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    ^ Good to see you are still well Sabang.

    Up until today my global network collectively know no one personally who has been inflicted with the virus and I can say I know nobody personally who has been infected.

    It's a load of bullshit and fuck knows why!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Well, judging from the tread shown in the graph below, we have a very good grip on Covid...


    Except....

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    United States Coronavirus: 1,621,333 Cases and 96,363 Deaths - Worldometer


    Testing testing.....

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    Yesterday was 107,000 new infections, with more than half of them shared between North and South America (well the USA and South America) at 28k each.

    Added: 28,000 is the highest in the US since May 1st and all 50 states have "reopened" to an extent.

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    And India had 6k.

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    The whole of Asia only had 24k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Except....
    uhm... except what?

    The graph you posted supports the graph I posted -where's the "except"

    The 7 day deaths per million is 4, or 4 X (331M pop US) = 1,324 deaths
    Your graph shows somewhere less than 1,500 deaths

    Basically in agreement. And supporting the rolling average provided by the European CDC.

    Except???

    And, as the trend continues...


    Now, lets add this in:

    CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

    The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die.

    So, lets do the math,

    28k new cases at 0.4% = 112 deaths - a damn sight better than 1.5k
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    ^^^ This is the scary economic damage – to date (USA only) 38.6M unemployed


    Unemployment pays roughly 50% of regular pay – so folks losing half their pay lost most if not all of their disposable income and will do little or no discretionary spending. So begins the domino effect of employers/employees whose jobs are dependent upon others actually buying their product(s) with discretionary/disposable income…

    Now, factor in the following bad news:

    both linked articles redacted to reduce size

    Study: 40 percent of businesses fail to reopen after a disaster

    How Many Businesses Won’t Reopen After Coronavirus?

    Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

    40% of businesses do not reopen following a disaster. On top of that, another 25% fail within one year.

    How Long Will the Damage Last?
    If you think that getting past the one year mark means a company is out of the woods, think again. The United States Small Business Administration
    found that over 90% of companies fail within two years of being struck by a disaster.

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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/terinaallen/2020/05/10/3-bitter-truths-about-the-coronavirus-job-losses-and-the-economy/#6393b00867f9

    The bitter truth is that 42% of all coronavirus job losses will be permanent.

    This statistic has to be one of the most underreported of all and the most staggering. Day after day the Trump Administration announces that all the jobs are coming back, and all the newly unemployed will be able to return to their jobs real soon. However, research, history and data do not support this message.

    While it does seem that the majority of people will be able to return to their jobs after the coronavirus lockdowns are lifted and the economy fully opens, far too many will learn they no longer have jobs to return to. The
    Becker Friedman Institute of the University of Chicago reports that COVID-19 is causing reallocation shock that’s both driving “the fastest reallocation of labor since World War II” and causing the elimination of millions of jobs. It finds that “42 percent of recent layoffs will result in permanent job loss.” To learn more about reallocation shock and how it has simultaneously led to massive upticks in both hiring and layoffs, read this BFI report.



    It is a long, long, long row we will be hoeing to return to some semblance of stability and growth. Shutting down countries and economies for 3+ months has a very steep price…

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    Finally we’re on the road to a cure! Get out the brownies

    Scientists believe cannabis could help prevent, treat coronavirus

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaJohn View Post
    Finally we’re on the road to a cure! Get out the brownies
    Scientists believe cannabis could help prevent, treat coronavirus
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    A team of Canadian scientists believes it has found strong strains of cannabis that could help prevent or treat coronavirus infections, according to interviews and a study.

    Bob and Doug McKenzie wholeheartedly agree – Way to go you Hosers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaJohn View Post
    Finally we’re on the road to a cure! Get out the brownies

    Scientists believe cannabis could help prevent, treat coronavirus
    I offer my services as a trial guinea pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    uhm... except what?
    Except your graph seems to indicate a massive improvement in the situation, which is not the case. With states reopening, and Republican-controlled ones doing it to an absurdly stupid degree based on fake numbers, there is no way you can say "we have a very good grip on COVID".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I offer my services as a trial guinea pig.
    Respect. I understand you volunteer to be exposed to Corona virus and then take cannabis only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Except your graph seems to indicate a massive improvement in the situation
    The European CDC's Graph indicates an improvement. A solid downward trend in deaths that, yes, can be characterized as "massive" your words not mine.

    Now your partisan opinion and desire for all things republican to be negative overlooks the fact that the graph shows significant improvements in the UK, Italy, Canada and Spain. Four solid Republican strongholds that fly-in-the-face of the Democratic parties hard line demonization of all things Republican.

    Harry - don't let your desires get in the way of your predictions. I, for one, will accept the graphical data presented by a reliable source and believe My Lying Eyes.

    Now, to reiterate - We, the world and the worlds medicos have a grip on how to handle the Corona Virus. If, as time goes by and businesses reopen, resurgence of Covid occurs, i.e. the trend reverses, reimplementation of social distancing can and will be used to right the trend.

    Unfortunately, we do not have a grip on the economic damage and it will be a long, long, long time before that applecart is righted.

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    This could save many lives while we wait for a vaccine:

    Stopping "Cytokine Storms" May Reduce Severe COVID-19 Symptoms

    Stopping "Cytokine Storms" May Reduce Severe COVID-19 Symptoms | Technology Networks
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    America Last as World Rejects Trump’s China Witch-Hunt

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    Another week and another self-imposed isolation of the United States from international consensus.

    At the annual meeting of the World Health Assembly, the forum for the World Health Organization, held via teleconference from Geneva, there was near-unanimous rejection of the demand made by the Trump administration for an inquisitorial-style investigation into the coronavirus pandemic.

    The premise of the White House’s demand is that China and the WHO are culpable for the global impact of the disease. Trump has recklessly accused China and the WHO without any substantiating detail of causing “mass killing” from alleged mishandling of the pandemic.

    The U.S., along with the obsequious support of Australia, wanted a so-called “independent” probe to be set up which would have seen investigators outside of Beijing’s or the WHO’s purvey going into China to assess the outbreak of the disease which emerged on a large scale in the city of Wuhan back in December. Such a proposal smacked of the kind of weapons-inspector teams that have been manipulated by Washington so often in the past in order to incriminate countries for political objectives.

    This week, however, consensus prevailed among the 194 member nations of the WHO – the UN-affiliated premier body for international health policy. A resolution was passed for a comprehensive review of the global response to the Covid-19 pandemic. As of this week, five million people have been infected worldwide with a death toll of over 330,000. But the agreed forthcoming study will be conducted after the pandemic has been quelled and under the auspices of the WHO and not predicated on a specific focus on China. The resolution was supported by China, Russia and the European Union, among others.

    It was a stunning repudiation of President Trump’s provocative and unprecedented call for a unilateral probe into China’s handling of the disease outbreak. Past global epidemics, such as SARS and Ebola, have always been reviewed by the WHO as a scientific, medical matter, without a partisan accusatory agenda. The rejection of Trump’s acrimonious agenda is to be welcomed because politicizing the pandemic in the way that his administration has endeavored to do is only leading to dangerous international tensions. Trump’s politicization of the problem is also counterproductive to finding solutions for preventing future pandemics and for effectively mitigating the present global crisis.

    The Trump administration’s cynicism is as glaring as it is audacious. With an eye on winning re-election to the White House in November, Trump is whipping up voter support by seeking to demonize China and the WHO as the cause of economic and social havoc wracking the U.S. from the pandemic. With 38.5 million Americans now unemployed since March, Trump is casting around for scapegoats rather than facing accountability before the American electorate for his administration’s abysmal response, despite having had ample warnings about the disease. Those warnings were given by China and the WHO as early as January. The public record of events and timeline and Trump’s own crass, cavalier comments make it clear that it was his administration’s dereliction of duty to protect American public health which bears responsibility. With a death toll rising above 95,000 this week, the U.S. is indeed the “exceptional nation” for all the wrong reasons – accounting for almost a third of the world’s total fatalities from Covid-19.

    Fortunately, the rest of the world is not buying into Trump’s toxic politics of blaming others and inciting confrontation by way of creating an escape route for his own incompetence.

    The international community rallied this week in the proper way to emphasize collective action against the pandemic and to show solidarity with poorer nations. By contrast, Trump threatened in a letter littered with falsehoods and distortions to permanently cut off U.S. funding for the WHO. In the midst of a global crisis, such petulant ultimatum is contemptible.

    As it turned out, China’s President Xi Jinping announced to the World Health Assembly that Beijing was committing $2 billion to fund the WHO – more than enough to sideline the Trump threat of cutting off U.S. contribution. That alone encapsulates the historic, tectonic shift that is underway in geopolitical standing.

    The debacle over Trump pushing a witch-hunt against China and the WHO is but the latest manifestation of America’s descent into global disrepute. The Trump administration has tried to cut up nation after nation, including supposed European allies; it has snubbed countless multilateral agreements, most gravely those related to crucial arms controls; and it has set its face against basic international consensus and diplomacy, such as rebuffing calls for ending sanctions the U.S. has unilaterally imposed on countries struggling with the coronavirus pandemic.

    Thomas Christensen, a former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, was quoted in the New York Times this week as observing: “We’re weakening our own diplomatic profile around the world, and strengthening China’s.”
    That’s an understatement.

    So much for Trump’s much-vaunted policy of America First. More like America Last."

    America Last as World Rejects Trump’s China Witch-Hunt — Strategic Culture
    Last edited by OhOh; 23-05-2020 at 09:52 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The U.S., along with the obsequious support of Australia, wanted a so-called “independent” probe to be set up which would have seen investigators outside of Beijing’s or the WHO’s purvey going into China to assess the outbreak of the disease which emerged on a large scale in the city of Wuhan back in December. Such a proposal smacked of the kind of weapons-inspector teams that have been manipulated by Washington so often in the past in order to incriminate countries for political objectives.
    In other news:

    The World Health Organisation has officially approved an independent evaluation of its response to the coronavirus pandemic, as proposed by the European Union.

    The EU resolution did not receive a single objection from the WHO’s 194 member states at a meeting today. The evaluation will begin as soon as possible.
    WHO approves independent investigation of its pandemic response

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    The European CDC's Graph indicates an improvement. A solid downward trend in deaths that, yes, can be characterized as "massive" your words not mine.

    Now your partisan opinion and desire for all things republican to be negative overlooks the fact that the graph shows significant improvements in the UK, Italy, Canada and Spain. Four solid Republican strongholds that fly-in-the-face of the Democratic parties hard line demonization of all things Republican.

    Harry - don't let your desires get in the way of your predictions. I, for one, will accept the graphical data presented by a reliable source and believe My Lying Eyes.

    Now, to reiterate - We, the world and the worlds medicos have a grip on how to handle the Corona Virus. If, as time goes by and businesses reopen, resurgence of Covid occurs, i.e. the trend reverses, reimplementation of social distancing can and will be used to right the trend.

    Unfortunately, we do not have a grip on the economic damage and it will be a long, long, long time before that applecart is righted.
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    Movie theaters, casinos and a host of entertainment venues across the state of Alabama will be able to reopen starting at 5 p.m. Friday, Gov. Kay Ivey decreed in an executive order even though coronavirus case numbers are spiking across Alabama, with the highest single-day total of new cases reported Thursday since the pandemic began and as ICUs have filled up in the state’s capital city of Montgomery.

    With Some ICUs At Capacity, Alabama Accelerates Its Reopening

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    America might show us how the death rate goes up massively when hospital capacity is completely saturated.

    Sad, sad sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    America Last as World Rejects Trump’s China Witch-Hunt

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    Another week and another self-imposed isolation of the United States from international consensus.

    At the annual meeting of the World Health Assembly, the forum for the World Health Organization, held via teleconference from Geneva, there was near-unanimous rejection of the demand made by the Trump administration for an inquisitorial-style investigation into the coronavirus pandemic.

    The premise of the White House’s demand is that China and the WHO are culpable for the global impact of the disease. Trump has recklessly accused China and the WHO without any substantiating detail of causing “mass killing” from alleged mishandling of the pandemic.

    The U.S., along with the obsequious support of Australia, wanted a so-called “independent” probe to be set up which would have seen investigators outside of Beijing’s or the WHO’s purvey going into China to assess the outbreak of the disease which emerged on a large scale in the city of Wuhan back in December. Such a proposal smacked of the kind of weapons-inspector teams that have been manipulated by Washington so often in the past in order to incriminate countries for political objectives.

    This week, however, consensus prevailed among the 194 member nations of the WHO – the UN-affiliated premier body for international health policy. A resolution was passed for a comprehensive review of the global response to the Covid-19 pandemic. As of this week, five million people have been infected worldwide with a death toll of over 330,000. But the agreed forthcoming study will be conducted after the pandemic has been quelled and under the auspices of the WHO and not predicated on a specific focus on China. The resolution was supported by China, Russia and the European Union, among others.

    It was a stunning repudiation of President Trump’s provocative and unprecedented call for a unilateral probe into China’s handling of the disease outbreak. Past global epidemics, such as SARS and Ebola, have always been reviewed by the WHO as a scientific, medical matter, without a partisan accusatory agenda. The rejection of Trump’s acrimonious agenda is to be welcomed because politicizing the pandemic in the way that his administration has endeavored to do is only leading to dangerous international tensions. Trump’s politicization of the problem is also counterproductive to finding solutions for preventing future pandemics and for effectively mitigating the present global crisis.

    The Trump administration’s cynicism is as glaring as it is audacious. With an eye on winning re-election to the White House in November, Trump is whipping up voter support by seeking to demonize China and the WHO as the cause of economic and social havoc wracking the U.S. from the pandemic. With 38.5 million Americans now unemployed since March, Trump is casting around for scapegoats rather than facing accountability before the American electorate for his administration’s abysmal response, despite having had ample warnings about the disease. Those warnings were given by China and the WHO as early as January. The public record of events and timeline and Trump’s own crass, cavalier comments make it clear that it was his administration’s dereliction of duty to protect American public health which bears responsibility. With a death toll rising above 95,000 this week, the U.S. is indeed the “exceptional nation” for all the wrong reasons – accounting for almost a third of the world’s total fatalities from Covid-19.

    Fortunately, the rest of the world is not buying into Trump’s toxic politics of blaming others and inciting confrontation by way of creating an escape route for his own incompetence.

    The international community rallied this week in the proper way to emphasize collective action against the pandemic and to show solidarity with poorer nations. By contrast, Trump threatened in a letter littered with falsehoods and distortions to permanently cut off U.S. funding for the WHO. In the midst of a global crisis, such petulant ultimatum is contemptible.

    As it turned out, China’s President Xi Jinping announced to the World Health Assembly that Beijing was committing $2 billion to fund the WHO – more than enough to sideline the Trump threat of cutting off U.S. contribution. That alone encapsulates the historic, tectonic shift that is underway in geopolitical standing.

    The debacle over Trump pushing a witch-hunt against China and the WHO is but the latest manifestation of America’s descent into global disrepute. The Trump administration has tried to cut up nation after nation, including supposed European allies; it has snubbed countless multilateral agreements, most gravely those related to crucial arms controls; and it has set its face against basic international consensus and diplomacy, such as rebuffing calls for ending sanctions the U.S. has unilaterally imposed on countries struggling with the coronavirus pandemic.

    Thomas Christensen, a former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, was quoted in the New York Times this week as observing: “We’re weakening our own diplomatic profile around the world, and strengthening China’s.”
    That’s an understatement.

    So much for Trump’s much-vaunted policy of America First. More like America Last."

    America Last as World Rejects Trump’s China Witch-Hunt — Strategic Culture
    So why is China so opposed to an investigation into their handling of the outbreak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    So why is China so opposed to an investigation into their handling of the outbreak?
    Perhaps they are worried their crime scene clean up operation might have missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    So why is China so opposed to an investigation into their handling of the outbreak?
    They're not afraid of an investigation, as long as it's conducted by an independent and impartial body like the WHO.


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    They certainly do things differently in the US...

    No masks allowed: stores turn customers away in US culture war | US news | The Guardian

    No masks allowed: stores turn customers away in US culture war

    In the last few weeks a spate of American stores have made headlines after putting up signs telling customers who wear masks they will be denied entry. On Thursday, Vice reported on a Kentucky convenience store that put up a sign reading: “NO Face Masks allowed in store. Lower your mask or go somewhere else. Stop listening to [Kentucky governor Andy] Beshear, he’s a dumbass.”


    Another sign was posted by a Californian construction store earlier this month encouraging hugs but not masks. In Illinois, a gas station employee who put up a similar sign has since defended herself, arguing that mask-wearing made it hard to differentiate between adults and children when selling booze and cigarettes.


    Meanwhile, Donald Trump finally caved and wore a face mask yesterday – something he didn’t want to “give the press the pleasure of seeing”. But while it is gratifying to see the emperor finally forced to wear clothes, you’ve got to wonder to what extent the virus will spread thanks to the actions of citizens insisting on protecting their “freedom” over the right of others not to get sick.


    Anti-lockdown protesters have argued that it is anti-American for the government to curtail people’s freedoms in order to reduce deaths as a result of Covid-19. Meanwhile, store owners tell customers what they can and cannot wear before entering, and customers cough in the faces of workers in the name of freedom.

    https://twitter.com/RussoHernandez_/...76820142333953

    “I work for Costco and I am asking this customer to put on a mask because that is company policy,” says a Costco employee in one video. “And I’m not doing it because I woke up in a free country,” replies the man filming him.


    “A warped freedom obsession is killing us,” said the writer Anand Giridharadas, in reference to those coughing in the faces of others in the name of freedom. It is, of course, a minority of people willfully misinterpreting what freedom means – freedom to choose, until the choice is one that they do not like; meanwhile, most Americans don’t want to return to business as usual during this pandemic.


    In Franklin D Roosevelt’s famous 1941 Four Freedoms speech, he detailed that, yes, Americans are owed a right to freedom of speech and expression and to worship whom they please – but he also mentioned the freedom from fear. This was in the context of the US joining forces with Britain in the second world war; Roosevelt was telling Americans that this was a fight for freedom. As America finds itself at war with a deadly pandemic, that’s a message worth considering.

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    Well, Bozo owns Amazon and the hen he buys the the Washington Post, so in this case as in all off them, they simply will not be objective regardless of what they say. People are people.

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