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    Calm down Hazza. The problem is that what we get stats wise is likely very understated so perhaps a national emergency being declared is for once the right approach in chink land....if i interpreted that right.

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    SINGAPORE - There are seven new coronavirus cases in Singapore, the Ministry of Health announced on Saturday (Feb 8).
    Of these, five are linked to previously announced cases.
    Among the new confirmed cases are a taxi driver and a private-hire car driver, it said.
    There is also a possible new cluster comprising five cases, linked to The Life Church and Missions Singapore in Paya Lebar.
    The total number of people infected here has grown to 40.
    Two of the patients have been discharged, but four are now in critical condition and in the intensive care unit, said MOH in its latest update.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-7-new-confirmed-cases-in-spore-possible-new-cluster-involving-church-in-paya

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    PARIS, Feb 8 (Reuters) - Three British children under examination in hospital in France, including one who has tested positive for the new coronavirus, attended school in the mountain village of Contamines-Montjoie, local mayor Etienne Jacquet told BFM TV.
    Health authorities have said two schools in the area would be shut next week as they investigate who those infected had come into contact with.
    Contamines-Montjoie is also home to a ski resort.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-france-children/british-children-in-french-coronavirus-probe-attended-local-school-mayor-idUSL8N2A80DE?rpc=401&

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    This thing ispreading like crazy.
    I'd like to know what exactly the people who die, what is the actual cause of death.
    I'd also be interested in the demographics of the deceased so far.
    The doctor who died was only 34 and not reported to be in ill health.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I'd like to know what exactly the people who die, what is the actual cause of death.
    I believe it is pneumonia, but a type of pneumonia that can't be treated by conventional meds and relies on the body's immune system

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    Schools with pupils who visited China on their Xmas break, either on organised trips or who are themselves mainland Chinese enrolled as students, should be shut down.

    Thailand has of course any number of international schools in Bangkok and Pattaya with mainland Chinese students enrolled as day and boarding school pupils in addition to western pupils whose parents work in China. Many of this demographic were in China during the Xmas break.

    Two of the most potent drivers in the spread of contagion through society are hospitals and schools.

    As we know from our own myriad personal experiences, organised coherent and intelligent action is not the Thai strongest suit so I suspect no one will decide anything until too lat.....as always.

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    Best to pre-empt the danger to the world and send Pattaya out to sea and sink it.

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    Hong Kong introducing a 2 week quarantine on people entering from the mainland is going to cause all sorts of headaches considering how many people that will affect. That's a very busy border with tens of thousands crossing every day.
    Many business people and people who live in the mainland and work in Hong Kong.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Hong Kong introducing a 2 week quarantine on people entering from the mainland is going to cause all sorts of headaches considering how many people that will affect. That's a very busy border with tens of thousands crossing every day.
    Many business people and people who live in the mainland and work in Hong Kong.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Well, there won't be now, will there?

    And that's the point.

    Thailand must close its border to the Chinese mainlanders but as we know they simply have not got the intelligence to act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Somehow I have a feeling that these next days are going to be even more deadly.



    Interview translated from german into english:

    The British epidemic expert Jeremy Farrar believes that a vaccine against the coronavirus 2019-nCoV will come too late to prevent the global spread of the disease. "And if we are unlucky, it will never succeed," says Farrar in the SPIEGEL interview.
    The director of the Wellcome Trust, one of the world's largest medical research foundations, believes it is possible that this new virus will not go away after a few months like the previous SARS lung disease, but will remain a constant threat like the flu.Farrar doubts that residents of western metropolises such as Munich or Paris would tolerate a week-long shutdown of their cities like in China in the event of a pandemic. Such restrictions on civil rights "could create a highly explosive situation," said the doctor.The corona virus spreads much faster than the previous lung disease SARS, with which it is related. Already after a few weeks, the corona virus has infected more people in the world and killed more people in China than SARS in nine months. Nightmarish conditions prevail in Wuhan and increasingly in other parts of China. The hospitals are overcrowded, doctors and nurses are working at the limit. They risk their lives to help the patients. We are also indebted to them.
    Much depends on whether this virus mutates, and if so when, what causes it, and how; if it does mutate then any eventual vaccine could be worthless.

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    Thousands of new cases since yesterday morning.

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    Flying back to the US Tuesday. Loathing the thought of being at airports and closed in an airliner cabin with a bunch of people. N95 mask and hand sanitizer at the ready.

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    I’m thinking of putting alcohol in a spritz bottle and giving my seating area a disinfect before I sit down. Reckon that’s overkill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I’m thinking of putting alcohol in a spritz bottle and giving my seating area a disinfect before I sit down. Reckon that’s overkill?
    That's exactly what my local pharmacist suggested to me - ethanol; I bought a big bottle and he gave me 4 little bottles to carry it around in - washing hands and surfaces, he said.

    Have a nice flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I’m thinking of putting alcohol in a spritz bottle and giving my seating area a disinfect before I sit down. Reckon that’s overkill?
    Nope. My business partner flew to the UK last week, 'sanitised' his seat, armrests, tray table, screen etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Reckon that’s overkill?
    Not to me.

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    I just flew back to Oz from the US.......didn't see any passengers wearing masks. Only airport workers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What a relief at last...

    World currently 'not in a pandemic' of China virus: WHO
    PUBLISHED : 4 FEB 2020 AT 20:45
    I think next week they will change their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    That's exactly what my local pharmacist suggested to me - ethanol; I bought a big bottle and he gave me 4 little bottles to carry it around in - washing hands and surfaces, he said.

    Have a nice flight.
    Good luck taking that in your hand luggage.

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    I flew in from Hong Kong the other day,never saw any of the mass hysteria I'm seeing here on a forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Jesus, how will this continue ?
    Do these people have to stay on board now for 14 days.
    If 20 people test positive again in let's say 10 days, does the rest have to remain on board another 14 days......and so on....
    Six more passengers, including another American, have fallen ill on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that is quarantined off the coast of Japan, bringing the ship's total to 69 passengers who have been diagnosed with coronavirus.


    I guess cruise ships are going out of business these next months. Or would anyone be mad enough to take a cruise ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Two of the most potent drivers in the spread of contagion through society are hospitals and schools. .
    Erm i'd say mass transport is also very good.

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    The Chinese government would have the world believe that the coronavirus is under control and the risks of it spreading to the rest of us is minimal. But foreign governments and intelligence agencies believe that China has been lying about the extent of the epidemic and continues to deny the truth about the numbers of dead and infected.
    Judging by leaked videos on social media that purpotedly show the dead lying untended in the street, bodies wrapped in sheets lying on benches and crematoriums working 24/7 with bodies unceremoniously stuffed into ovens with no burial rites, millions of Chinese people appear to agree with the foreign assessments.

    The official story goes like this: when the new variant of the coronavirus first emerged early last month, the Chinese government moved swiftly to contain the outbreak by quarantining the city of Wuhan with a population of 11 million where the disease was first detected. Over the next three weeks, the quarantine expanded to include 15 other cities with a total population of around 56 million.

    So far, the government admits to 723 deaths, including a 60-year-old American living in China, and around 34,000 being treated in hospital with the admitted numbers climbing rapidly. Schools are shut, flights and trains canceled and roads blocked as the government tries to control the spread of the virus.

    The epidemic has now spread to 28 other countries involving 214 cases with more being reported daily. Although travel restrictions are being imposed globally on all people and aircraft coming from China, the actions may be too little, too late. One report suggests that so many flights had already left Wuhan before restrictions were in place that 128 new cities around the world may be infected.


    The federal government is quarantining people flying from Wuhan at Travis Air Force Base in Sacramento, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego, Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio and Eppley Airfield in Omaha. What exactly is to be done about indirect flights or those already in America who might be infected is being left to state governments with no common policy.


    Even a superficial examination of the official Chinese numbers suggest they are minimizing a problem that seems — so far — to be uncontrollable. If 56 million people are in quarantine with only 723 deaths, the problem is minuscule and the government is seriously overreacting. For comparison, out of America’s population of 329 million, the Centers for Disease Control says that in the 2018-19 flu season 43 million people were infected, 647,000 hospitalized and 61,000 died. Yet, despite the heavy casualties, the US has never considered quarantining 4 percent of the population as China has now done.

    Away from the official narrative, the reports being smuggled out of China paint a terrifying picture of a government losing control of the epidemic. Much has been made of the construction of a new hospital from scratch in 10 days but less has been discussed about how medical supplies have run out in many hospitals with the sick and dying lying untreated in corridors because of a chronic shortage of beds.

    An authoritarian regime is able to impose rigorous controls on the movement of people. For example, in areas under quarantine, only one member of a family is allowed out every two days to buy essential supplies. But food is now scarce and often unavailable altogether.


    Inside China, reliable reporting free of government censorship is not possible. Already a number of commentators and journalists have been arrested for questioning the party line and any social media posts critical of the government are swiftly taken down. Even so, there is a vigorous social media conversation on outlets like the microblogging site Weibo but these all happen within the confines of the party line. Other sites, such as the news aggregator Toutiao, have fact checkers who try and dispel rumors but they, too, rely on the government for ‘truth’.


    Li Wenliang, the 34-year-old ophthalmologist in Wuhan, who first raised the alarm about the virus last December, has died of the infection according to reports in China. He was forced to retract his warning and said he had spread an unfounded rumor. Even his death has prompted an overreaction by the authorities who forced several newspapers to cut their online reports of his death after they had been published. His death resulted in an unprecedented outpouring of criticism of the government on social media.


    The military has now been brought in to help enforce the restrictions but the army is seen as so corrupt and poorly trained that their arrival has been greeted by widespread derision. The military have been ordered to go door to door taking the temperature of all residents. Anyone suspected of having the virus is taken and placed in huge quarantine camps containing thousands of people. Already, there are not enough doctors and medicine to treat all the infected so these camps may well prove incubators for even more infection and death.


    Nowhere is this ambivalence to the military’s involvement reflected more graphically than within China’s government and business community. In the past few weeks, international donors have offered billions in aid to help combat the spread of the virus. But, in dozens of instances, donors have been advised to keep their money until the virus is contained, which will be months from now. Outside of official government propaganda, there is a recognition that donor money would simply be wasted because of corruption in agencies within China and the inability of anyone to deliver much of anything to the infected areas, especially medicine and food.


    If nobody seems to accept the official line of few deaths and low infection numbers, what is the true story? The short answer is that when an authoritarian regime controls all media outlets and arrests anyone who talks outside the party line, truth is hard to discover. The Japanese government, which has very good sources in China, has told other governments that it believes hundreds of thousands may have been infected and thousands may already be dead.


    Even if the real numbers of dead, dying and infected are unknown, there does seem to be general agreement that a global pandemic is likely. A virus like this one can die out naturally after the disease fails to adapt to humans. Or, it might be contained by treatment or quarantine but that seems to have failed so far. A third scenario that keeps all disease fighters up at night is that this is a true pandemic that only dies out after all likely people have either been infected and survived or been infected and died.


    Today, the best estimate for a viable treatment for coronavirus is at least a year away and all current assessments suggest that banning flights or quarantining travelers has proved ineffective in dealing with past viral outbreaks.

    Even if the coronavirus can be contained, the damage to the Chinese government’s credibility inside the country and on the global stage will be long-lasting. From the start of the epidemic just four weeks ago, literally nobody outside of China has believed the official story and the propaganda becomes less believable as each day passes.

    For the population of China itself, a whole network of unofficial social media and smuggled videos and reports has emerged to counter the official government line. This samizdat response, which has engaged tens of millions of people, has done much to undermine the credibility and control of China’s central government.

    https://spectator.us/china-hiding-bad-coronavirus/

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    Hey misskit, maybe you could pick up one of these....

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