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    They'd be moving pdq and that's before the jab.

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    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research finds.

    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research finds - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research finds.


    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research finds - ABC News
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    cut and paste.
    ABC links have never worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research finds.
    COVID-19 symptoms are most likely to appear in a specific order, research find

    There are many reasons why coronavirus is difficult to control, but the fact it mimics the symptoms of other common viruses, including the flu, presents a major hurdle.

    But new evidence suggests there is a certain order in which COVID-19 symptoms appear, and researchers hope their findings will enable earlier testing.

    The paper, published in the Frontiers in Public Health journal, by researchers from the University of South California (USC), is based on the symptoms of more than 55,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19.

    The researchers found the initial symptoms often appear in the following specific order:
    1.Fever
    2.Cough
    3.Nausea and/or vomiting
    4.Diarrhoea

    This order differs only slightly from other respiratory illnesses, but there's a critical difference that might help with the detection of COVID-19.

    The researchers hypothesise that if you have contracted influenza (the flu), the first symptom you will observe is a cough, not fever.

    The importance of discerning between the flu and coronavirus early on cannot be overstated, as COVID-19 is two to three times more contagious than influenza.

    "This order is especially important to know when we have overlapping cycles of illnesses like the flu that coincide with infections of COVID-19," said researcher Peter Kuhn, professor of medicine and biomedical engineering at USC.

    However it is worth noting, cough has been reported more frequently among Australian COVID-19 patients (42 per cent of cases) than fever (30 per cent of cases), according to the latest data from the Department of Health.

    The US researchers also found a subtle difference in the timing of COVID-19 symptoms when compared to Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

    The upper gastrointestinal (GI) tract seems to be affected before the lower GI tract in COVID-19 cases which is the opposite to MERS and SARS.

    This is why nausea/vomiting often presents before diarrhoea among some COVID-19 patients.

    What if I experience other symptoms?


    The researchers predicted the order by analysing the presentations of 55,924 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China.

    This data was collected between February 16 and 24 by the World Health Organization.

    They also studied a further 1,099 COVID-19 patients from China who were ranked on the severity of their symptoms on admission.
    The researchers concluded that the order of symptoms was no different when comparing mild and serious cases.

    They focused their study on four objective symptoms that are easy for patients to confirm (and common in other respiratory diseases) but also went on to analyse more subjective symptoms.

    This was the most likely order of onset when additional (more biased) symptoms were factored in:

    1.
    Fever
    2.Coughing
    3.Equal likelihood of sore throat, headache or muscle aches
    4.Nausea/vomiting
    5.Diarrhoea

    Whereas this was the likely order of symptoms for influenza:

    1.
    Cough or muscle aches
    2.Headache
    3.Sore throat
    4.Fever
    5.Equal likelihood of vomiting/nausea and diarrhoea

    Study misses those with no symptoms


    Sacha Stelzer-Braid, a senior post-doctoral scientist and virologist from the University of NSW, said the findings were consistent with previous research on symptom onset.

    "The order of symptoms that the authors have reported makes sense in terms of the body's immune response," she said.

    "Fever occurs first because that is your body's immune response to the virus and the virus probably infects your nasal passages first and then moves to the lungs (hence the cough).

    "The virus may then travel to other cells in the body that have the right receptor, including cells in the gastrointestinal system, hence the gastro symptoms including diarrhoea."

    However Dr Stelzer-Braid urged some caution in relying on this study as the data is based on hospitalised patients, meaning those who were sick enough to present.

    There is an incredibly wide range of severity in COVID-19 infections and people should not assume they will feel all these symptoms, if any, she said.

    The research also provides no insight into those people who never show any symptoms.

    The proportion of true asymptomatic cases is still to be determined, but several studies have estimated about 40 per cent of people never develop any symptoms.


    Nevertheless, in concluding that fever is often the first symptom, the research validates temperature screening in public places as a useful early checking method, Dr Stelzer-Braid said.

    "To slow the spread of COVID-19, our results support the practice that fever should be tested before allowing entry to facilities and that those with fever should immediately seek medical attention for diagnosis and contact tracing," the researchers said.
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    Excellent response.

    A passenger on a train in France was forced to get off after refusing to wear a face mask.

    The unnamed man was travelling on the TGV Paris-Nice service on 16 August when he was asked to put on a face covering, which are currently mandatory on French public transport.

    He repeatedly refused, until the decision was taken to make an unscheduled stop so the man could be kicked off.


    The train doesn’t normally stop before reaching Marseille, but railway security opted to eject the traveller at Creusot in the Saône-et-Loire region of eastern France – around 470km away from the next scheduled stop.

    The man was also fined €135 for failing to comply with the rules.
    Passenger kicked off train ‘in the middle of nowhere’ in France after refusing to wear mask | The Independent

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    it works.
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    Excellent response.
    No longer 'mongs', eh harriet?

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    The Union Health Ministry on Tuesday announced that phase III trials of the Oxford vaccine will begin this week in India.

    It is likely that the Oxford University vaccine candidate -- Covishield -- will be the first one to move into production in India, sources have indicated to India Today TV.

    The Oxford vaccine will begin phase III trials at 20 centres in India predominantly in Pune and Mumbai in Maharashtra and Ahmedabad in Gujarat. In this phase, the vaccine will be administered to 1,600 people.


    "Some 20 different sites and hospitals across the country have been chosen, covering five different regions that are Covid-19 hotspots. We seek to conduct trials across 11-12 hospitals in partnership with ICMR," said a spokesperson of the Serum Institute, the Indian production partner of the Oxford vaccine.

    WHO GETS IT FIRST?

    But as India prepares to host phase III trials of the Oxford Covid vaccine, the top question on everyone's mind is just exactly who will get the first dose of the vaccine once it is approved for use in the real world?


    Sources have indicated to India Today TV that those who have NOT been infected by the virus would likely be the first ones to get a dose of the vaccine.


    "Those who have been infected with coronavirus and have developed antibodies against the virus will likely not fall in the priority category," they added.


    Prime Minister Narendra Modi had earlier said that healthcare workers and front-line workers should be given priority as initial vaccine candidates.


    "Additionally, the vulnerable age group category could also be part of the first section of the population to get the coronavirus vaccine," a source aware of the vaccine development meetings said.


    PRICING OF THE VACCINE


    In order to decide on the procurement mechanisms for a Covid vaccine, including both indigenous and international manufacturers as well as the guiding principles for prioritization of population groups for vaccination, the government has set up a national expert group on vaccine administration.


    The expert group has already met twice to discuss broad parameters guiding the selection of Covid-19 vaccine candidates for the country, and its production, pricing and distribution.


    Dr VK Paul, who heads the national expert committee on vaccine administration, said about the recent meeting on India's Covid-19 vaccine race, "We have spoken to the main vaccine manufacturers about their individual capacities and have asked them to provide us details of the capacity of each to produce and store the vaccine.

    Another point discussed is how will this pan out, how they will ramp up capacity and how fast it can be facilitated," he said.


    Dr Paul said the government has also asked manufacturers to indicate what the possible price of the vaccine could be so that there could be some possibility or insight into where the price range would be. "We are asking what kind of price range we are looking at," he said.


    The Serum Institute of India (SII) had previously said that it has entered into a partnership with Gavi, The Vaccine Alliance and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to produce 100 million vaccine doses for India and other low-income countries at the cost of $3 per dose.


    However, now the vaccine maker says that the price could rise.


    "$3 is a special price because of our recent association with GAVI and the Gates foundation. It is a risk-sharing price for the vaccine. The vaccine price could be slightly higher once all the licenses and approvals are in place. However, it is too soon to comment," said the Serum Institute spokesperson.


    Oxford Covid-19 vaccine phase 3 trials begin in India: What to know

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    You just knew the Mypillow guy would be looking at how to screw some cash out of this pandemic. Looks like he got himself ripped a new one.


    There was nothing soft or fluffy about the way Anderson Cooper took down MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell Tuesday.

    Lindell appeared on CNN to discuss his recent assertion that he’d taken part in a July meeting at the White House about using oleandrin — a plant extract that can be fatal if consumed — as a potential therapeutic for coronavirus. Lindell said President Donald Trump was “enthusiastic” about the substance’s possible use.

    The statement came after Lindell, known to TV audiences from his commercials for MyPillow,
    joined the board of Phoenix Biotechnology. The biotech company makes oleandrin; Lindell has a financial stake in the company.


    On Tuesday, the CNN anchor repeatedly drove home the point that Lindell was telling people to use an untested and potentially lethal substance, and that he stood to make a lot of money off of it.


    “You really are like a snake oil salesman,” Cooper tells Lindell in the clip below. “You could be, in the Old West, standing on a box, telling people to drink your amazing elixir, [but] there’s no proof.”


    “I do what Jesus has me do. I give the glory to God,” Lindell counters. “I want to help people. That’s my passion.”


    “You think Jesus wants you out there promoting remedies that are not remedies because they’ve never been tested?” Cooper asks. When Lindell asks why the host thinks he would put his reputation on the line for the product, Cooper simply replies: “Money.”
    [VIDEO] Anderson Cooper Grills MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell | TVLine

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    No longer 'mongs', eh harriet?
    ... longer Mongs, yes.....

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    COVID-19: ‘More Infectious’ Strain Found in Philippines, Malaysia

    A strain of COVID-19 common in Europe and the Americas has been detected in Malaysia and the Philippines and could lead to a spike in infections, authorities say.


    In a joint statement on Tuesday, the Philippine Genome Center and the Research Institute for Tropical Medicine said samples of the variant were discovered in Quezon City, north of metropolitan Manila and home to about 2.9 million people.


    “There is evidence that the mutation makes it easier for the virus to enter its target cell and may be associated with higher viral loads in infected persons. This likely translates into a higher level of infectivity,” the statement said, while cautioning that there was not yet definitive proof of this.


    The D614G variant of the virus that causes COVID-19 has been associated with outbreaks in Europe and New York, and has been present in Singapore since February, according to reports.


    The variant is only very slightly different from the strain of novel coronavirus that emerged in Wuhan, China in late 2019, but became the dominant form worldwide by March, scientists said.

    MORE COVID-19: ‘More Infectious’ Strain Found in Philippines, Malaysia

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    Timely as I have an antibody test on Sunday.

    SEATTLE, WA — A coronavirus outbreak aboard a Seattle-based fishing boat is providing researchers with some direct evidence of the effectiveness of antibodies in protecting patients from reinfection.

    The University of Washington School of Medicine and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center teamed up to analyze an outbreak aboard a fishing vessel that sailed from Seattle in May.


    Researchers identified the vessel to The Seattle Times as
    the FV American Dynasty, a factory trawler owned by American Seafoods.

    Before the vessel set forth, its entire crew of 122 men and women were tested for active infections and had blood drawn to detect antibodies from earlier coronavirus illnesses. According to the study, none tested positive for the virus at the time, but three crew members had "significant levels" of antibodies indicating previous infection.

    While at sea, the ship suffered an outbreak of COVID-19 cases, forcing the vessel to return to port. Tests later revealed that 104 of the 122 crew members were infected during the outbreak. However, the three crew members who already had antibodies showed no signs of reinfection nor exhibited any symptoms.

    In a news release, UW Medicine said the findings suggest vaccines designed to create neutralizing antibodies could be effective in people. Previously, the only direct clinical proof of antibodies' effectiveness against the virus came from studies in animals.

    "Our results provide the first direct evidence that anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies are protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans," researchers wrote.


    Several potential vaccines are currently in clinical trials in Washington and across the nation. Researchers said their latest findings are another piece in the puzzle of developing the most effective defense.


    "We're honing in on the immunological responses we need to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection," said Dr. Alex Greninger, a UW School of Medicine professor who led the project. "We can't wait to get this virus behind us."


    The research paper, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, can be
    read on the MedRxiv website.
    Coronavirus Outbreak On Fishing Boat Sheds Light On Antibodies | Patch

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    I hope they use a needle as big as a bicycle pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What's not commented on but I find interesting about this that every single person tested negative before embarking yet an outbreak still occurred.
    The only thing I can think of is that it lurks somewhere in the system of those who've had it, of whom there were 3 aboard who'd had it and all had "significant levels" of antibodies. Very strange
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Very strange
    Think we know small percentage of what we eventually will know. Whole lot of speculation going on as far as I see.

    Suppose way it is with most viruses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What's not commented on but I find interesting about this that every single person tested negative before embarking yet an outbreak still occurred.
    The only thing I can think of is that it lurks somewhere in the system of those who've had it, of whom there were 3 aboard who'd had it and all had "significant levels" of antibodies. Very strange
    There are different kinds of testing that can detect different levels of the virus.

    And in the early stages of infection, virus load is low.

    So you only have to combine these two and it is easy for an infected person to provide a negative test.

    Why do you think Thailand is asking you to provide a negative test *and* still quarantining you?

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    Moreover, I read today (don't have the link though) that in children, it often doesn't show up as a fever, even though that is the initial symptom in adults. Even tested with a fancy infrared thermometer

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    Of course he isn't a pussy. But he is a bit of a dick.

    A former Navy Seal who said he killed Osama bin Laden has been banned by Delta Air Lines after a controversial social media post showed he had removed his face mask during a flight.

    Earlier this week, Robert O'Neill tweeted "I'm not a p***y" alongside a photo of himself smiling in his plane seat not wearing a mask on a Delta Connection flight Wednesday from Minneapolis to Newark, New Jersey.
    Covid 19 coronavirus: Airline bans man who 'killed Osama bin Laden' after anti-mask tweet - NZ Herald

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well that raised his profile a bit didn't it.
    Probably wiser to wear a mask, keep his mouth shut and his head down.
    (all things considered)

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    This is a bit much...


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    Mexico to Test Russia’s Coronavirus Vaccine


    Mexico will receive at least 2,000 doses of Russia’s candidate coronavirus vaccine as part of the injection's Phase 3 clinical trials, Mexico’s foreign minister said Thursday.


    Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told Russia’s ambassador Wednesday that Mexico wanted to conduct trials of Russia’s “Sputnik V” Covid-19 vaccine, which President Vladimir Putin says is the first in the world to be registered. Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Monday that he would be among the first to receive Sputnik V if it’s proven to be effective.

    “Mexico was offered at least 2,000 doses of the vaccine to do its protocol to start testing it in Mexico, which is very good news because again we buy ourselves time,” Ebrard said, according to Reuters.

    MORE Mexico to Test Russia’s Coronavirus Vaccine - The Moscow Times

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    South Korea is banning large gatherings, shutting nightspots and churches and removing fans from professional sports in unprecedented restrictions announced on Saturday as it battles the spread of the coronavirus.
    Health Minister Park Neung-hoo announced the steps shortly after the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 332 new cases in the ninth straight day of triple-digit increases. The national caseload is now at 17,002, including 309 deaths.
    While most of the new cases came from the densely populated Seoul metropolitan area, which has been at the centre of the viral surge in recent weeks, infections were also reported in practically every major city and town, raising concerns that transmissions are slipping out of control.
    The government has already imposed elevated social distancing measures in Seoul this week after resisted them for months out of economic concerns.
    "We are now in a very dangerous situation that could trigger a massive nationwide spread of Covid-19," Mr Park said.

    South Korea announces unprecedented restrictions to curb spread of Covid-19

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