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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Could but not would.. It took most countries a month or two to react after China raised the alarm
    Raised the alarm? Are you fucking joking?

    The doctor who tried to raise the alarm - in February - was silenced.

    He's dead. He died of the virus.

    The chinkies knew this was transmissible in December.

    They didn't "raise the alarm" as you call it until January 30th and that was only because other countries were reporting their first cases in increasing numbers.

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    The CCP didn't raise the alarm, a doctor who has since died did.

    The Chinese will suffer through people boycotting their goods.

    The world wont forget what they've done.

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    U.S. coronavirus hospitalizations have crept higher as states increasingly loosen Covid-19 restrictions and try to return to some semblance of normalcy, former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb said Tuesday.

    “We now see a trend in an uptick in hospitalizations. It’s a small uptick, but it is an uptick and it’s unmistakable and it is probably a result of reopening,” Gottlieb said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “We are going to have to watch it.”

    Hospitalizations are a key indicator that epidemiologists watch closely to understand the state of the outbreak.

    Hospitalizations are not as dependent on the availability of testing as other closely watched measures such as the number of new cases, which is constrained by the number of tests deployed and delayed by shortages of equipment like swabs.


    However, hospitalizations are likely a lagging indicator of the underlying reality because it can take weeks for people to become infected, develop symptoms, get tested, receive test results and become sick enough to be admitted to a hospital.


    “We expected cases to go up and hospitalizations to bump up when we reopened and I was talking to a lot of states about their plans and they were expecting that there was going to be an uptick,” said Gottlieb, a CNBC contributor who sits on the boards of
    Pfizer and biotech company Illumina. Pfizer has a Covid-19 vaccine under development. “That’s why they all implemented very staged reopenings where they reopened in phases and then reassessed the data to make sure that any increase wasn’t an inordinate increase.”


    Coronavirus: As states reopen, U.S. hospitalizations rise

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    International health authorities expressed concern Tuesday over signs the spread of the new coronavirus is "still accelerating" in Brazil, Peru and Chile.

    "In South America, we are particularly concerned that the number of new cases reported last week in Brazil was the highest for a seven-day period, since the outbreak began," said Carissa Etienne, director of the Washington-based Pan American Health Organization (PAHO).

    "Both Peru and Chile are also reporting a high incidence, a sign that transmission is still accelerating in these countries," she said at a weekly briefing.


    The Pan American Health Organization, which serves as the regional office for the World Health Organization, has been monitoring the pandemic in Latin America and the Caribbean.

    With a total 2.4 million cases -- out of 5 million globally -- and more than 143,000 deaths from COVID-19 reported as of May 25, Latin America has outpaced Europe and the United States in the number of daily infections.


    The region is now "no doubt" the epicenter of the pandemic, Etienne said during the PAHO weekly briefing.


    Virus spread 'still accelerating' in Brazil, Peru, Chile: WHO regional office - France 24

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They didn't "raise the alarm" as you call it
    Not as I call it, you came up with that expression and I quoted you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    Still, you apparently think a government should do something about it.
    And if they actually did... It would be a conspiracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    The Chinese will suffer through people boycotting their goods.


    Yeah, good luck with that.

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    The chinese have suffered enough - no more vacas in Patts

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    I suspect when easing happens they'll be the first major group to arrive in droves. Aside from tourists herded over to keep the Chinese businesses ticking over, some might wish to see how their investments are doing and/or who else they need to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    I suspect when easing happens they'll be the first major group to arrive in droves.
    Thailand has made it pretty clear that it will be the first place international flights will be allowed in from, with the possible exception of neighbouring countries with far fewer tourists.

    So yes, that's a safe bet, but the reasons you give are odd.

    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    tourists herded over to keep the Chinese businesses ticking over
    How is that done, exactly?

    Why are they not just individual adults deciding they want to have a holiday in Thailand?

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    How often do you see 'individual adult' Chinese tourists, other than several of them following the leader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Not as I call it, you came up with that expression and I quoted you..
    I actually said "I'd rather the fucking chinkies raised the alarm as soon as they knew it was human-transmissible".

    Which they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    I suspect when easing happens they'll be the first major group to arrive in droves.
    A wishful dream of the Thai hoteliers. Unfortunately, before the droves arrive, the hotels will have to be placed on market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The doctor who tried to raise the alarm
    Was he speculation on one possibility or did he had proof when he made the claim? He had published his study of the virus, concluded it was a new one, warned his superiors .... Or making his unproven opinion, public?
    I presume you have some evidence to share with us? The WHO was asked last week to investigate such things only last week.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The chinkies knew this was transmissible in December.
    Between humans? I presume you have some evidence to share with us? The WHO was asked last week to investigate such things only last week.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    The CCP didn't raise the alarm, a doctor who has since died did.
    Following all the national, international and WHO protocols or spreading his fear mongering private opinion on an internet site? What was his motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    no more vacas in Patts


    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    other than several of them following the leader
    Who probably is employed by a Chinese company/is somebody's Thai .... , which provide a full package vacation, mostly paid up front in China using Chinese currency. Similar to many UK companies providing a full package vacation, to places all around the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'd rather the fucking chinkies raised the alarm as soon as they knew it was human-transmissible
    Which they did, mid January, "24th" IIRC, to the WHO, the official route and to others directly.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I actually said "The .... knew this was transmissible in December".
    No you didn't. You claimed, here on TD above, post #6176 (The COVID-2019 Thread) , in your own words, not quoting anybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They didn't "raise the alarm" as you call it until January 30th and that was only because other countries were reporting their first cases in increasing numbers.
    Which all the "other countries" had published virologist's expert analysis, WHO approved, peer reviewed, evidence conclusively stating from what source - biological or geographical?

    Which factually has not been proven even as of today. The WHO was asked last week to investigate such things only last week.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Was he speculation on one possibility or did he had proof when he made the claim? He had published his study of the virus, concluded it was a new one, warned his superiors .... Or making his unproven opinion, public?
    It is a matter of public record.

    Even your beloved Mr. Shithole's government apologised to him.

    Perhaps if you learned how to read things before trying to comment on them, you could save yourself the typing, you dreary little wanker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It is a matter of public record.
    Of course it is 'arry.

    Shall we play the UK regime funded, BBC propaganda game?

    Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor
    7 February 202

    ....


    "What is Li Wenliang's story?

    Dr Li, an ophthalmologist, posted his story on Weibo from a hospital bed a month after sending out his initial warning.

    The 34-year-old had noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003.

    On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

    Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

    He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours" Local authorities later apologised to Dr Li.

    In his Weibo post he describes how on 10 January he started coughing, the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. He was diagnosed with the coronavirus on 30 January.

    Dr Li's medical history is not known."

    Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor - BBC News


    Or have you another version of "the truth", you wish to share here on TD?

    Breaking News:

    Your star whistle blower, unqualified to make any educated, virological assessment, had no clinical evidence, no analysis.

    Absolutely nothing.

    He posted his opinion on a "chat group". He was investigated along with, probably in many peoples opinion at the time, 7 more tin foil hat wearers. Was subsequently apologised to and when he died celebrated in China as a brave man.

    So no, there was no public record/announcement of new/the covid-99 virus, no public record/announcement of person to person transmission. No public record of medical evidence just a public record of a "story" posted on a web site by an non virological expert doctor. To be taken on board, in this example, the BBC.

    Was he a smoker, was he taking drugs - many opticians do, any family problems - health, marriage, financial ...

    Did the other 7 in his "investigated/chat group" also die of the virus?

    At the same time some foreigners with the sworn responsibility to "protect and serve" their citizens, who knew much more, were suggesting, "It is nothing, we have it all under control ....".

    The local medics/government spokesmen were desperately trying to actually define what and how dangerous the infection was.

    Last edited by OhOh; 27-05-2020 at 10:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    How often do you see 'individual adult' Chinese tourists, other than several of them following the leader?
    Is it him who 'herded them over' from China to a Chinese business in Thailand to 'keep it ticking over'?

    What happens next?

    I see lots of Chinese travelling in 2s-3s-4s, though admittedly they are generally more fond of the 'group tour' than me.

    You seem to ascribing some ulterior and dishonourable motive to them all that's based only on your prejudice, though.

    I guess you prefer solo western whorehounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Shall we play the BBC game?

    Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor


    ....

    "What is Li Wenliang's story?

    Dr Li, an ophthalmologist, posted his story on Weibo from a hospital bed a month after sending out his initial warning.

    The 34-year-old had noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003.

    On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

    Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

    He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours" Local authorities later apologised to Dr Li.

    In his Weibo post he describes how on 10 January he started coughing, the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. He was diagnosed with the coronavirus on 30 January."

    Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor - BBC News
    Your star, unqualified to make any clinical, virological assessment, had no evidence, he posted his opinion on a "chat group". He was investigated along with, probably in many peoples opinion at the time, 7 more tin foil hat wearers. Was susequently apologised to and when he died celebrated as a brave man.

    So no, there was no announcement of the covid-99 virus, no announcement of person to person transmission. No medical evidence just a "story" posted on a web site by an non virological expert doctor.
    Good job.

    Sums it up apart from the crap at the end that probably came from you or a similar snivelling chinky sycophant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    apart from the crap at the end
    All my own work, so you can quote any of it as, "OhOh said" with due reference to the full post.

    No charge, this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    All my own work, so you can quote any of it as, "OhOh said" with due reference to the full post.

    No charge, this time.
    So, to sum up: The good doctor warned his colleagues of an infectious diseases that looked like SARS-COV.

    He was pulled in by the chinkies and told to stop "lying" and being "malicious", a warning that they issued to any other doctor who might dare spill their dirty little bat munching secret.

    The chinkies covered up the virus until they couldn't hide it any more, and five million of them had gone off spreading it around the world as part of their "Chinese Year of the infectious little bastard" celebrations.

    The chinkies apologised to him for being arseholes.

    He got the virus and died.

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    That's good news.

    Previous studies have demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 is stable on surfaces for extended periods under indoor conditions. In the present study, simulated sunlight rapidly inactivated SARS-CoV-2 suspended in either simulated saliva or culture media and dried on stainless steel coupons. Ninety percent of infectious virus was inactivated every 6.8 minutes in simulated saliva and every 14.3 minutes in culture media when exposed to simulated sunlight representative of the summer solstice at 40oN latitude at sea level on a clear day. Significant inactivation also occurred, albeit at a slower rate, under lower simulated sunlight levels. The present study provides the first evidence that sunlight may rapidly inactivate SARS-CoV-2 on surfaces, suggesting that persistence, and subsequently exposure risk, may vary significantly between indoor and outdoor environments. Additionally, these data indicate that natural sunlight may be effective as a disinfectant for contaminated non-porous materials.

    Simulated Sunlight Rapidly Inactivates SARS-CoV-2 on Surfaces | The Journal of Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic

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    To assess response to Covid we need to assign a metric. So, to provide a reference number we will measure the slope of the trend. I'm using: France, Spain, UK and USA. The slope measured is from their respective date of peak deaths to peak plus 30 days.

    The COVID-2019 Thread-coronavirus-data-explorer-5-jpg


    peak
    date

    peak
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    delta
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    UK

    15-Apr

    13.89

    6.31

    -45%

    3.59

    -1.5%/d
    USA 22-Apr 8.2 3.8 -46% 3.02 -1.5%/d
    France 10-Apr 16.87 3.39 -20% 1.11 -0.7%/d
    Spain 4-Apr 18.57 6.84 -37% 1.89
    -1.2%/d

    As time passes it will be interesting to compare the slope pre vs post...



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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    As time passes it will be interesting to compare the slope pre vs post...
    ...being part of the downward slope is little comfort to a dying patient...

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    ^ ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    All my own work, so you can quote any of it as, "OhOh said" with due reference to the full post.

    No charge, this time
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So, to sum up: The good doctor warned his colleagues of an infectious diseases that looked like SARS-COV.

    He was pulled in by the chinkies and told to stop "lying" and being "malicious", a warning that they issued to any other doctor who might dare spill their dirty little bat munching secret.

    The chinkies covered up the virus until they couldn't hide it any more, and five million of them had gone off spreading it around the world as part of their "Chinese Year of the infectious little bastard" celebrations.

    The chinkies apologised to him for being arseholes.

    He got the virus and died.
    In a nutshell. Waiting for the apologist spin or an article about the Panamanian Tree Slug

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