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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    It is not.
    Sorry to break the news to you, but it is. It's an RNA Virus and it mutates.

    COVID-19 Will Mutate — What That Means for a Vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Sorry to break the news to you, but it is. It's an RNA Virus and it mutates.

    COVID-19 Will Mutate — What That Means for a Vaccine
    You need to Google a bit more 'arry.

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    Erm...

    Coronavirus | New Scientist

    Coronavirus - Wikipedia

    Coronaviruses (CoVs), enveloped positive-sense RNA viruses, are characterized by club-like spikes that project from their surface, an unusually large RNA genome, and a unique replication strategy.

    Coronaviruses: An Overview of Their Replication and Pathogenesis

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    ^ and your point LatinKaren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    You need to Google a bit more 'arry.
    You need to come up with better than one line, irrelevant responses.

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    Much to the annoyance of sports fans and culture hounds, events with large audiences have been put on ice over the past few months thanks to the ongoing global Covid-19 pandemic. But as social distancing and lockdown measures start to ease up around the world, what’s the risk of such events? A massive new experiment plans to employ the help of a German pop star and 4,000 fans to find out.

    Scientists at the University Hospital Halle (Saale) in Germany, funded by the federal states of Saxony-Anhalt and Saxony, are hoping to get insights into how the coronavirus might spread at mass gatherings by closely observing three different scenarios at a concert by German singer-songwriter Tim Bendzko at Leipzig Arena on August 22.

    The volunteers, healthy people aged 18 to 50, will be tested for Covid-19 48 hours before the concert and they will only be allowed to enter if they test negative. The researchers will give the concert-goers an FFP2 filter face mask and a
    fluorescent hand sanitizer that allows the scientists to track the surfaces most often touched by audience members.


    Most crucially, all participants will also be given an electronic tag that regularly beams back data about their distance, duration, and frequency of contact with other audience members. Once all of the data on peoples’ movements and interactions are collected, it will be run through a computer model that looks at how the coronavirus could be spread from person to person.


    The experiment will play out under three different scenarios: one scenario will be just like pre-Covid-19 (albeit with necessary precautions like face masks) with 4,000 participants; another simulation also with 4,000 participants will see the entrance and movement of the audience controlled; and the third simulation with just 2,000 participants will look at 1.5-meters (5 feet) social distancing between seat rows.


    “The corona pandemic paralyzes the event industry. As long as there is a risk of contagion, no major concerts and trade fairs or sports events are allowed. That is why it is so important to find out which technical or organizational framework can effectively minimize the risk of infection,” Professor Armin Willingmann, Saxony-Anhalt's Minister of Economics, said in a
    statement.


    Scientists still have
    very little hard evidence about how Covid-19 spreads at mass gatherings, although a number of case studies have suggested that large public meetings could provide fertile ground for transmission.


    “If we want to allow major events again in the future, we need scientific knowledge about how we can minimize the risk of infection and create more security for all participants," said Petra Köpping, Saxony's Minister of State for Social Affairs and Social Cohesion. "I am very happy that we can support such an important project across borders and thus enable the way back to more normality. Because, of course, major events are to take place again in the future, but as the government, we also have to assume our responsibility for protecting the population.”


    https://www.iflscience.com/health-an...ss-gatherings/

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    The United States is failing to report vital information on Covid-19 that could help track the spread of the disease and prevent the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans, according to the first comprehensive review of the nation’s coronavirus data.

    The report, Tracking Covid-19 in the United States, paints a bleak picture of the country’s response to the disease. Five months into the pandemic, the essential intelligence that would allow public health authorities to get to grips with the virus is still not being compiled in usable form.

    That includes critical data on testing, contact tracing, new cases and deaths.

    What the authors call “life-and-death information” is being pulled together haphazardly by individual states in a way that is “inconsistent, incomplete and inaccessible in most locations”. Without such intelligence the country is effectively walking blind, with very little chance of getting “our children to school in the fall, ourselves back to work, our economy restarted, and preventing tens of thousands of deaths”.

    The review has been carried out by Resolve to Save Lives, a part of the global health group Vital Strategies. It is led by Tom Frieden, the former director of the main US public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    Frieden lays the blame for the parlous and deadly state of data-keeping squarely on Donald Trump. Presenting the report, he said that the chaotic picture was the product of “the failure of national leadership. The US is flying blind in our effort to curb the spread of Covid-19.”

    He added that the “lack of common standards, definitions, and accountability reflects the absence of national strategy, plan, leadership, communication or organization and results in a cacophony of confusing data”.

    Resolve to Save Lives collaborated with leading US health organisations, including the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and the American Public Health Association, to produce a checklist of 15 essential data points in the fight against Covid-19. Among the categories that must be recorded if the disease is to be contained are real-time reporting of people presenting with Covid-like symptoms, new confirmed cases, hospitalisations, deaths and contact tracing.

    What the authors discovered makes shocking reading, even for a country that has repeatedly generated grim headlines since the pandemic began. Across all states, only 40% of the essential data points are being monitored and reported to the public.

    More than half of the critical information is still going entirely unreported – depriving political leaders of the weapons they need to fight the virus. In the case of 11 out of the 15 essential data points, not a single state was reporting them correctly; and in a further nine of the categories more than half of the states are failing to report any information on them at all.

    Most alarming is contact tracing, a technique for isolating infected individuals that most experts agree is central to any attempt to control the pandemic. The report found that the information shared on contact tracing was “abysmal”, with not a single state reporting the turnaround time for diagnostic test results and only two states recording how long it took contact tracers to interview people who tested positive to identify others they may have infected.

    The lack of a federal strategy to fight Covid-19 has been evident in the US from early on. The authors point out that many countries such as Germany, Senegal and South Korea have introduced national Covid-19 dashboards that standardize data and make it easy for health experts to track and combat the virus.

    By contrast, Trump has encouraged the proliferation of chaos and confusion at state level by barring aggressive federal action. Since the first case of coronavirus was reported in Washington state on 20 January, the US president has used his considerable powers to undermine a science and data-driven fight against the disease.

    He has frequently predicted the virus would “disappear” of its own accord, most recently in his Fox News Sunday interview with Chris Wallace this weekend.

    Under his anti-scientific approach, Trump has tried to block new funding for the CDC and for coronavirus testing which he claims falsely is responsible for the huge increase in cases across many states. He has also presided over a smear campaign against Anthony Fauci, the top infectious diseases expert in the US.

    By consistently resisting an aggressive federal attack on the virus, and offloading responsibility – and he hopes, political accountability – for the unfolding calamity on to the states, Trump has created the conditions for the current surge of infection across huge swaths of the country.

    The impact in terms of lives lost or disrupted is plainly cast in the latest atrocious figures that show the number of confirmed cases at 3.8m nationwide and rising in 40 out of 50 states. More than 140,000 Americans have died so far – almost twice the number recorded by the next most affected country, Brazil.

    Ultimately, the lack of consistent nationwide intelligence matters for two reasons – it makes the job of isolating and controlling the disease more difficult, and it leaves the public clueless as to the severity of the threat that surrounds them. Two groups of citizens are put especially at risk as a result of the dearth of data – older people in nursing homes and African Americans.

    The report notes that a third of states are still not reporting any data on outbreaks of Covid-19 in facilities with contained populations such as nursing homes, homeless shelters, and prisons and jails. That poses a major risk to life as more than 40% of deaths in the US have been in long-term care facilities including nursing homes.

    States are also failing to report real-time data on the demographic breakdown of the disease, notably for race and ethnicity. Black Americans have borne the brunt of the pandemic, dying at almost three times the rate of white Americans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/coronavirus-data-flying-blind-trump-us-failure

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    Coronavirus taking off in rural US state of Idaho

    Washington (AFP) - Since last week, the small, rural northwestern US state of Idaho has been racking up 500 new coronavirus cases a day -- a sign of the exponential spread of the disease across the country.


    With just 1.8 million inhabitants, Idaho -- famous for its potatoes and meat processing plants -- is seeing a virus resurgence as it also sweeps through the US South and West.


    Meanwhile, New York and the northeastern United States, where the epidemic first hit hardest, have succeeded in tamping down infection rates.


    Before June 15, Idaho was reporting fewer than 50 new cases a day. On Sunday, it reported 550, and more than 700 cases last Thursday.

    MORE Coronavirus taking off in rural US state of Idaho

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    How Deadly Is Covid-19? Researchers Are Getting Closer to an Answer


    Research suggests the new coronavirus kills about five to 10 people for every 1,000 that it infects, though rate varies based on age and access to health care


    Six months into the pandemic, researchers are homing in on an answer to one of the basic questions about the virus: How deadly is it?


    Researchers, initially analyzing data from outbreaks on cruise ships and more recently from surveys of thousands of people in virus hot spots, have now conducted dozens of studies to calculate the infection fatality rate of Covid-19.


    That research—examining deaths out of the total number of infections, which includes unreported cases—suggests that Covid-19 kills from around 0.3% to 1.5% of people infected. Most studies put the rate between 0.5% and 1.0%, meaning that for every 1,000 people who get infected, from five to 10 would die on average.

    MORE How Deadly Is Covid-19? Researchers Are Getting Closer to an Answer - WSJ

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    The US could learn a lot from the Australian response. Though it has been far from perfect, our contact tracing is excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    Though it has been far from perfect, our contact tracing is excellent.
    Just as well they can easily track the outbreak from the massive quarantine failure in Victoria.

    "Far from perfect"... I'd say it was a complete failure.

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    No...the USA and Brazil are complete failures. As were Italy, Spain and England for some time.

    Victoria had an outbreak, but Queensland, for example, has zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    Victoria had an outbreak, but Queensland, for example, has zero.
    Indeed and are back in lock down and hitting daily spike rate records all because they couldn't keep people quarantined in, err, quarantine -- i.e. a complete failure by any definition of the word.

    Meanwhile close to 200 people in Queensland who were supposed to be quarantining at home either gave false details to police at the border or moved and can't be found. Not sure where you get zero from either as QLD has over 1,000 confirmed cases.

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    Currently zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    Currently zero.
    That's not correct either.

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    You're right....a Victorian came up here. Feeling better, Mr Pedantic Troll ?



    1 New cases (last 24h)

    1,073 Total cases

    474,333 Total tests

    6 Total lives lost

    Queensland COVID-19 statistics | Health and wellbeing | Queensland Government

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    Looks like Mexico is going to take the UK's third spot, at this rate we won't finish in the top 5

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    Queensland had zero COVID cases for about 2 weeks.

    Then the borders opened and one person came here who had it. was discovered and isolated.

    And you think this gives you a right to behave in such a petty way.....

    Moron.

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    Brisbane is northern New south wales

    Fcuking southerners

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    So, we are meandering up and down the Western seaboard of the Gulf of Thailand.
    Phetchaburi, Cha Am, Hua Hin, Kui Buri, and all places in between. In a word Dismal.

    Yup all these are, well, were solid tourist resort beach areas. Thriving off tourists. Not Any More.

    Empty. Signage: Closed, For Rent, For Sale. Shuttered stores. Closed restaurants. Closed/empty vendor stalls, everywhere. Beaches – wide open. Strollers, sunbathers, swimmers, a small few. Only a handful. No customers. Vendors sitting and hoping. Bored silly, playing with their smart phones. NO Customers.

    Large shut down resort hotels -not small ones, 4 & 5 story hotel resorts with closed signs on locked gates.

    Covid precaution signs, face masks required, log in books, hand sanitizer, everywhere. Had my temperature measured a couple of times. Nobody cares. The tourist business is dead. Gone and buried. The people have moved on.

    Row after row of empty beach recliners under the umbrellas. No vendors. Used to have dozens of vendors carrying just about everything you want, food, drink, trinkets, foot/face massages, etc. Not anymore.

    Empty, the beaches are empty and the seashore business no longer exists.

    The new normal is a ghost town. Guess they’ll all have to go back to being fishing villagers…

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    The World hits 15 million. The US hits four million.

    That's 27% of the world's cases with 4.25% of the world's population.

    Well done baldy orange cunto, so much winning!

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    Thai Version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Currently zero.
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    That's not correct either.
    Actually, you are both correct.

    Technically Ant is factually correct, and LD is correct in the spirit of the statistic.


    What LD was referring to is the most important statistic ... the rate of Community infection

    Ant is referring to 'Absolute' cases, for which there is one case in Queensland.


    When an overseas citizen returns or interstate traveller visits a State (where they are not normally domiciled) they are considered a case 'against' that State.
    They can be isolated and quarantined.
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Brisbane is northern New south wales

    Fcuking southerners
    Actually, the Gold Coast Mayor, who is not known as an intellectual, proposed a temporary logical answer to the the Border impasse.


    Move the QLD/NSW border south to the Tweed River


    QLD Premier formally suggested same in a letter to the NSW Premier.

    She replied in kind ...

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