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    Quote Originally Posted by sqwiril View Post
    Is it him who 'herded them over' from China to a Chinese business in Thailand to 'keep it ticking over'?

    What happens next?

    I see lots of Chinese travelling in 2s-3s-4s, though admittedly they are generally more fond of the 'group tour' than me.

    You seem to ascribing some ulterior and dishonourable motive to them all that's based only on your prejudice, though.

    I guess you prefer solo western whorehounds?
    I thought there must be a limit to your foolishness, but credit where due you are quite terminal in that respect.

    So go ahead and fantasise about my ulterior and dishonourable motives, prejudices and preferences, which are clearly projections of your own.

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    Coming up to 6m confirmed cases, and aside from questionable reporting protocols I'm left wondering how relevant this figure is against the number of infected unknowns gaily spreading it around.

    What are the 'official' global estimates for actual infections over known infections? Could 6m be a decoy, or something to feed the plebs on? Recent search through a few sites, and while some do estimate ratios which appear to be based on science over emotion these tend to address specific countries or areas.

    So far I have from 5/1 to 12/1 in SEA, 12-16/1 in Germany which would suggest a higher ratio in less prepared countries, and a fcukoff window of 8-20/1 in various parts of the Americas, which could mean best case is 30 million and up to 120 million unidentified infections currently spreading it.







    ^There ya go, sqwiril, if you are out of shock yet, gaily, gaily, gaily, ignore the rest, that's a nice word you can clamp onto for a thesis on why one might use it in this context on an anonymous forum; could go viral, esp if you get the lgbt machine on board. Worst way you get a devoted following, eh?

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    Those estimates are with 5-12 day lags.

    This big whoosh is from uChicago with a 5 and 8 day lag:

    https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/..._WP_202037.pdf

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    When the coronavirus first made landfall in the USA, the infection rate was doubling every 5 days or so. Social distancing and lock downs curbed it in great fashion. Now we are "opening up the country" and I wonder how long it will take to get to the exponential growth that this virus is capable of? Wisconsin is one state to be watching.
    Press On Regardless

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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Social distancing and lock downs curbed it in great fashion. Now we are "opening up the country" and I wonder how long it will take to get to the exponential growth that this virus is capable of?
    The important aspect of Covid is that we now have a comparative baseline to measure and compare against. Although there is still a bit of question concerning how we standardize testing protocol so we are satisfied with what the results are telling us.

    The unknown that remains is how the general public will act.

    If we are very fortunate and the second wave or a significant reappearance does not manifest itself - all is well.

    The problem is, if the second wave occurs, and we reimplement shutdown protocols, social distancing, sanitization, etc. Will the general public accept the need for these actions or will they maintain the "it doesn't affect me - so FO" attitude that is increasingly being displayed?

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    https://theintercept.com/2020/05/27/...gRn4M28JsB8gc8

    “This is a massive wealth transfer to owners of financial assets,” said Lev Menand, a former Treasury official who now teaches at Columbia University. “The rules of the game are supposed to be that equities take the loss, high-yield debt holders take the loss.” Allowing them to instead bear no burden is a form of socialism for capitalists”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    You can make a fortune in China selling: Disposable Medical Surgical Face Mouth Masks
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They actually increase your chances of getting infected. I doubt most of the mongs that wear them are aware of this.
    Do you wear a mask at all these days, harry?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    The problem is, if the second wave occurs, and we reimplement shutdown protocols, social distancing, sanitization, etc. Will the general public accept the need for these actions or will they maintain the "it doesn't affect me - so FO" attitude that is increasingly being displayed?
    Are you talking about Thailand there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    https://theintercept.com/2020/05/27/...gRn4M28JsB8gc8

    “This is a massive wealth transfer to owners of financial assets,” said Lev Menand, a former Treasury official who now teaches at Columbia University. “The rules of the game are supposed to be that equities take the loss, high-yield debt holders take the loss.” Allowing them to instead bear no burden is a form of socialism for capitalists”.
    It's a financial reset. It will eliminate most of the large conglomerate's competitors.

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    A couple of knowledgeable experts here.
    We're blessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Do you wear a mask at all these days, harry?
    Whenever I go out Sybil. As I said at the time, it protects others.

    Plus there's the risk of a fine or jail time, so fuck that shit.


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    11 new Covid-19 cases, all returnees

    The government on Thursday reported 11 new cases of coronavirus disease (Covid-19), all quarantined returnees from overseas and five of them masseurs, raising the total to 3,065.


    There were no new deaths.


    Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesman for the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said one new case was a Thai woman, 32, who returned from India last Friday. She had no symptoms and was quarantined in Samut Prakan province. On Monday she tested positive for the virus and was sent to a hospital in Samut Prakan.


    Six other cases were aged 27-52 years and had returned from working in Qatar. Five of them were masseurs and the other a maid. They were quarantined in Bangkok and tested positive on Tuesday. Three of them were asymptomatic and the others had sore throats, no sense of smell or taste, headaches, muscle pain and excessive phlegm.


    The four other cases were male construction workers aged 39-51 who had been in the employ of a foreign company in Kuwait. They returned on Sunday, were quarantined in Bangkok and tested positive on Tuesday. They had headaches, no sense of smell, runny noses and fever.

    "We can say that there are no new locally infected cases now as far as official reports are concerned. All the new cases reported daily were infected in other countries," Dr Taweesilp said.


    Of the 3,065 accumulated cases, 2,945 (96%) had recovered with 14 more patients released over the previous 24 hours. Sixty-three patients remained at hospitals. The death toll remained at 57.


    Since February, 128 cases, mostly Thais, were detected at quarantine facilities - or 0.47% of all quarantined people, Dr Taweesilp said.

    11 new Covid-19 cases, all returnees

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    Complete end to lockdown on July 1

    The government has set July 1 for the lift of all business and activity lockdowns ordered earlier to cope with the coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19), said the National Security Council chief.


    These include interprovincial and international travel, as well as the end of emergency decree and curfew.

    MORE Complete end to lockdown on July 1

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    hmm… four out of five asymptomatic

    Here is a Covid Case Study document published in Thorax – see below

    THORAX
    Thorax is a monthly peer-reviewed medical journal specialising in both clinical and experimental research articles on respiratory medicine as well as paediatrics, immunology, pharmacology, pathology, and surgery. It was established in 1946 and is published by the BMJ Group on behalf of the British Thoracic Society.

    COVID-19: In the footsteps of Ernest Shackleton
    Released on: 28/5/2020
    An expedition ship departed on an Antarctic cruise mid-March 2020 with no known COVID passengers or crew members. However after 8 days the first passenger became febrile and isolation procedures were followed. A further 24 members of the ship developed symptoms (some as late as 23 days later) with 8 requiring medical evacuation. Of the 217 passengers and crew on board, 128 tested positive for COVID-19 with 81% of those positive being asymptomatic. This paper demonstrates people being asymptomatic showcasing the importance of testing in this group.


    Now, as this article is from a peer reviewed medical journal the information provided can be considered pretty legit and on-target.

    128, 59% of a crew of 217, six out of ten crew members living in close quarters on a ship caught this contagious virus and 81% of the infected are asymptomatic.

    80%, four out of five of Covid infected people are asymptomatic.

    Extrapolated, in the USA with a population of 330M, 1.7M symptomatic X 4 = 6.8M asymptomatic, 1.7M + 6.8M = 8.5M infected, 8.5M is 2.6% of 330M. 100k fatalities. 100k is 1.2% of the infected.

    If you catch Covid-19 there is an 80% chance that you will not know you caught it.
    If you catch Covid-19 there is a 99% chance that you will survive.


    Social distancing just became an even harder sell…
    Last edited by bowie; 28-05-2020 at 06:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Latest info

    hmm… four out of five asymptomatic

    Here is a Covid Case Study document published in Thorax – see below

    THORAX
    Thorax is a monthly peer-reviewed medical journal specialising in both clinical and experimental research articles on respiratory medicine as well as paediatrics, immunology, pharmacology, pathology, and surgery. It was established in 1946 and is published by the BMJ Group on behalf of the British Thoracic Society.

    COVID-19: In the footsteps of Ernest Shackleton
    Released on: 28/5/2020
    An expedition ship departed on an Antarctic cruise mid-March 2020 with no known COVID passengers or crew members. However after 8 days the first passenger became febrile and isolation procedures were followed. A further 24 members of the ship developed symptoms (some as late as 23 days later) with 8 requiring medical evacuation. Of the 217 passengers and crew on board, 128 tested positive for COVID-19 with 81% of those positive being asymptomatic. This paper demonstrates people being asymptomatic showcasing the importance of testing in this group.


    Now, as this article is from a peer reviewed medical journal the information provided can be considered pretty legit and on-target.

    128, 59% of a crew of 217, six out of ten crew members living in close quarters on a ship caught this contagious virus and 81% of the infected are asymptomatic.

    80%, four out of five of Covid infected people are asymptomatic.

    Extrapolated, in the USA with a population of 330M, 1.7M symptomatic X 4 = 6.8M asymptomatic, 1.7M + 6.8M = 8.5M infected, 8.5M is 2.6% of 330M. 100k fatalities. 100k is 1.2% of the infected.

    If you catch Covid-19 there is an 80% chance that you will not know you caught it.
    If you catch Covid-19 there is a 99% chance that you will survive.


    Social distancing just became an even harder sell…

    Real/true material of this manner will never be promoted or brought to the public's attention by "them", as it's simply not marketable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Social distancing just became an even harder sell…
    Get out there and mingle, and don't forget to leave your facemask at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    If you catch Covid-19 there is a 99% chance that you will survive.
    It's very clear that there are several reasons (age, weight, ethnicity, pre-existing conditions etc.) why some are more vulnerable than others, so this is a misleading comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    leave your facemask at home
    Nope, I'm a firm believer in face masks. I always wear mine. NOT to protect others - to protect myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    some are more vulnerable than others
    Yes, some are more vulnerable than others - and they should take any and all necessary precautions.

    The statement is factual and supported by the data recorded to date.

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    Originally Posted by bowie
    If you catch Covid-19 there is a 99% chance that you will survive.
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    It's very clear that there are several reasons (age, weight, ethnicity, pre-existing conditions etc.) why some are more vulnerable others, so this is a misleading comment.
    No, was a statement of fact does not change the odds.

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    It's misleading, for the reasons I gave.

    Few people using this forum have a 99% chance of surviving Covid should they catch it, for example.

    It's another distractor from a 'Get capitalism back working' retiree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Few people using this forum have a 99% chance of surviving Covid should they catch it, for example.

    It's another distractor from a 'Get capitalism back working' retiree.
    Not to argue any point. The first quoted statement is subjective and the second quoted statement is opinionated.

    I personally do not know the demographics of the anonymous internet forum Teak Doors users and I certainly would not profess to be able to make a specific statement concerning Teak Door users Covid survivability.

    So Be It. There is nothing to argue about. I believe my statement is factual and provided data to support the statement. You believe it is "misleading". You are welcome to your opinion. As others users are welcome to theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    It's very clear that there are several reasons (age, weight, ethnicity, pre-existing conditions etc.) why some are more vulnerable than others, so this is a misleading comment.
    We can assume for example that the crew of 217 were all healthy and reasonably young with no existing health issues (co morbidity).
    Quite a different matter when the outbreak is in a care home.

    This guy has some interesting information on how states are fudging the numbers.

    Last edited by Cujo; 28-05-2020 at 09:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Not to argue any point. The first quoted statement is subjective and the second quoted statement is opinionated.

    I personally do not know the demographics of the anonymous internet forum Teak Doors users and I certainly would not profess to be able to make a specific statement concerning Teak Door users Covid survivability.

    So Be It. There is nothing to argue about. I believe my statement is factual and provided data to support the statement. You believe it is "misleading". You are welcome to your opinion. As others users are welcome to theirs.
    As someone else said, if you have a bowl of 100 cherries and you know one of them will kill you, would you risk eating even one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    https://theintercept.com/2020/05/27/...gRn4M28JsB8gc8

    “This is a massive wealth transfer to owners of financial assets,” said Lev Menand, a former Treasury official who now teaches at Columbia University. “The rules of the game are supposed to be that equities take the loss, high-yield debt holders take the loss.” Allowing them to instead bear no burden is a form of socialism for capitalists”.
    Ya think?

    I should have saved the green I gave you elsewhere for this post. It's also more of the same that happened a little over a decade ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    if you have a bowl of 100 cherries and you know one of them will kill you, would you risk eating even one?
    non-sensical comparison - more apt to the discussion is: are you willing to sacrifice you and your families financial future by accepting half-wages on the government dole until the government has successfully eliminated the statistically unlikely event that you may expire from Covid?

    Now, some, not all, of the over 60's provide a resounding "YES" to the question, the under 50's who have children to raise, food to buy, educations to fund, mortgages to pay and retirement funds to seed provide a "NO", the 50-60 year olds say "we'll have to think about it".

    The point being, you cannot shut down life because something bad might happen. And the points to ponder, the comparisons, have been provided ad infinitum, yet, people still drive, ride motorbikes sans helmets, skydive and eat sushi...

    Just where you and I draw the line are different - gotta be, to each their own, as far as the bowl of cherries analogy - what is the pro side of eating cherries that justifies the risk of death? What is the pro side of driving at breakneck speed on the interstate, autobahn or tangenziale?

    People in general are willing to sacrifice for the greater good of humanity - to a point... And, ending their livelihood, damaging their financial security and destroying their families future far oversteps the line of acceptability they have drawn.

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