The COVID-2019 Thread

[Troy]

Coronavirus: airports to insist faces be covered

"Three British airports will require all passengers to cover their faces from this week.


Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands airports have decided to impose the conditions in the absence of official guidance from government. The airports said they would accept any face coverings, including scarves.


While most domestic flights are grounded, more than 100,000 passengers a week are still arriving at UK airports. Last week a requirement was floated for those arriving in Britain to quarantine themselves for 14 days, but the policy has yet to be formally announced."


More at:

Coronavirus: airports to insist faces be covered | News | The Sunday Times

Hang on, people are entering the UK with no self isolation? This should have been enforced back in March.

...and when I flew from Germany all passengers were wearing masks...mid March. Domestic to Udon was the same plus almost everyone at the airports.

They've had since Feb to sort this out...

[Warwick]

It's time to face grim Covid-19 reality

Another coming round to the reality that the cure is killing more than the disease.

[misskit]

Another coming round to the reality that the cure MAY kill more than the disease.

Fixed it for you. That is an opinion piece, not news.

Who knows how many people would have died by now without the lockdowns.

[Warwick]

Who knows how many people would have died by now without the lockdowns.

From the article.

Based on 30 years of statistics, there is almost a one-to-one relationship between unemployment and suicide. From that statistical relationship, I can calculate that 1 million more unemployed workers could mean an additional 10,000 suicide cases. Japan currently has about 500 Covid-19 deaths, but unemployment-induced deaths could be 20 times higher than that.

Even allowing for worst case, that is a lot more deaths from the cure than the disease. The disease is not going away any time soon. Locking people in their homes is only justifiable if a vaccine can be found and supplied before people are exposed. Quarantining known cases is one thing, quarantining everyone 'just in case' is plain dumb. And in any event the lockdown was selective with many 'key' workers having to work as normal whatever the government said about social distancing and 'special' arrangements for safety.

[kmart]

^Yep. Another thing is how many people needing treatment for other diseases, surgeries, etc have been fatally delayed due to this pandemic. I imagine the strain on the health services after this lockdown will be overwhelming.

[jabir]

^Yep. Another thing is how many people needing treatment for other diseases, surgeries, etc have been fatally delayed due to this pandemic. I imagine the strain on the health services after this lockdown will be overwhelming.

I wonder if they're coping at all, except by as you say deferring non critical treatment some of which becomes critical or leads to other complications, and all of which reduce life quality, times hundreds of thousands. Then after lockdown they'll play catchup as best they can, but the real progress will remain in the hands of the social engineers and those in charge of delivering numbers to tell the people what a great health service they have.

One thing that (hopefully) will change for the better, is that politicians won't be so casual about hacking at NHS budgets.

[kmart]

^A lot of hospitals are empty right now.. Youtube is trying to keep up with the banning of vids showing empty wards, and nurses dancing due to boredom.

[Seekingasylum]

From the article.

Based on 30 years of statistics, there is almost a one-to-one relationship between unemployment and suicide. From that statistical relationship, I can calculate that 1 million more unemployed workers could mean an additional 10,000 suicide cases. Japan currently has about 500 Covid-19 deaths, but unemployment-induced deaths could be 20 times higher than that.

Even allowing for worst case, that is a lot more deaths from the cure than the disease. The disease is not going away any time soon. Locking people in their homes is only justifiable if a vaccine can be found and supplied before people are exposed. Quarantining known cases is one thing, quarantining everyone 'just in case' is plain dumb. And in any event the lockdown was selective with many 'key' workers having to work as normal whatever the government said about social distancing and 'special' arrangements for safety.

In the context of this region, the continuation of the quarantine measures, certainly in Thailand, is absurd not least because whether or not one knows the cause, transmission within SE Asia has been negligible as compared to Western Europe/US and there is no statistical basis justifying the measures currently still in force viz. swimming pools closed, closure of beaches and a ban on swimming in the sea, all controls that persist here in Pattaya.

However, having said that, the credibility of the BK comment piece is in tatters not least because the author's claimed projections on the necessary scope of a global vaccination programme fail utterly to acknowledge that only around 60% of any given population has to be vaccinated in order to confer immunity.

But using the Nip panheads as a reference for one's thesis is fucking stupid - those crazies think death is more honourable than personal bankruptcy - they should stop paying out on policies for suicides to stop that bollox - dying by suicide is the exercise of free will, dying from a fucking disease ain't.

Warwick, using that pile of shite to bolster your opinion only undermines it, but perhaps you lack the mental acuity to see that, yes?

[jabir]

Chinese state media releases animated propaganda video mocking US coronavirus response



Early days yet in the propaganda war, much more to come.

[harrybarracuda]

Early days yet in the propaganda war, much more to come.

Of course, the chinkies will do anything to try and pass the blame, and baldy orange cunto is a really easy target because he's fucked up so badly.

[Seekingasylum]

So says our resident professor Phd scholar in Stating the Bleedin' Obvious.

[OhOh]

Who knows how many people would have died of old age at peace, after living a normal and happy life, in the next 20 years

FIFY.

[panama hat]

Bottom line, folks are sick and tired of the whole thing and are willing to take chance of getting the virus

I'd disagree with such a wholesale pronouncement. Many are quite happy to keep in a 'safe place'. Even here in NZ where there have been two new cases in three days - from known clusters and under control and isolation - people are willing and happy to wait it ou

Their political survival depends on it in spite of risks med "experts" continue to expound.

Again, in some places the population respects the decisions to isolate . . . in others not so much, at least the vocal minority

[Klondyke]

Professor researching Covid-19 was killed in an apparent murder-suicide, officials say

University of Pittsburgh professor Bing Liu was shot and killed in apparent murder-suicide, police said.


(CNN)A University of Pittsburgh professor on the verge of making "very significant findings" researching Covid-19, according to the university, was shot and killed in an apparent murder-suicide over the weekend, police said.

The research assistant professor, identified as Bing Liu, was found in his townhouse Saturday with gunshot wounds to the head, neck, torso and extremities, according to the Ross Police Department.

Investigators believe an unidentified second man, who was found dead in his car, shot and killed Liu in his home before returning to his car and taking his own life.

Police believe the men knew each other, but say there is "zero indication that there was targeting due to his (Liu) being Chinese," according to Detective Sgt. Brian Kohlhepp.

The university issued a statement saying it is "deeply saddened by the tragic death of Bing Liu, a prolific researcher and admired colleague at Pitt.

The University extends our deepest sympathies to Liu's family, friends and colleagues during this difficult time."

"Bing was on the verge of making very significant findings toward understanding the cellular mechanisms that underlie SARS-CoV-2 infection and the cellular basis of the following complications," his colleagues at the university's Department of Computational and Systems Biology said in a statement.

Members of the university's School of Medicine describe their former colleague as an outstanding researcher and mentor, and have pledged to complete Liu's research "in an effort to pay homage to his scientific excellence."

Bing Liu: University of Pittsburgh professor killed in apparent murder-suicide, officials say - CNN

[Warwick]

However, having said that, the credibility of the BK comment piece is in tatters not least because the author's claimed projections on the necessary scope of a global vaccination programme fail utterly to acknowledge that only around 60% of any given population has to be vaccinated in order to confer immunity.

I only posted the article, I didn't write it. It presents a different perspective that is more than worth considering against the current herd mentality.

The writer also points out:-

To vaccinate only 1% of the population, we will need 78 million doses of vaccine.

But perhaps you got bored once you realised the article wasn't confirming your own opinions. There are several other articles raising the same questions about suicide including one a few days ago in the BP that gacve a figure of 20 confirmed cases - a figure likely to be below the actual as suicide here is not considered an honourable ending and families will cover it up if possible.

The WHO is also concerned about the effect that the strategy is having on the sufferers of other ailments'

Lockdown risks 1.4m extra TB deaths: study | The Daily Star

A worst case figure again, but it only speaks of TB, just one a range of communicable illnesses, the treatment of which is being put to one side.

Even Neil Ferguson, the architect of the lockdown strategy, seems to be personally against it - unless of course you consider his mistress is a 'key worker'.

[Seekingasylum]

Presumably it was a poof thing?

[misskit]

Even Neil Ferguson, the architect of the lockdown strategy, seems to be personally against it - unless of course you consider his mistress is a 'key worker'.

Just proves Ferguson is human with human failings, that’s all.

[Warwick]

Coronavirus: Is it time to free the healthy from restrictions? - BBC News

BBC preparing the way for the government to say "Sorry, bit of a boo boo on the strategy front. Pity about your job and losing the house. But the good news is that my pension is secure."

[misskit]

Russia's Coronavirus Cases Soar Past 177K in New One-Day Record

Russia confirmed 11,231 new coronavirus infections Thursday, bringing the country’s official number of cases to 177,160 and marking a new one-day record rise in infections.


Russia now has the world's second-fastest rate of new infections behind the United States. It is the fifth most-affected country in terms of infections, surpassing Germany and France on Thursday.


Eighty-eight people died over the past 24 hours, bringing the total toll to 1,625.

MORE Russia's Coronavirus Cases Soar Past 177K in New One-Day Record - The Moscow Times

[SKkin]

^A lot of hospitals are empty right now.. Youtube is trying to keep up with the banning of vids showing empty wards, and nurses dancing due to boredom.

This...green owed.

[misskit]

Good article here. Explains a lot about the above.

Treating coronavirus is draining hospital coffers of millions and threatening resources

Hospitals in the United States could lose more than $500 billion in 100 days during the coronavirus pandemic, according to former Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin. While Congress has appropriated $175 billion in total stimulus funding to hospitals, he said even that amount will not be enough to close the fiscal gap hospitals are facing.


Without proper funding to offset major financial losses during the pandemic, the consequences to major hospitals could be dire. Large hospitals could begin to see their capabilities and care resources fade, warned Shulkin and others who have served at the helm of major hospitals.


It could also require hospitals to prioritize some departments and teams, such as oncology and critical care teams, over others considered less essential. Large clinics, known for developing cutting-edge care could see reduction in the scope of their research, particularly for research unrelated to the coronavirus.


Some major institutions have already begun pay cuts, furloughs, and layoffs of hospital staff, deepening a growing unemployment crisis, and leaving some former hospital workers without health insurance.

MORE Treating coronavirus is draining hospital coffers of millions and threatening resources

[harrybarracuda]

How the fuck can US hospitals go bust when they charge $1500 for a fucking Panadol.

It's the insurance companies that will be taking it up the arse surely.

And they'll just put their rates up.

[jabir]

Lots of extra funding to be had by teams that make a significant breakthrough, and endless profits by the team that develops the miracle jab. Therefore it will never happen and for obvious reasons, but the best route toward developing an efficient virus cure, vaccine, or relief must be to pool efforts by centralising research data.

[HuangLao]

Lots of extra funding to be had by teams that make a significant breakthrough, and endless profits by the team that develops the miracle jab. Therefore it will never happen and for obvious reasons, but the best route toward developing an efficient virus cure, vaccine, or relief must be to pool efforts by centralising research data.

And in the end, isn't this what it's all about....
Control, influence, suppression and mega-profits.

Has little to do with anything else.

[Troy]

^ Actually, I think it has a lot to do with people dying.