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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    I never understood the importance of mass testing, those tested today may be infected tomorrow so selective testing seems more appropriate to me.
    I have wondered about that too. It seems you identify some people, but a person might catch it right after a test and be transmitting the virus to others. It seems continuous testing is needed for the testing to be effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Strictly speaking a little off-topic but an interesting article nevertheless and this bit caught my attention:
    How Covid-19 Signals the End of the American Era - Rolling Stone[/QUOTE]
    Very good assessment, green owned

    In 1940, with Europe already ablaze, the United States had a smaller army than either Portugal or Bulgaria. Within four years, 18 million men and women would serve in uniform, with millions more working double shifts in mines and factories that made America, as President Roosevelt promised, the arsenal of democracy.

    When the Japanese within six weeks of Pearl Harbor took control of 90 percent of the world’s rubber supply, the U.S. dropped the speed limit to 35 mph to protect tires, and then, in three years, invented from scratch a synthetic-rubber industry that allowed Allied armies to roll over the Nazis. At its peak, Henry Ford’s Willow Run Plant produced a B-24 Liberator every two hours, around the clock. Shipyards in Long Beach and Sausalito spat out Liberty ships at a rate of two a day for four years; the record was a ship built in four days, 15 hours and 29 minutes. A single American factory, Chrysler’s Detroit Arsenal, built more tanks than the whole of the Third Reich.
    But freedom and affluence came with a price. The United States, virtually a demilitarized nation on the eve of the Second World War, never stood down in the wake of victory. To this day, American troops are deployed in 150 countries. Since the 1970s, China has not once gone to war; the U.S. has not spent a day at peace. President Jimmy Carter recently noted that in its 242-year history, America has enjoyed only 16 years of peace, making it, as he wrote, “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” Since 2001, the U.S. has spent over $6 trillion on military operations and war, money that might have been invested in the infrastructure of home. China, meanwhile, built its nation, pouring more cement every three years than America did in the entire 20th century.

    As America policed the world, the violence came home. On D-Day, June 6th, 1944, the Allied death toll was 4,414; in 2019, domestic gun violence had killed that many American men and women by the end of April. By June of that year, guns in the hands of ordinary Americans had caused more casualties than the Allies suffered in Normandy in the first month of a campaign that consumed the military strength of five nations.

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    No point in testing at all if you have to wait a week for the results.

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    How Covid-19 Signals the End of the American Era - Rolling Stone

    More than any other country, the United States in the post-war era lionized the individual at the expense of community and family. It was the sociological equivalent of splitting the atom. What was gained in terms of mobility and personal freedom came at the expense of common purpose. In wide swaths of America, the family as an institution lost its grounding. By the 1960s, 40 percent of marriages were ending in divorce. Only six percent of American homes had grandparents living beneath the same roof as grandchildren; elders were abandoned to retirement homes.

    With slogans like “24/7” celebrating complete dedication to the workplace, men and women exhausted themselves in jobs that only reinforced their isolation from their families. The average American father spends less than 20 minutes a day in direct communication with his child. By the time a youth reaches 18, he or she will have spent fully two years watching television or staring at a laptop screen, contributing to an obesity epidemic that the Joint Chiefs have called a national security crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    And at end of day when more accurate data begin to trickle through, it will be interesting to note how many of the infected were of those that actively rejected precautions like gels, washing hands, masks and social distancing, preferring to protest for their rights to remain stupid; and how many they in turn may have infected.
    Well obviously there won't be any accurate data about that, interesting or not.

    Nobody ticks the box 'Yes, I was an idiot', as you prove every day.


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    How Covid-19 Signals the End of the American Era - Rolling Stone

    For many years, those on the conservative right in the United States have invoked a nostalgia for the 1950s, and an America that never was, but has to be presumed to have existed to rationalize their sense of loss and abandonment, their fear of change, their bitter resentments and lingering contempt for the social movements of the 1960s, a time of new aspirations for women, gays, and people of color. In truth, at least in economic terms, the country of the 1950s resembled Denmark as much as the America of today. Marginal tax rates for the wealthy were 90 percent. The salaries of CEOs were, on average, just 20 times that of their mid-management employees.

    Today, the base pay of those at the top is commonly 400 times that of their salaried staff, with many earning orders of magnitude more in stock options and perks. The elite one percent of Americans control $30 trillion of assets, while the bottom half have more debt than assets. The three richest Americans have more money than the poorest 160 million of their countrymen. Fully a fifth of American households have zero or negative net worth, a figure that rises to 37 percent for black families. The median wealth of black households is a tenth that of whites. The vast majority of Americans — white, black, and brown — are two paychecks removed from bankruptcy. Though living in a nation that celebrates itself as the wealthiest in history, most Americans live on a high wire, with no safety net to brace a fall.

    With the COVID crisis, 40 million Americans lost their jobs, and 3.3 million businesses shut down, including 41 percent of all black-owned enterprises. Black Americans, who significantly outnumber whites in federal prisons despite being but 13 percent of the population, are suffering shockingly high rates of morbidity and mortality, dying at nearly three times the rate of white Americans. The cardinal rule of American social policy — don’t let any ethnic group get below the blacks, or allow anyone to suffer more indignities — rang true even in a pandemic, as if the virus was taking its cues from American history.

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    How Covid-19 Signals the End of the American Era - Rolling Stone

    COVID-19 didn’t lay America low; it simply revealed what had long been forsaken. As the crisis unfolded, with another American dying every minute of every day, a country that once turned out fighter planes by the hour could not manage to produce the paper masks or cotton swabs essential for tracking the disease. The nation that defeated smallpox and polio, and led the world for generations in medical innovation and discovery, was reduced to a laughing stock as a buffoon of a president advocated the use of household disinfectants as a treatment for a disease that intellectually he could not begin to understand.

    As a number of countries moved expeditiously to contain the virus, the United States stumbled along in denial, as if willfully blind. With less than four percent of the global population, the U.S. soon accounted for more than a fifth of COVID deaths. The percentage of American victims of the disease who died was six times the global average. Achieving the world’s highest rate of morbidity and mortality provoked not shame, but only further lies, scapegoating, and boasts of miracle cures as dubious as the claims of a carnival barker, a grifter on the make.


    As the United States responded to the crisis like a corrupt tin pot dictatorship, the actual tin pot dictators of the world took the opportunity to seize the high ground, relishing a rare sense of moral superiority, especially in the wake of the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. The autocratic leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, chastised America for “maliciously violating ordinary citizens’ rights.” North Korean newspapers objected to “police brutality” in America. Quoted in the Iranian press, Ayatollah Khomeini gloated, “America has begun the process of its own destruction.”

    Trump’s performance and America’s crisis deflected attention from China’s own mishandling of the initial outbreak in Wuhan, not to mention its move to crush democracy in Hong Kong. When an American official raised the issue of human rights on Twitter, China’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson, invoking the killing of George Floyd, responded with one short phrase, “I can’t breathe.”

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    How Covid-19 Signals the End of the American Era - Rolling Stone

    Wade Davis holds the Leadership Chair in Cultures and Ecosystems at Risk at the University of British Columbia. His award-winning books include “Into the Silence” and “The Wayfinders.” His new book, “Magdalena: River of Dreams,” is published by Knopf.

    Over the last months, a quip has circulated on the internet suggesting that to live in Canada today is like owning an apartment above a meth lab. Canada is no perfect place, but it has handled the COVID crisis well, notably in British Columbia, where I live. Vancouver is just three hours by road north of Seattle, where the U.S. outbreak began. Half of Vancouver’s population is Asian, and typically dozens of flights arrive each day from China and East Asia. Logically, it should have been hit very hard, but the health care system performed exceedingly well. Throughout the crisis, testing rates across Canada have been consistently five times that of the U.S. On a per capita basis, Canada has suffered half the morbidity and mortality. For every person who has died in British Columbia, 44 have perished in Massachusetts, a state with a comparable population that has reported more COVID cases than all of Canada. As of July 30th, even as rates of COVID infection and death soared across much of the United States, with 59,629 new cases reported on that day alone, hospitals in British Columbia registered a total of just five COVID patients.
    The measure of wealth in a civilized nation is not the currency accumulated by the lucky few, but rather the strength and resonance of social relations and the bonds of reciprocity that connect all people in common purpose.

    This has nothing to do with political ideology, and everything to do with the quality of life. Finns live longer and are less likely to die in childhood or in giving birth than Americans. Danes earn roughly the same after-tax income as Americans, while working 20 percent less. They pay in taxes an extra 19 cents for every dollar earned. But in return they get free health care, free education from pre-school through university, and the opportunity to prosper in a thriving free-market economy with dramatically lower levels of poverty, homelessness, crime, and inequality. The average worker is paid better, treated more respectfully, and rewarded with life insurance, pension plans, maternity leave, and six weeks of paid vacation a year. All of these benefits only inspire Danes to work harder, with fully 80 percent of men and women aged 16 to 64 engaged in the labor force, a figure far higher than that of the United States.

    American politicians dismiss the Scandinavian model as creeping socialism, communism lite, something that would never work in the United States. In truth, social democracies are successful precisely because they foment dynamic capitalist economies that just happen to benefit every tier of society. That social democracy will never take hold in the United States may well be true, but, if so, it is a stunning indictment, and just what Oscar Wilde had in mind when he quipped that the United States was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.

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    ^^^^^
    The end of the American era and the passing of the torch to Asia is no occasion for celebration, no time to gloat. In a moment of international peril, when humanity might well have entered a dark age beyond all conceivable horrors, the industrial might of the United States, together with the blood of ordinary Russian soldiers, literally saved the world. American ideals, as celebrated by Madison and Monroe, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Kennedy, at one time inspired and gave hope to millions.

    If and when the Chinese are ascendant, with their concentration camps for the Uighurs, the ruthless reach of their military, their 200 million surveillance cameras watching every move and gesture of their people, we will surely long for the best years of the American century. For the moment, we have only the kleptocracy of Donald Trump. Between praising the Chinese for their treatment of the Uighurs, describing their internment and torture as “exactly the right thing to do,” and his dispensing of medical advice concerning the therapeutic use of chemical disinfectants, Trump blithely remarked, “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” He had in mind, of course, the coronavirus, but, as others have said, he might just as well have been referring to the American dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    I never understood the importance of mass testing, those tested today may be infected tomorrow so selective testing seems more appropriate to me.
    Try to find the asymptomatic people

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    You mean the super-spreaders ?

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    The plague rats.

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    Yes, you don't want to travel from the US to NZ, you might catch the 'Rona!



    US warns of 'increased caution' travelling to NZ, citing 23 active Covid-19 cases


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    Stupid and greedy mayor should go to jail. even the people in his town wanted it cancelled.

    Health officials are still warning against even small gatherings, and states with relatively low spread of the coronavirus are ordering visitors from hot spots to self-quarantine.

    But come Friday, about 250,000 people from across the country are still expected to start descending on a roughly 7,000-person community in South Dakota for one of the biggest motorcycle rallies in the world, a 10-day extravaganza so deeply rooted that Sturgis calls itself the City of Riders.

    The mayor of Sturgis says there’s not much to do but encourage “personal responsibility,” set up sanitation stations and give out masks — though face coverings won’t be required.

    “We cannot stop people from coming,” Mayor Mark Carstensen said Thursday on CNN.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...rce=reddit.com



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    Florida man....

    TREASURE ISLAND, Fla. (AP) — A Florida man was arrested after confronting a child wearing a mask at a restaurant and spitting in his face when the boy refused to take it off, police said.
    Jason Copenhaver approached the child’s table Sunday and asked the boy if he was wearing a mask, according to Treasure Island police. Authorities did not release the boy’s age.
    Police said the 47-year-old then told the child to take it off. He then grabbed the boy’s hand tightly and put his face next to the child’s, telling the boy he now had the coronavirus, according to police reports.
    “Victim stated that (Copenhaver) was in such close proximity that spit particles from (Copenhaver’s) mouth landed in his face,” an officer wrote in the police report.

    Police: Man spit at boy who refused to remove his mask

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    Just a bit more bad news on the Corona Virus front – although we did know this, or at least expected it, now the Medicos have verified it.

    Asymptomatic folk are contagious – as contagious as sick folk.




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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/even-asymptomatic-people-carry-the-coronavirus-in-high-amounts/ar-BB17ElBR?li=BBorjTa

    Of all the coronavirus’s qualities, perhaps the most surprising has been that seemingly healthy people can spread it to others. This trait has made the virus
    difficult to contain, and continues to challenge efforts to identify and isolate infected people.

    Most of the evidence for asymptomatic spread has been based on observation (a person without symptoms
    nevertheless sickened others) or elimination (people became ill but could not be connected to anyone with symptoms).

    A new study in South Korea, published Thursday in JAMA Internal Medicine, offers more definitive proof that people without symptoms
    carry just as much virus in their nose, throat and lungs as those with symptoms, and for almost as long.

    “It’s important data, that’s for sure,” said Benjamin Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong who was not involved in the work. “And it does confirm what we’ve suspected for a long time — that asymptomatic cases can transmit infection.”



    So, how do you convince someone who May Be infected – no symptoms, that they may be highly contagious? Folk that have absolutely no reason to be bothered even getting tested.

    And, if they actually know for a fact that they are contagious, yet don’t even have a sniffle or scratchy throat, how do you convince them it is in their best interest to go into the full precautionary preventative and protective mode, restricting their liberty and freedom, to protect other people?
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    ^ Why wouldn't they be is the question.
    Of course they are.

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    ‘Screw COVID’: 250,000 Bikers to Defy Common Sense for Nine Days at Sturgis Rally

    Friday is the official start of the 80th annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, where 250,000 people are expected to gather in the South Dakota town of that name for nine days of defying proven precautions against the spread of COVID-19.


    “Nobody is social distancing and none of them are wearing masks,” local psychologist Michael Fellner told The Daily Beast. “None.”


    Fellner is originally from Brooklyn in New York City, which was once the nation’s COVID-19 epicenter but has just reported three straight days without a single death from the virus. The transformation is almost certainly the result of the same precautions the bikers in Sturgis are ignoring.


    The Sturgis Rally’s own official website has a “COVID tracker” tab that links to the South Dakota Health Department site, where offerings include a risk assessment for public gatherings.


    “Highest risk: Large, in-person gatherings where it is difficult for individuals to remain spaced at least 6 feet apart and attendees travel from multiple areas,” it advises.

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    ^and that's all because they do not have a strong leader...

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    I suppose they need warning....

    Americans are being warned against drinking hand sanitiser after four people died and others were left with visual impairments.
    A total of 15 people - 13 men and two women - were admitted to hospital after ingesting sanitiser in the southern states of Arizona and New Mexico in May and June, a new report from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.


    All of them, aged 21 to 65, had drunk hand sanitiser containing methanol, an ingredient deemed "not acceptable" by the US regulator Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    Americans warned not to drink hand sanitiser after four die and others go partially blind | US News | Sky News

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    Another fucking god bothering retard.

    A priest who criticised coronavirus restrictions was diagnosed with Covid-19 hours after he called congregants “lukewarm” catholics for not coming to church during the pandemic.

    Monsignor Charles Pope, of Holy Comforter St Cyprian Catholic Church in Washington D.C. was diagnosed and hospitalised with Covid-19 on 27 July, according to Huffpost.

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    Roman Catholic priest was later released and has been self-isolating at his rectory since Saturday 1 August.
    Priest who blasted 'lukewarm' congregants for not coming to mass over coronavirus fears gets Covid-19 | The Independent

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    There is the very real possibility that we could see the resumption of hostilities between cowboys and Indians....

    Tourists heading to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally will not be allowed through checkpoints on the Cheyenne River Reservation.

    The regulation is part of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe’s COVID-19 prevention policies, said spokesman Remi Bald Eagle.
    Sturgis rally visitors not allowed through Cheyenne River Reservation checkpoints | Local | rapidcityjournal.com
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    Philippines to Begin Trials of Japan-made COVID-19 Treatment

    The Philippines said Friday it had received samples of the Japan-developed anti-viral drug Avigan and could soon begin clinical trials on COVID-19 patients in the country, which now has the highest number of cases in East Asia.

    Health Undersecretary Maria Rosario Vergeire told a virtual news conference that clinical trials of the drug would be carried out soon after some documentation issues were sorted out. She did not elaborate what those were.

    “The medicine is already here, and we are starting soon,” Vergeire said.

    On Thursday, the Japanese Embassy in Manila said Tokyo had already delivered Avigan tablets for some 100 patients as part of emergency aid to nations heavily affected by the virus.

    Avigan is the brand name for favipiravir, an anti-viral drug made by a unit of Japanese giant Fujifilm Holdings Corp. that is being touted as a likely treatment for COVID-19, as the world waits for development of a vaccine capable of preventing it.

    It is among more than a dozen therapeutic drugs being tested or used to fight the virus, according to The New York Times, which lists it among a group of treatments that show some promising results in cells or animals that need to be confirmed in people.

    On Friday, the Philippine health department reported 3,379 new infections, bringing the total number of COVID-19 positive cases here to 122,754 – the highest in the region so far, overtaking Indonesia. There were also 24 new deaths, with the toll now at 2,168.

    Vergeire downplayed public concerns that hospitals might soon be so filled with infected people that doctors would need to begin prioritizing patients more likely to survive.

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    I would love to bump into one of these pompous fucking arseholes.


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    Would you? I know Hoohoo and Klondyke would...

    Amid the high number of coronavirus cases across the world, Russia is all set to register world's first COVID-19 vaccine next week, according to reports. The vaccine was developed by Gamaleya Research Institute and the Russian Defence Ministry. The vaccine will be registered on August 12.

    "The COVID-19 vaccine developed by the Gamaleya centre will be registered on August 12. At the moment, the last, third, stage is underway. The trials are extremely important. We have to understand that the vaccine must be safe. Medical professionals and senior citizens will be the first to get vaccinated," Gridnev told reporters, according to reports. After the registration, the vaccine will be reportedly tested on about 1,600 people to ensure its safety and effectiveness.

    In April, Russia President Vladimir Putin ordered state officials to shorten the time of clinical trials for a variety of drugs, including potential coronavirus vaccines.

    Clinical trials of the vaccine began on June 17 among 76 volunteers. Half were injected with a vaccine in liquid form and the other half with a vaccine that came as soluble powder, according to news agency AP.

    Initial reports showed immunity in all participants, the Russian Defence Ministry said. "The results of the check-up clearly demonstrate an unmistakable immune response attained through the vaccination. No side effects or issues with the body of the volunteers were found", the ministry said, according to Sputnik News.

    "We are very much counting on starting mass production in September," Industry Minister Denis Manturov said in an interview published by state news agency TASS.
    Russia all set to launch world's first COVID-19 vaccine next week, 'hope they have tested it', says Fauci

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