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    Some potentially good news.

    New Antibody Completely Neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus.


    New Antibody Completely Neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus | Medicine | Sci-News.com

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    Well this boy is a fighter.

    A British pilot who was critically ill with Covid-19 in Vietnam has awoken from a coma and is showing signs of improvement, yet his long-term outlook remains ominous, doctors have said.
    The man, 43, who works for Vietnam Airlines, had awoken from a coma and was capable of basic communication after doctors reduced his levels of sedative medication, Vietnamese state media announced on Wednesday.
    The patient, referred to in Vietnam as Patient 91, developed a fever and cough on 17 March and was later admitted to Ho Chi Minh City Hospital for Tropical Diseases. Since then, he has spent more than two months on life support.
    Tran Thanh Linh, the deputy head of Ho Chi Minh City-based Cho Ray hospital’s intensive care unit, told local media the man was able to perform simple gestures such as moving fingers and toes, yet breathing issues, organ damage and limb weaknesses remain.
    The pilot is on an extracorporeal membrane oxygenation machine (ECMO), a form of life support used when a person’s heart or lungs are unable to fully function, and is being treated with antibiotics, according to a report posted on the government’s official news portal early in May.
    Linh added that, by the end of this week, an official decision would be announced on whether or not doctors would gradually wean him off ECMO, or even stop the treatment altogether. His lungs are currently functioning at about 20-30%, an increase from 10% a few weeks ago.
    The man is no longer receiving kidney dialysis treatment and has repeatedly tested negative for Covid-19. Yet after experiencing cytokine storms, an overreaction of the immune system, his organs have been so severely damaged he remains in a poor condition.
    Todd Pollack, a Hanoi-based infectious diseases specialist at Harvard medical school, said the situation was worrying. “A quick review of the medical literature shows that use of ECMO in Covid-19 patients is associated with very high mortality rates of 50-82%, based on early reports from China, so his general prognosis is not good based on the long-term requirement for ECMO.”
    Vietnam, a country that has as yet reported no deaths from Covid-19, has focused all available resources and spent more than $200,000 on saving the patient’s life.
    Earlier in May, reports suggested the man could receive a double lung transplant if a suitable donor was found. Last week, Vietnam’s health ministry said it was considering repatriating the man to the UK for further treatment if his condition allowed.
    “A lung transplant would obviously only be considered if there were no other options,” Pollack said. “There are case reports from China of successful lung transplants being performed for patients with respiratory failures.”
    The British embassy in Hanoi said it was unable to comment on the case, citing patient confidentiality, although the British consul general, Ian Gibbons, sent a letter to medical staff in Ho Chi Minh City on 21 May thanking them for their support.
    Vietnam, a country of 96 million people that shares a border with China, has so far recorded just 327 cases of Covid-19, owing in part to its aggressive contact tracing campaigns, creative public health messaging and decisive, early action.
    Nguyen Quoc Thai, an intensive care doctor at the infectious disease department of Hanoi’s Bach Mai hospital, said: “In China, they did the operation with teams who have experienced hundreds of cases each year. Our Vietnam team has worked on just a few cases, so it’s … very courageous when we mention such a double lung transplant. I hope everything will go smoothly, but still, I worry so much.
    “At this time, with advances in medical transportation, I believe the patient could be transported safely back to his home country … but I am afraid the decision would push him to be in peace, instead of fighting in his homeland.
    “Now, we all know the patient cannot live without the continuation of ECMO support. His lungs and other organs are in bad condition. But he is still alive.
    “Many people want to save money for other very poor patients, and they are thinking about ending the treatment. However, I don’t think we should. For me, as a physician, I value any tiny opportunity to save lives. We cannot bargain over lives.”




    British pilot with coronavirus in Vietnam wakes from coma | World news | The Guardian

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    Australian anti-vaxxers label Covid-19 a 'scam' and break distancing rules at anti-5G protests

    Australian anti-vaxxers label Covid-19 a 'scam' and break distancing rules at anti-5G protests | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

    Hundreds of anti-vaccination protesters have defied social distancing measures at rallies in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.


    Protesters claiming the Covid-19 pandemic was a “scam” gathered at the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne on Saturday, and carried signs declaring they were against vaccines and 5G technology.


    Their placards claimed “5G = communism”, “Covid 1984” and “our ignorance is their strength”.


    They booed police – clad in gloves and face masks – who warned the crowd that they were breaching social distancing rules designed to slow the spread of coronavirus.


    In a statement, police said those found in breach of Covid-19 directions faced fines of $1,652 each.


    In Sydney, up to 500 protesters voiced conspiracy theories regarding not only vaccination but also 5G telecommunication networks, fluoride and large pharmaceutical corporations.


    The group convened at Hyde Park in the CBD before holding a singalong of anti-vaccination songs and walking to NSW Parliament House.


    They chanted “freedom of choice” and “my body, my choice” on the march, with some attempting to raise the spectre of a “new world order”.


    The walk passed without incident or police intervention.


    When asked about the protest, Victoria’s chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said “there’s no message that can get through to people who have no belief in science”.


    “There’s probably no reaching them,” he earlier told reporters.

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    When Noopur Raje’s husband fell critically ill with Covid-19 in mid-March, she did not suspect that she too was infected with the virus.

    Raje, an oncologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, had been caring for her sick husband for a week before driving him to an emergency centre with a persistently high fever. But after she herself had a diagnostic PCR test – which looks for traces of the Sars-CoV-2 virus DNA in saliva – she was astounded to find that the result was positive.

    “My husband ended up very sick,” she says. “He was in intensive care for a day, and in hospital for 10 days. But while I was also infected, I had no symptoms at all. I have no idea why we responded so differently.”

    It took two months for Raje’s husband to recover. Repeated tests, done every five days, showed that Raje remained infected for the same length of time, all while remaining completely asymptomatic. In some ways it is unsurprising that the virus persisted in her body for so long, given that it appears her body did not even mount a detectable immune response against the infection.

    When they both took an antibody test earlier this month, Raje’s husband showed a high level of antibodies to the virus, while Raje appeared to have no response at all, something she found hard to comprehend.
    Could nearly half of those with Covid-19 have no idea they are infected? | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    while Raje appeared to have no response at all, something she found hard to comprehend.
    Yet the Test results certificate is mandatory to visit foreign lands.

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    ^^ yes, the inconsistency of the test results leaves us somewhat blind concerning the intricacies of combating Covid.

    The only more or less valid number we can use for tracking Covid is Fatalities - the fatality of a Covid symptomatic is a pretty valid indicator. Yes, some fatalities ascribed to Covid may, if fact, be a result of another illness, but all things considered, not a significance data alteration.

    The trend in fatalities provides a metric we can use. The trend in the USA and Europe is generally downward. As countries relax restrictions we can use the trend in fatalities to adjust restrictions as, or if, required.

    My biggest interest today is in the impact of the many protests in the USA on the trend in fatalities. Average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days and the average time from diagnose to death is 18 days. So, the average time from exposure to death is 24 days.

    Standing by to see if the USA has a large increase in Covid-19 deaths starting @ June 20/21. If so, we could attribute it to the significant abandonment of social distancing protocols during the protests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    ^^ yes, the inconsistency of the test results leaves us somewhat blind concerning the intricacies of combating Covid.

    The only more or less valid number we can use for tracking Covid is Fatalities - the fatality of a Covid symptomatic is a pretty valid indicator. Yes, some fatalities ascribed to Covid may, if fact, be a result of another illness, but all things considered, not a significance data alteration.

    The trend in fatalities provides a metric we can use. The trend in the USA and Europe is generally downward. As countries relax restrictions we can use the trend in fatalities to adjust restrictions as, or if, required.

    My biggest interest today is in the impact of the many protests in the USA on the trend in fatalities. Average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days and the average time from diagnose to death is 18 days. So, the average time from exposure to death is 24 days.

    Standing by to see if the USA has a large increase in Covid-19 deaths starting @ June 20/21. If so, we could attribute it to the significant abandonment of social distancing protocols during the protests.
    So if infections spike you wouldn't consider that a measure that states have opened up too soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So if infections spike you wouldn't consider that a measure that states have opened up too soon?
    No, that would be a good indication - the qualifier and/or disqualification would be in the number of tests administered - clinicians guidelines currently are first responders, medical personnel and symptomatic individuals. Preselective testing artificially inflates the number of positives per test administered.

    The Covid testing is still flawed with inconsistencies, false positives and negatives and unrepeatable results. Can you use inconsistent data to make life and death decisions?

    Is sheltering in place a solution? Yes. Can you enforce it? No.

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    CDC chief defends failure to spot early coronavirus spread in U.S.
    Lena H. Sun and Joel Achenbach, The Washington Post Published 8:57 pm EDT, Friday, May 29, 2020

    WASHINGTON - The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday defended the agency's failure to find early spread of the coronavirus in the United States, noting that surveillance systems "kept eyes" on the disease.

    "We were never really blind when it came to surveillance" for covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, CDC chief Robert Redfield said. Even if widespread diagnostic testing had been in place, it would have been like "looking for a needle in a haystack," he said.

    Redfield was among three CDC officials who spoke with reporters Friday about a comprehensive analysis by the agency that found the coronavirus began spreading in the United States as early as the second half of January, eluding detection by public health surveillance systems that help monitor for early signs of novel contagions.

    Reporters who received the report had requested to speak with experts. It was the first such CDC briefing in nearly three months.

    The report looked at public health surveillance data, confirmed cases of covid-19 and the transmission of distinct genetic strains of the virus. The results are consistent with other scientific studies that have described a two-stage viral attack that began in January on the West Coast with the coronavirus introduced by travelers from China and continued in February as travelers from Europe brought the virus to the East Coast. Most of the virus spreading in the United States can be traced to the introductions from Europe.

    Redfield said the findings debunk speculation the virus was circulating months earlier.

    "There was one opinion that was circulating that in November, December and January, there was, if you will, significant seeding of the nation," Redfield said. "And what this data clearly shows is by four independent lines of evidence, that the early introduction of this virus in the Northwest and Northern California was sometime between the second week of January and the second week of February."

    Jay Butler, CDC's deputy director for infectious diseases, said the findings also show that transmission was limited and not as widespread as some experts have suggested.

    Addressing the botched CDC rollout of test kits that experts say allowed the virus to take hold and spread quickly, Redfield said diagnostic testing would have made little difference at that time. When U.S. cases were first detected in January and February, health officials identified about 800 high-risk individuals who had been in contact with infected patients. Only two of those people tested positive, he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So if infections spike you wouldn't consider that a measure that states have opened up too soon?
    Opening up too soon has little to do with anything, as the pathogen is still very active in any scenario.

    What has been abandoned is the individual/collective responsibility of observing and practicing safety measures [masks, distancing, isolating from crowds, etc], therefore the principle reasons why the numbers continue to grow in fathoms. Most aren't getting it.

    Reflective of the society and culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Is sheltering in place a solution? Yes. Can you enforce it? No
    it is self enforcing if they die

    so many people cannot seem to stay at home and not go out except for essential stuff - I have no wish to come in contact with these sort of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    it is self enforcing if they die

    so many people cannot seem to stay at home and not go out except for essential stuff - I have no wish to come in contact with these sort of people
    Yup, it is what it is.

    I am fortunate in that I am no longer a member of the workforce. I can self isolate and really only need to shop for groceries once a week or so. I follow the guidelines, wear a face mask and maintain appropriate distancing.

    Others have to earn money which typically involves commuting to attend work. Regardless of intentions, public transportation and social distancing will not and cannot mix, social distancing while commuting cannot work. The premise of transporting many workers significant distances economically defeats any consideration of spacial separation. I can understand that workers are forced to violate the social distancing recommendations.

    Then you have the others who willfully ignore, and oft times go out of their way to violate the recommendations as a form of protest against their government authoritarians. They are, in fact, taking their lives into their own hands... and yes, many will not suffer the consequences of the Covid Pandemic as many of the infected are asymptomatic, whereas others, as you rightfully put it, will have self-enforcement thrust upon them when they do find themselves among the seriously and critically infected victims.

    Death will, in fact, remove the need for personal social distancing.

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    What we learn from this ongoing experience which is far from over is that the chinks (sorry Armstrong) are devious and deceitful crunts that should never be trusted, the Russians create facts to suit their political needs, the Europeans are complacent fcukers that think they're big and prosperous enough to cope with anything, the Merkins think if it looks like flu and acts like flu it must be flu, while the rest of the world are fcuked because these great powers are individually and collectively selfish and self serving yet control who gets what, which in this case is very little.

    Now a moment of silence please, for poor sqwiril starting the month with a 101-word sentence.














    Thanks, much appreciated.

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    A COVID-19 Surge in Young People May Sabotage Reopening

    After months of lockdown, public congregation increased exponentially last week, as residents of major cities from coast to coast took to the streets in huge numbers to protest decades of black death at the hands of police officers, and specifically the killing of 46-year-old George Floyd in Minneapolis.


    But even before the unrest and the possibility of attendant contagion, warm weather across the country prompted people to sun in public parks, take day trips to beaches, and drink in groups as states eased COVID-19 lockdowns. Relaxed restrictions have also sent thousands of young people sidelined from service industry jobs back to work in states from Texas to Vermont.


    As public health experts have warned for months, any return to pre-pandemic behavior—whether at bars in Waco or demonstrations in cities like Los Angeles—could come at significant cost. In fact, if an analysis from the first COVID-19 hot spot in the United States is any indication, young people have, for weeks, appeared to be setting the stage not for a second wave of an infection, but a deadly extension of the first one.

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-surge-in-young-people-may-sabotage-reopening

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    considering that preliminary numbers are showing that 40 to 80 percent are asymptomatic and can be for up to 12 weeks we have no real idea as to what is really happening

    if you are not social distancing with hygiene - keeping space and time on your side - you are taking part in a lottery with the win being organ damage or death

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    From Shetland to Indonesia, the variables in testing reporting and identifying this clever fucking virus, are proving that national and international comparisons are worthless.
    The truth is, no “expert” knows anything worthwhile repeating or reporting.

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    And the USA wins again... Pool party attendee in Missouri tests positive

    Lake of the Ozarks: Partier tests postive - CNN

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    The heavy second and third waves are arriving much sooner than the experts are suggesting.
    Perhaps mutated strains....or not.

    Yet, still around - in any form.
    And leading theorists are hesitant to make any sort of recommendations - be there a vaccine or not......in a year or a decade. Even with the developed sciences/techniques within these fields of study, a solid vaccine for an unknown novel virus is terribly difficult to secure. Some are saying by the end of this year. And others are suggesting never.
    Who knows.


    Just go with it.
    Get on with our lives.

    Many will become infected.
    A greater percentage with asymptomatic, mild, less than severe illness.
    Some will die.
    Most will recover.

    It is what it is.

    We can't go on existing in cocoons.
    The usual personal measures should be applied - masks, distancing, etc.

    Perhaps nature has a plan, as well.
    Might just make it's rounds [in one form or another] for another six months to a year - and than disappear.

    Maybe.
    Maybe not.

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    I’m letting my stockpiles get low. Better start hoarding the toilet paper again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    The heavy second and third waves are arriving much sooner than the experts are suggesting.
    Are they? I thought it was the expected outcome of reducing restrictions. The idea was to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm medical services, not to eradicate the virus. The only way to stop further infections is to remain in lockdown until the majority have been vaccinated, which is simply impractical. If the infections increase beyond a threshold (based on individual country criteria) then further restrictions will be imposed.

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    Thing is we are approaching mid summer in the UK and Europe, we were very lucky this didn't strike pre-winter last year and reach its peak during cold/flu season - although the R rate is below 1 and numbers of infections and deaths are lower week on week i can't help but feel a second wave running into this winter could be worse than the first.

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    The ongoing coronavirus pandemic will haunt the US economy for a decade, wiping close to $8tn off economic growth, according to new projections released by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) on Monday.

    In a letter to lawmakers CBO director Phillip Swagel projected the virus will reduce US economic output by 3% through 2030, a loss of $7.9tn.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/01/coronavirus-us-economy-impact-wipe-out-8tn


    With two-thirds of Americans worried about a second wave of the coronavirus, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds nearly 6 in 10 people are unready to resume their pre-pandemic activities, underscoring continued public unease as the nation seeks a return to normalcy.

    Impacts of the pandemic are vast. Seventy-nine percent in this national survey say their lives have been disrupted. Fifty-nine percent report severe economic impacts in their community -- up from 43% two months ago. Among those employed before the pandemic began, 24% have been laid off or furloughed.

    For all that, 57% say it's more important to try to control the spread of the virus than to try to restart the economy. And as states move to reopen, most people are hesitant. Asked if they're willing at this time to go to stores, restaurants and other public places the way they did before the pandemic, 58% say it's too early for that.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hesitancy-resume-activities-marks-reopening-challenges-poll/story?id=70962325

    Another one joins the Moscow Flying Club.



    A female police lieutenant colonel has fallen from a window on the fifth floor of a Moscow hospital treating coronavirus patients, Russian media reported.

    The reports said the incident occurred at Moscow City Clinical Hospital No. 24 on the evening of May 30.

    The woman, identified as 45-year-old Yulia B. by Komsomolsyaya Pravda, was described as a senior expert at the Forensic Center of the Interior Ministry.

    The newspaper reported that the police lieutenant colonel died on the spot, but Russian media organization RBC said she survived the fall and was placed in an intensive-care unit.

    Komsomolsyaya Pravda said the police colonel left her ward to go into the corridor, then "fell" from the fifth floor window, and landed on the grass below.

    It was not immediately clear what exactly happened.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-police-colonel-being-treated-for-covid-19-falls-from-moscow-hospital-window/30646886.html

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    Given the unknowns in the nature and development of the virus, and the urgency to the economy, maybe it would be better to return to normal. Let the disease run its course, and get back to work.
    In most cases the virus will attack and kill the weak and vulnerable, leaving behind a healthier, stronger population.
    Those who survive will be either resistant, or develop immunity.
    Isolation, quarantine and special measures no longer required. Loads of dead people, but no more virus.
    Countries can afford to cull the worst members of society, but they cannot afford an indefinite economic slump.

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    00.04 death rate.

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    Wonder if it was an accident or suicide or a wtf please don't do that!

    Whatever, dangerous windows in Moscow, best stay away from them.

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