cough as well as shortness of breath and breathing difficulties.
    Frequent hand washing with soap or gel, avoiding close contact with people who are ill and not touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands, can help cut the risk of infection.
    Catching coughs and sneezes in a tissue, binning it and washing your hands can minimise the risk of spreading disease.
    Anyone experiencing symptoms, even if mild, after travelling from mainland China, Thailand, Japan, Republic of Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia or Macau, is advised to stay indoors and call the NHS 111 phone service.
    What is the government doing?

    The main focus is on rapidly identifying people with the disease and taking them to specialist hospitals for treatment in isolation.
    They are then tracing anybody who has come into close contact with patients to make sure they know the signs of the disease and what to do.
    Arrowe Park Hospital, on the Wirral, and Kents Hill Park conference centre, in Milton Keynes, have been designated as "isolation" facilities in the UK.
    Evacuees from Wuhan who travelled to the UK on two flights chartered by the Foreign Office are currently in quarantine at those locations.
    Image copyrightEPAImage captionPassengers on Sunday's flight from Wuhan were taken to Kents Hill Park conference centre, in Milton KeynesGetty Images

    Spread of coronavirus
    • 40,000+cases of the virus globally
    • 908deaths in China, as of Sunday 9 February



    • 27other countries, at least, it has spread to
    • 1%of people infected go on to die, it's estimated

    Sources: China National Health Commission, WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Modelling





    One British man, who asked to remain anonymous, has described his journey to quarantine in Milton Keynes after flying back from Wuhan.
    He said he and his wife, who is a Chinese national, had been in a town in Hubei province and were unable to reach Wuhan to fly back to the UK - but the Foreign Office organised a coach to pick them up.
    He said he was "relieved to have been able to get out", and compared scenes in Hubei with "something out of a post-apocalyptic movie".
    How serious is the threat?

    A statement published on the Department of Health website earlier on Monday said the "incidence or transmission of novel coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health".
    However, Whitehall sources say that announcement was made to help enforce the new quarantine powers.
    BBC health editor Hugh Pym said the "over dramatic" language was likely to have been used for "obscure legal reasons".
    The department confirmed on Twitter that the risk to the public has not changed.
    That risk has been declared as "moderate" - a level which allows the government to plan for all eventualities, officials say.
    Ultimately, the government maintains that the risk to individuals remains "low".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Disagree away - but do not think one single thing she said is not still currently applicable.
    Listen up, she reported at that time to the best of her knowledge. Credit given !

    She said that the virus passes from person to person. NOT TRUE


    Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents

    Persistence of coronavirus on inanimate surfaces
    Most data were described with the endemic human coronavirus strain (HCoV-) 229E. On different types of materials it can remain infectious for from 2 hours up to 9 days. A higher temperature such as 30°C or 40°C reduced the duration of persistence of highly pathogenic MERS-CoV, TGEV and MHV. However, at 4°C persistence of TGEV and MHV can be increased to ≥ 28 days. Few comparative data obtained with SARS-CoV indicate that persistence was longer with higher inocula (Table 1). In addition it was shown at room temperature that HCoV-229E persists better at 50% compared to 30% relative humidity [8].

    https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...ulltext#sec3.1


    Worst yet, they think that it might even be transmitted over ventilation systems

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    There was some discussion today about an outbreak today in Korea, Sejong City; seems to be a situation being monitored closely rather than a confirmed batch of cases.

    Also, there's been advice on Korean TV to keep body temperatures up because this virus has quite a limited temperature tolerance; this might be why this virus doesn't have such a strong effect on young children when these types of viruses often are most virulent against the old and young.
    Cycling should be banned!!!

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