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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    So why doesn't that old lying communist bastard tell us the secret of the low death rates?
    The bodies will be lining up pretty soon, mark my words.
    We are never quite wrong when we do not believe the ones we do not like (from whatever reason) and we strongly believe the ones we do like and we are a proud part of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Insightful and developed Asians.
    Per usual.
    Absolutely !

    The 1957–1958 influenza pandemic, also known as Asian flu, was a global pandemic of influenza A virus subtype H2N2 which originated in Guizhou, China and killed at least 1 million people worldwide.

    The Hong Kong flu (also known as 1968 flu pandemic) was a flu pandemic whose outbreak in 1968 and 1969 killed an estimated one million people all over the world. It was caused by an H3N2 strain of the influenza A virus, descended from H2N2 through antigenic shift, a genetic process in which genes from multiple subtypes reassorted to form a new virus.

    Spanish Flu ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    We are never quite wrong when we do not believe the ones we do not like (from whatever reason) and we strongly believe the ones we do like and we are a proud part of it...
    Are you related to Jeff ?

    Seriously, do you belief the russian death toll ? Simple yes or no will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Absolutely !

    The 1957–1958 influenza pandemic, also known as Asian flu, was a global pandemic of influenza A virus subtype H2N2 which originated in Guizhou, China and killed at least 1 million people worldwide.

    The Hong Kong flu (also known as 1968 flu pandemic) was a flu pandemic whose outbreak in 1968 and 1969 killed an estimated one million people all over the world. It was caused by an H3N2 strain of the influenza A virus, descended from H2N2 through antigenic shift, a genetic process in which genes from multiple subtypes reassorted to form a new virus.

    Spanish Flu ?
    Spread by itinerant chinky labourers....

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    I think more than a few definitely will be "done with it".

    As Wisconsin reopens, resort town fills with people who appear to be 'just kind of done with it all'

    LAKE GENEVA - As it always does around this time of year, the popular resort town of Lake Geneva suddenly burst to life Saturday.

    With blue skies and friendly temperatures outside, hundreds of day-trippers flocked to the downtown area. They shopped, grabbed lunch at restaurants, strolled the banks of Geneva Lake, went on boat tours, set up picnics and soaked in the overall atmosphere.

    At first glance, it was hard to tell that the global coronavirus pandemic – which has killed 12 people in Walworth County – was still raging. The vast majority of people seen outdoors wore no masks or gloves. Sidewalks and paths were at times crowded, with few people making an effort to keep their distance.

    Businesses did attempt to keep customers and workers safe. Indoors, attendance capacities were limited. People were asked to keep their distance and limit trips to the bathroom.

    But after two months of banned public gatherings and shuttered businesses, it was striking to see such normality days after the Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down Gov. Tony Evers’ safer-at-home order.


    And it wasn’t just Wisconsinites taking advantage of it. As is typical in Lake Geneva, the town on Saturday was filled with cars bearing license plates from Illinois, a state that is still subject to a stay-at-home order from its governor.


    “Illinois is closed and we’ve been wanting to get out,” said Castano Penn, a Chicagoan who works at a senior living center and was not wearing a mask Saturday. “I know it’s probably bad. I’m just kind of done with it all.”

    It was a sentiment shared by others as well. About a half-dozen other people interviewed by the Journal Sentinel said they grew tired of isolating in their homes and felt they deserved the freedom to choose what’s safe and what isn’t.


    Walworth County, which is home to Lake Geneva, has not issued its own public health order, opting instead to issue guidelines for reopening businesses.


    The county had 277 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and 12 deaths as of Saturday, according to the Wisconsin Department of Health Services. Its rate of cases for every 100,000 people is the fifth-highest in the state.


    But that didn’t stop people from enjoying their Saturday – even among those who expressed some ambivalence about the crowds in town. They talked of sitting down at restaurants, socializing and enjoying the water.


    “All for it,” said Dave Gragnani of McHenry, Illinois, who said he planned to visit a coffee shop and skatepark without any mask or hand sanitizer. “People should have a choice. I’m having a wonderful time.”


    One of the few people seen wearing a mask downtown on Saturday was Ed Begalke, a 75-year-old who drove over from Menomonee Falls with his partner. He said he felt safe strolling through the downtown but was still debating with himself over whether he should sit down at a restaurant.


    He has conflicting feelings about the state Supreme Court’s ruling, but said the photos circulating on social media of people standing shoulder to shoulder in Wisconsin bars was irresponsible. He also said he was “shocked” at how few masks he saw in Lake Geneva.

    “I don’t like seeing that at all,” he said. “Some people I think just wanted to get out, and now that they’re out, they’re not as cautious as before.”
    Lake Geneva flooded with visitors from Illinois as Wisconsin reopens

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Seriously, do you belief the russian death toll ? Simple yes or no will do.
    What I seriously do believe is that the Western MSM tell us - and to the whole world - always huge lies to follow and prove their hidden agenda - as they had proved many times ago and what had cost millions of lives.

    And that are those you do believe? (You surely know the famous saying attributed to one of your infamous countryman about the thousand times repeated lie?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Sweden had the highest daily death toll in the world per capita


    Sverige hade hogst dagligt dodstal i varlden per capita - Omni
    The number of reproductions was almost continuously below 1.0 in the second half of April.
    Almost 90 percent of all Swedish corona deaths were over 70 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Lake Geneva flooded with visitors from Illinois as Wisconsin reopens
    Quite a clever idea from the visitors when knowing - or obviously not - that the area is quite densely contaminated by the Corona Virus - mainly because of the frequent traffic of the French and Italian workers , daily coming/leaving in Switzerland - so called crossborder-goers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What I seriously do believe is that the Western MSM tell us - and to the whole world - always huge lies to follow and prove their hidden agenda - as they had proved many times ago and what had cost millions of lives.

    And that are those you do believe? (You surely know the famous saying attributed to one of your infamous countryman about the thousand times repeated lie?)
    Thanks for answering my Question. You proved my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Sweden had the highest daily death toll in the world per capita

    Sverige hade hogst dagligt dodstal i varlden per capita - Omni
    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The number of reproductions was almost continuously below 1.0 in the second half of April.
    Almost 90 percent of all Swedish corona deaths were over 70 years old.
    Harry is not very good at reading Swedish so he doesn't know what the article actually said.
    "Sweden had the highest daily death toll in the world per capita for one day, last Thursday"

    It is all about a partial delay in reporting the days before and then there was a ketchup effect on that Thursday.

    70% of the deaths in Sweden has been in care homes and Sweden's mistake was that they were not fast enough to isolate the care homes.
    Almost all of the care homes are run by private companies who are more interested in the holy profit than the well being of their patients.
    Most of those places are undermanned, most of the staff are on hourly wage and are working one day in one care home and another day in another care home. Personal protection equipment was missing (eats from the profit) during the first weeks.

    Some social services should never be allowed to be run by private companies...
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    'Weird as hell’: the Covid-19 patients who have symptoms for months


    In mid-March Paul Garner developed what he thought was a “bit of a cough”. A professor of infectious diseases, Garner was discussing the new coronavirus with David Nabarro, the UK’s special envoy on the pandemic. At the end of the Zoom call, Nabarro advised Garner to go home immediately and to self-isolate. Garner did. He felt no more than a “little bit off”.

    Days later, he found himself fighting a raging infection. It’s one he likens to being “abused by somebody” or clubbed over the head with a cricket bat. “The symptoms were weird as hell,” he says. They included loss of smell, heaviness, malaise, tight chest and racing heart. At one point Garner thought he was about to die. He tried to Google “fulminating myocarditis” but was too unwell to navigate the screen.

    Garner refers to himself wryly as a member of the “Boris Johnson herd immunity group”. This is the cluster of patients who contracted Covid-19 in the 12 days before the UK finally locked down. He assumed his illness would swiftly pass. Instead it went on and on – a rollercoaster of ill health, extreme emotions and utter exhaustion, as he put it in a blog last week for the British Medical Journal.

    There is growing evidence that the virus causes a far greater array of symptoms than was previously understood. And that its effects can be agonisingly prolonged: in Garner’s case for more than seven weeks. The professor at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine says his experience of Covid-19 featured a new and disturbing symptom every day, akin to an “advent calendar”.
    He had a muggy head, upset stomach, tinnitus, pins and needles, breathlessness, dizziness and arthritis in the hands. Each time Garner thought he was getting better the illness roared back. It was a sort of virus snakes and ladders. “It’s deeply frustrating. A lot of people start doubting themselves,” he says. “Their partners wonder if there is something psychologically wrong with them.”


    Since his piece was published, Garner has received emails and tearful phone calls from grateful readers who thought they were going mad. “I’m a public health person,” he says. “The virus is certainly causing lots of immunological changes in the body, lots of strange pathology that we don’t yet understand. This is a novel disease. And an outrageous one. The textbooks haven’t been written.”
    According to the latest research, about one in 20 Covid patients experience long-term on-off symptoms. It’s unclear whether long-term means two months, or three or longer. The best parallel is dengue fever, Garner suggests – a “ghastly” viral infection of the lymph nodes which he also contracted. “Dengue comes and goes. It’s like driving around with a handbrake on for six to nine months.”

    Prof Tim Spector, of King’s College London, estimates that a small but significant number of people are suffering from the “long tail” form of the virus. Spector is head of the research group at King’s College London which has developed the Covid-19 tracker app. This allows anyone who suspects they have the disease to input their symptoms daily; some 3 to 4 million people are currently using it, mostly Britons and Americans.
    Spector estimates that about 200,000 of them are reporting symptoms which have lasted for the duration of the study, which is six weeks. There is good clinical data available for patients who end up in hospital. Thus far the government is not collecting information on those in the community with ostensibly “mild” but often debilitating symptoms – a larger group than those in critical care.

    “These people may be going back to work and not performing at the top of their game,” Spector says. “There is a whole other side to the virus which has not had attention because of the idea that ‘if you are not dead you are fine.’”

    He adds: “We are the country that invented epidemiology. We haven’t produced any epidemiological studies other than the app. It’s kind of embarrassing.”
    As more information becomes available, the government’s Covid model seems increasingly out of date. Many Covid patients do not develop a fever and cough. Instead they get muscle ache, a sore throat and headache. The app has tracked 15 different types of symptoms, together with a distinct pattern of “waxing and waning”. “I’ve studied 100 diseases. Covid is the strangest one I have seen in my medical career,” Spector says.



    'Weird as hell’: the Covid-19 patients who have symptoms for months | World news | The Guardian

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    ^^ some fair points. The UK has obviously failed in the care home space too.

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    Lake Geneva flooded with visitors from Illinois as Wisconsin reopens

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Quite a clever idea from the visitors when knowing - or obviously not - that the area is quite densely contaminated by the Corona Virus - mainly because of the frequent traffic of the French and Italian workers , daily coming/leaving in Switzerland - so called crossborder-goers.

    Err,

    Lake Geneva in Walworth County, Wisconsin, United States of America
    Last edited by Ravers98; 17-05-2020 at 07:33 PM.

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    ^OOPS. I did not read fully the sensational news.

    However, as in USA is usual it should have been written: Lake Geneva, Wi, shouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I think more than a few definitely will be "done with it".


    Lake Geneva flooded with visitors from Illinois as Wisconsin reopens
    Definitely will be a good data point in about three weeks! Will it be "Beer and Bratwurst" or.... "Bring out your dead"? Friends I have talked to back there are staying away from the crowds so not everyone is thinking the fires are out.

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    ^ So many are out there acting as though nothing is wrong. They’ll be the next bunch to overload the hospitals.

    Last weekend I went to Lowe’s to pick up a grill which I had ordered online. It was a madhouse. You’d think it was the last shopping day before Christmas! Few people wearing masks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The 1957–1958 influenza pandemic, also known as Asian flu, was a global pandemic of influenza A virus subtype H2N2 which originated in Guizhou, China and killed at least 1 million people worldwide.

    The CDC utilises a number of phrases, when stating the "origins" of pandemics.

    They have utilised, "First Identified" 1918,
    "First Reported" 1957 and "First Noted" 1968.

    HtG now utilises another, "Which Originated" 2020.

    CDC has yet to publish theirs for the current pandemic.

    By design, crass incompetence or are/were, as others have hidden their guilt behind, they "just following orders" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Spanish Flu ?

    1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus)

    The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States."

    1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The 1957–1958 influenza pandemic, also known as Asian flu
    1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)

    "In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States."


    1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    The Hong Kong flu (also known as 1968 flu pandemic)
    1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus)

    "The 1968 pandemic was caused by an influenza A (H3N2) virus comprised of two genes from an avian influenza A virus, including a new H3 hemagglutinin, but also contained the N2 neuraminidase from the 1957 H2N2 virus. It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus. Seasonal H3N2 viruses, which are associated with severe illness in older people, undergo regular antigenic drift."

    1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
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    ^^ Why not have it shipped to your door?

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    ^ My first choice but it was my brother’s birthday present and would have arrived way too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ So many are out there acting as though nothing is wrong. They’ll be the next bunch to overload the hospitals.

    Last weekend I went to Lowe’s to pick up a grill which I had ordered online. It was a madhouse. You’d think it was the last shopping day before Christmas! Few people wearing masks.
    This pandemic has definitely shown the positive side of being Asian "sheeple." Collectively following orders without question while much of the west think only of themselves and to hell with the rules (and the consequences).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    The CDC utilises a number of phrases, when stating the "origins" of pandemics.
    Yeah, but what they really mean is it's all the pangolin munching chinkies fault.

    They just can't say it because they've been kissing Mr. Shithole's arse.

    And you forgot SARS-COV, another diabolical chinky invention that also gave birth to SARS-COV2, its little bastard love child.

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    113-year-old Spanish woman overcomes coronavirus infection

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    History of the lockdown policy...

    Targeted Social Distancing Designs for Pandemic Influenza
    Targeted Social Distancing Designs for Pandemic Influenza - Volume 12, Number 11—November 2006 - Emerging Infectious Diseases journal - CDC

    rebuttal:

    BIOSECURITY AND BIOTERRORISM: BIODEFENSE STRATEGY, PRACTICE, AND SCIENCE
    Volume 4, Number 4, 2006© Mary Ann Liebert, Inc.

    Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control
    of Pandemic Influenza

    THOMAS V. INGLESBY, JENNIFER B. NUZZO, TARA O’TOOLE, and D. A. HENDERSON


    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

    conclusion:

    Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.

    NYT article:

    The Untold Story of the Birth of Social Distancing
    Social Distancing for Coronavirus Has a History - The New York Times

    The idea has been around for centuries. But it took a high school science fair, George W. Bush, history lessons and some determined researchers to overcome skepticism and make it federal policy.

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