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    Religious leaders sound vaccine warning



    One of Australia's most senior religious leaders has warned he would likely boycott a coronavirus vaccine being developed by Oxford University.


    Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies is concerned scientists are using cell lines from an electively aborted foetus, a common practice in medical research

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    What a fucking cock. Now all the other jesus wheezers are going to be anti-vaxxers.

    More deaths.

    His fault.

    That's him fucked for going to heaven, he's on the down escalator for sure.

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    Well there's a big fucking surprise.

    Coronavirus cases linked to Sturgis Motorcycle Rally found in 8 states

    More than 100 cases have been found in Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming and the Dakotas.
    Coronavirus cases linked to Sturgis Motorcycle Rally found in 8 states

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    The knock on effect in the uk...

    Delays to cancer diagnosis and treatment due to coronavirus could cause thousands of excess deaths in the UK within a year, research suggests.

    Scientists suggest there could be at least 7,000 additional deaths - but in a worst case scenario that number could be as high as 35,000.

    There are concerns routine screenings, urgent referrals and treatments have been delayed or cancelled.

    NHS England said it was working hard to restore services.

    Scientists examined data from eight hospital trusts and shared their findings exclusively with BBC Panorama.

    The study, conducted by DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, modelled different outcomes depending on how long services take to get back to normal levels.

    In a worst case scenario, if delays continue, there could be 35,000 additional cancer deaths within a year.

    Prof Mark Lawler, Scientific Lead of DATA-CAN, told BBC Panorama: "Initial data that we got was very worrying to us.

    Coronavirus 'wreaks havoc' on cancer services
    'More than two million in UK wait for cancer care'
    'Thousands missing out on cancer diagnosis'
    "Anecdotally, people have been telling us there were problems, but I think the critical thing was being able to actually have routine data from hospital trusts.

    "Obviously scientists like to be right in terms of their analysis, but I hope I'm wrong in relation to that," he said.

    Cancer referrals down by 45%
    It was the job of Peter Johnson, the National Clinical Director for Cancer NHS England, to draw up the guidelines on cancer treatment during Covid-19.

    "We're working as fast as we can to put the services back together again, to restore the capacity and indeed to build more, so that we can deal with the people that have not been diagnosed during the time when the services have been running below 100%," he told BBC Panorama.

    I'm hoping that we will get back to where we need to be by the end of the year."

    NHS figures show there was a 60% drop in people visiting their GP and being referred for tests in April.

    "There is a significant cohort of people who are very worried about coming anywhere near the NHS, because coming near the NHS means 'I'm going to get Covid, and therefore I'm going to get very, very ill,'" said NHS GP Dr Gary Marlowe.

    The rates of urgent cancer referrals were 45% below pre-emergency levels at the end of May, the most recent HDR UK research, shared with Panorama, showed.

    Radiotherapy machines 'lying idle'
    "The guidelines for radiotherapy and Covid-19 advised people to delay and avoid radiotherapy in some circumstances," clinical oncologist Prof Pat Price told BBC Panorama.

    "I think it was a very high risk strategy," she said.

    Prof Price said there were radiotherapy machines in some hospitals "lying idle which could have saved lives".

    "It has been safe to give radiotherapy during Covid-19, we know that now," she said.

    "The machines are here but we haven't been allowed to switch them on properly.

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    Mr Johnson, from NHS England said: "What we were concerned to do, when the virus was increasing very rapidly in the population, was to make sure that we could get the right balance between the risk of catching the virus, and the risk of having people's cancer get worse.

    "And in particular, the risks and benefits of things like chemotherapy where, if the chemotherapy isn't absolutely crucial but it might be dangerous in terms of increasing your risk of coronavirus.

    "This wasn't a kind of attempt to police who should have treatment and who shouldn't, it was more an attempt to try and help people think very clearly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    there could be 35,000 additional cancer deaths within a year.
    Documented cause of death, cancer or government restriction on treatment due to virus danger risks?

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    There's an argument for putting such deaths down to covid, seeing as that's the cause of disruption which has resulted in the med services being unable to properly deal with critical non-covid cases.

    I was at City hospital earlier today, and must say if covid was prevalent in Thailand that's one of the last places I would go outside of an emergency.

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    Such is the clamour to produce good vaccine news, they are reporting positive results in a trial of TEN people.

    Moderna says its coronavirus vaccine shows promising results in small trial of elderly patients

    Moderna says its coronavirus vaccine shows promising results in small trial of elderly patients


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    Travellers in Switzerland, Jamaica and Czech Republic must quarantine on return to the UK from 0400 on Saturday.

    Writing on Twitter, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said those arriving in the UK after 04:00 BST on Saturday must self-isolate for 14 days. and the move was needed to keep UK infection rates down.

    This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Please refresh the page for the fullest version.
    Refreshing here, but the fullest version isn't showing.




    Did you see that Pogba got the ol' covid. Gonna be interesting to see just how the governing bodies deal with it once the new season gets underway and players, or half a first-team have to self-isolate for xx number of days.

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    Seven months into the coronavirus crisis, with more than 30 vaccines rapidly advancing through the rigorous stages of clinical trials, a surprising number of research groups are placing bets on some that have not yet been given to a single person.

    The New York Times has confirmed that at least 88 candidates are under active preclinical investigation in laboratories across the world, with 67 of them slated to begin clinical trials before the end of 2021.

    Those trials may begin after millions of people have already received the first wave of vaccines. It will take months to see if any of them are safe and effective. Nevertheless, the scientists developing them say their designs may be able to prompt more powerful immune responses, or be much cheaper to produce, or both — making them the slow and steady winners of the race against the coronavirus.


    “The first vaccines may not be the most effective,” said Ted Ross, the director of the Center for Vaccines and Immunology at the University of Georgia, who is working on an experimental vaccine he hopes to put into clinical trials in 2021.


    Many of the vaccines at the front of the pack today try to teach the body the same basic lesson. They deliver a protein that covers the surface of the coronavirus, called spike, which appears to prompt the immune system to make antibodies to fight it off.

    But some researchers worry that we may be pinning too many hopes on a strategy that has not been proved to work.

    “It would be a shame to put all our eggs in the same basket,” said David Veesler, a virologist at the University of Washington.

    In March, Dr. Veesler and his colleagues designed a vaccine that consists of millions of nanoparticles, each one studded with 60 copies of the tip of the spike protein, rather than the entire thing. The researchers thought these bundles of tips might pack a stronger immunological punch.

    When the researchers injected these nanoparticles into mice, the animals responded with a flood of antibodies to the coronavirus — much more than produced by a vaccine containing the entire spike. When the scientists exposed vaccinated mice to the coronavirus, they found that it completely protected them from infection.


    The researchers shared their initial results this month in a paper that has yet to be published in a scientific journal. Icosavax, a start-up company co-founded by Dr. Veesler’s collaborator, Neil King, is preparing to begin clinical trials of the nanoparticle vaccine by the end of this year.

    U.S. Army researchers at the Walter Reed Army Institute have created another spike-tip nanoparticle vaccine, and are
    recruiting volunteers for a clinical trial that they also plan to start by the end of 2020. A number of other companies and universities are creating spike-tip-based vaccines as well, using recipes of their own.

    Antibodies are only one weapon in the immune arsenal. Blood cells known as T cells can fight infections by attacking other cells that have been infiltrated by the virus.


    “We still don’t know which kind of immune response will be important for protection,” said Luciana Leite, a vaccine researcher at Instituto Butantan in Săo Paulo, Brazil.


    It’s possible that vaccines that arouse only antibody responses will fail in the long run. Dr. Leite and other researchers are testing vaccines made of several parts of the coronavirus to see if they can coax T cells to fight it off.

    “It’s a second line of defense that might work better than antibodies,” said Anne De Groot, the C.E.O. of Epivax, a company based in Providence, R.I.

    Epivax has created an experimental vaccine with several pieces of the spike protein, as well as other viral proteins, which it plans to test in a clinical trial in December.

    The effectiveness of a vaccine can also be influenced by how it gets into our body. All of the first-wave vaccines now in clinical trials have to be injected into muscle. A nasal spray vaccine — similar to FluMist for influenza — might work better, since the coronavirus invades our bodies
    through the airway.

    Several groups are gearing up for clinical trials of nasal spray vaccines. One of the most imaginative approaches comes from a New York company called Codagenix. They are testing a vaccine that contains a synthetic version of the coronavirus that they made from scratch.

    The Codagenix vaccine is a new twist on an old formula. For decades, vaccine makers have created vaccines for diseases such as chickenpox and yellow fever from live but weakened viruses. Traditionally, scientists have weakened the viruses by growing them in cells of chickens or some other animal. The viruses adapt to their new host, and in the process they become ill-suited for growing in the human body.


    The viruses still slip into cells, but they replicate at a glacial pace. As a result, they can’t make us sick. But a small dose of these weakened viruses can deliver a powerful jolt to the immune system.


    Yet there are relatively few live weakened viruses, because making them is a struggle. “It’s really trial-and-error based,” said J. Robert Coleman, the chief executive of Codagenix. “You can never say exactly what the mutations are doing.”


    The Codagenix scientists came up with a different approach. They sat down at a computer and edited the coronavirus’s genome, creating 283 mutations. They then created a piece of DNA containing their new genome and put it in monkey cells. The cells then made their rewritten viruses. In experiments on hamsters, the researchers found that their vaccine didn’t make the animals sick — but did protect them against the coronavirus.

    Codagenix is preparing to open a Phase 1 trial of an intranasal spray with one of these synthesized coronaviruses as early as September. Two similar vaccines are in earlier stages of development.


    The French vaccine maker Valneva plans to start clinical trials in November on a far less futuristic design. “We are addressing the pandemic with a rather conventional approach,” said Thomas Lingelbach, the C.E.O. of Valneva.

    Valneva makes vaccines from inactivated viruses that are killed with chemicals. Jonas Salk and other early vaccine makers found this recipe to work well. Chinese vaccine makers already have three such coronavirus vaccines in Phase 3 trials, but Dr. Lingelbach still sees an opportunity for Valneva making its own. Inactivated virus vaccines have to meet very high standards for purification, to make sure all the viruses are not viable. Valneva has already met those standards, and it’s not clear if Chinese vaccines would.

    The United Kingdom has arranged to purchase 60 million doses of Valneva’s vaccine, and the company is scaling up to make 200 million doses a year.

    Even if the first wave of vaccines work, many researchers worry that it won’t be possible to make enough of them fast enough to tackle the global need.

    “It’s a numbers game — we need a lot of doses,” said Florian Krammer, a virologist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City.

    Some of the most promising first-wave products, such as RNA vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer, are based on designs that have never been put into large-scale production before. “The manufacturing math just doesn’t add up,” said Steffen Mueller, the chief scientific officer of Codagenix.

    Many of the second-wave vaccines wouldn’t require a large scale-up of experimental manufacturing. Instead, they could piggyback on standard methods that have been used for years to make safe and effective vaccines.


    Codagenix, for example, has entered into a partnership with the
    Serum Institute of India to grow their recoded coronaviruses. The institute already makes billions of doses of live weakened virus vaccines for measles, rotaviruses and influenza, growing them in large tanks of cells.


    Tapping into well-established methods could also cut down the cost of a coronavirus vaccine, which will make it easier to get it distributed to less wealthy countries.


    Researchers at Baylor College of Medicine, for example, are doing preclinical work on a vaccine that they said might cost as little as $2 a dose. By contrast, Pfizer is charging $19 a dose in a deal with the U.S. government, and other companies have floated even higher prices.


    To make the vaccine, the Baylor team engineered yeast to make coronavirus spike tips. It’s precisely the same method that has been used since the 1980s to make vaccines for hepatitis B. The Indian vaccine maker Biological E has licensed Baylor’s vaccine and is planning Phase 1 trials that will start this fall.


    “They now already know they can make a billion doses a year,” said Maria Elena Bottazzi, a Baylor virologist. “It’s easy-breezy for them, because it was exactly the same bread-and-butter vaccine technology that they have been working with for years.”

    Even if the world gets cheap, effective vaccines against Covid-19, that doesn’t mean all of our pandemic worries are over. With an abundance of other coronaviruses lurking in wild animals, another Covid-like pandemic may be not far off. Several companies — including Anhui Zhifei in China, Osivax in France and VBI in Massachusetts — are developing “universal” coronavirus vaccines that might protect people from an array of the viruses, even those that haven’t colonized our species yet.


    Many scientists see their ongoing vaccine work as part of a long game — one that the well-being of entire nations will depend on. Thailand, for example, is preparing to purchase Covid-19 vaccines developed overseas, but scientists there are also carrying out preclinical research of their own.


    At Chulalongkorn University, researchers have been investigating several potential candidates, including an RNA-based vaccine that will go into Phase 1 studies by early 2021. The vaccine is similar to one that
    Pfizer is now testing in late-stage clinical trials, but these scientists want the security of making their own version.


    “While Thailand has to plan for buying vaccines, we should do our best to produce our own vaccine as well,” said Kiat Ruxrungtham, a professor at Chulalongkorn University. “If we are not successful this time, we will be capable to do much, much better in the next pandemic.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/h....co/ncG6KqUHRV

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    Vaccine Approval in the UK from October! Maybe. Definitely Maybe.

    UK to give emergency approval to any Covid vaccine breakthrough | World news | The Guardian

    Get those flights booked and dig out your dancing shoes again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    UK to give emergency approval to any Covid vaccine breakthrough | World news | The Guardian
    Get those flights booked and dig out your dancing shoes again!
    I was offered the chance to be a guinea pig for Sinopharm.

    I think they understood the "Fuck off" through the laughing.

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    I'm back to online as three out of nineteen trainees test positive with Covid-19.

    The idiot who sold the course came stomping in on Wednesday demanding answers. He wanted to know how it is possible that the guys tested positive this week if they were tested negative week ago. He can't seem to understand that a test is not a vaccine.
    pues, estamos aqui

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    I see our British whackjobs are out to play today. Looks like one of them wants free electricity.

    No doubt they would wear their masks if Corbyn told them to. Silly soap dodging lefties.


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    A few more for an early grave?

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    Coronavirus vaccine candidate approved for emergency use in China

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    Sinovac Biotech's coronavirus vaccine candidate CoronaVac has been approved for emergency use as part of a programme initiated in July in China to vaccinate high-risk groups such as medical staff.

    China National Biotec Group (CNBG), a unit of state-owned pharmaceutical giant China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm), said on social media platform WeChat that it had obtained emergency use approval for a coronavirus vaccine candidate.

    CNBG, which has two vaccine candidates in phase 3 clinical trials, did not reveal which of its vaccines had been cleared for emergency use.

    China has been giving experimental coronavirus vaccines to high-risk groups since July, and a health official told state media that authorities could consider modestly expanding the emergency use programme to try to prevent possible outbreaks during the autumn and winter.

    Coronavirus update: Vaccine candidate approved for emergency use in China, Berlin police disband protest against COVID-19 curbs - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I was offered the chance to be a guinea pig for Sinopharm.

    I think they understood the "Fuck off" through the laughing.
    Harry could not wait any longer, he has made already a booking for the one from his friend Vlad that comes earlier...


    (didn't I write it here once already?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I see our British whackjobs are out to play today. Looks like one of them wants free electricity.

    No doubt they would wear their masks if Corbyn told them to. Silly soap dodging lefties.


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    Thousands of anti-maskers who believe pandemic is a HOAX march against lockdown in London | Daily Mail Online
    Quite a few midage and elderly there, we'll know how successful their protests are when the first keels over.

    Not sure what the law is nowadays, so many u-turns nobody really knows wtf's giong on, so we can blame the dithering gov in part. But if current law says wear masks and they clearly aren't, plod should be made to explain why he hasn't cordoned them off and hit them with the fine, which btw should be doubled each day for conscientious objectors.

    Hoho you would do well in UK, no end of followers for any wannabe leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Hoho you would do well in UK
    Been there, done that lifestyle. No desire to return.

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    Trials of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine may have gathered enough data to show whether it works and is safe by the end of the year – but it will then need to go through the regulatory process, scientists say.

    Prof Andrew Pollard, the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, said it is “just possible” that there may be enough clinical trial data on Oxford University’s Covid-19 vaccine to put before the regulators this year.

    Prof Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, has said a vaccine may not be ready until next winter. Pollard suggested they were hoping to go faster.


    “I think that Chris Whitty is quite rightly being cautious, that it could take as long as that to first of all demonstrate a vaccine works and is safe and then to go through the processes of regulators looking at that very carefully to make sure everything’s been done correctly,” Pollard told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.


    Covid-19: ‘possible’ Oxford vaccine data will be put before regulators this year | World news | The Guardian

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    25 million is up.

    India is the runaway leader in daily new cases. Although that isn't really surprising.

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    I don't know who's got the late Herman Cain's twatter account, but I'm guessing it's a trumpanzee.

    The twitter account of Herman Cain posted that Covid-19 was "not as deadly" as made out, just weeks after the one-time Republican presidential candidate died from the virus.

    The prominent conservative businessman died in July as a result of the virus after spending weeks in critical condition.

    Cain's twitter account has continued to post several times a day after his death, most commonly to share articles from the dubious Western Journal, one of which provided the basis for Monday's coronavirus claim.


    "It looks like the virus is not as deadly as the mainstream media first made it out to be," the tweet read, linking to a Western Journal article on a recent data release from the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
    Herman Cain Twitter account says Covid-19 '''not as deadly''' as warned, weeks after he dies of virus | The Independent | Independent

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    I have to say though, The one thing Covid has done is declined all the deaths from Influenza, Bronchitis, Lung Cancer, and motorbike accidents.

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