The COVID-2019 Thread

[Troy]

Let's get back to the start of this shall we...

Total tripe.

Just because you don't test doesn't mean you're in the black.

"Look at this, "we stopped testing people and now we have no more confirmed infections, we're world champions. It's magic!!"

You have successfully managed to disprove this yourself by showing that Sweden is testing.

[Forethat]

Personally, I don't get why anyone would wan't to come up with the idea that Sweden are doing so great.
One theory is that people are incapable of differentiating between health and economy outcomes. It's as if they believe that just because they might save their economy, they have less infected and dead people as a result. They don't. In almost every way you choose to twist the numbers, Sweden are at the tragic end of the scale in terms of health outcome. Not the other way around. Fact.

And yes, Internet Einsteins, there are less deaths in Sweden than in the UK.

But looking at deaths per million population, Sweden ranks as #10 out of 212 nations and territories monitored by WHO. Using that stat, there are 202 nations doing better than Sweden.

	Country,	Deaths/	Total	Tests/
	Other	1M pop	Tests	1M pop
1	San Marino	1,208	2,397	70,643
2	Belgium	670	260,996	22,520
3	Andorra	557	1,673	21,653
4	Spain	537	1,528,833	32,699
5	Italy	467	2,053,425	33,962
6	UK	405	1,023,824	15,082
7	France	377	1,100,228	16,856
8	Sint Maarten	303	329	7,673
9	Netherlands	291	225,899	13,184
10	Sweden	264	119,500	11,833

[harrybarracuda]

US politicians' lawsuit farce against China a shame of civilization: People's Daily commentary

Oh dear, looks like the chinkies have hurt feelings.

[HermantheGerman]

'How is this possible?' Researchers grapple with Covid-19's mysterious mechanism

Doctors are still exploring exactly how the coronavirus affects the body, and what its long-term impacts might be.

Respiratory physician Dr David Darley says something peculiar happens to a small group of Covid-19 patients on day seven of their symptoms.
“Up until the end of that first week, they’re stable,” says Darley, a doctor with Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital. “And then suddenly, they have this hyper-inflammatory response. The proteins involved in that inflammation start circulating in the body at high levels.”

'How is this possible?' Researchers grapple with Covid-19's mysterious mechanism | World news | The Guardian

Yes, interesting read. Read an article from a doctor here in Germany that reports similar. Goes something like this:

We are still learning a lot of new things, even more experienced doctors are always surprised. There are first scientific publications that
want to classify the lung failure in the case of a Covid 19 disease as a completely new category, because the process is different and partly
is much heavier. Specific therapy is necessary. We can now classify subtypes among the Covid 19 sufferers. There is
the L-type, this is a patient who hardly feels shortness of breath but has poor oxygen levels. The lungs are well ventilated, their blood flow is good
but already so disturbed that the blood is no longer so well enriched with oxygen. This is almost Covid-specific for pneumonia
and was completely surprising for us at the beginning. In the later course the disease can progress to the so-called H type,
then the patient feels really bad, the cell damage in the lungs gets worse and water collects
in it. Intensive medical treatment with ventilation may be necessary. We only have this whole knowledge in the last few years
Weeks won, in January there was no such thing. It was viral pneumonia for many.

[Forethat]

Let's get back to the start of this shall we...



You have successfully managed to disprove this yourself by showing that Sweden is testing.

If Swedens R-number was below 1, they wouldn't have an upgoing trend in terms on new infections, it would be the other way around.
So, to suggest that Swedens R-number is <1 is exactly that, total tripe.

[Dragonfly]

If Swedens R-number was below 1, they wouldn't have an upgoing trend in terms on new infections, it would be the other way around.
So, to suggest that Swedens R-number is <1 is exactly that, total tripe.

dude, you attached yourself to that one graph like it was the holly grail, it's not FFS

data analysis is about looking at different stats to get a clear picture of what's going, not fixating on meaningless stats to win some pointless arguments of yours

PS: Lockdowns don't work, Sweden got it right

[Forethat]

PS: Lockdowns don't work, Sweden got it right

In what way?
Clearly, from a health perspective they didn't.
I've tried to explain this to you (with mixed results, yes...).

From a health perspective, Sweden are doing worse than almost every country in the world. Obviously, they will have fewer infected people than many others due to their low population. But, if you take population and population density into account they are amongst the worst, or even THE worst affected country in the world. Fact.

[HermantheGerman]

Is Sweden on the right track?

May 2nd, 2020 - 11:31 pm
The number of new corona infections is declining, according to the national health authority in Sweden.
The Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell confirmed in an interview with the broadcaster SVT that the number of reproductions has been below 1.0 for several days. This means that a Swede infected with the novel corona virus infects fewer than another Swede on average.
"That means the pandemic will gradually fade," Tegnell said late Friday night on the broadcaster.
A compilation by the Swedish health authority shows that the reproduction rate in the country has been relatively stable at around 1.0 since April 10. On April 1, it was still 1.40, on April 25 - the last value published so far - after a decline of several days, it was only 0.85.

uupss forgot something

Sweden is taking an internationally recognized special route in the fight against the corona crisis. Compared to most other countries, the Scandinavian country has responded to the pandemic with more relaxed measures, for example, kindergartens, schools and other facilities have never been closed.
Rather, it appeals to the common sense of the citizens so that they keep their distance and the corona spread can thus be slowed down. Compared to the rest of Scandinavia, however, the Swedes have a relatively large number of infections and deaths: by Saturday morning, more than 22,000 infections and more than 2,650 deaths with Covid 19 disease had been recorded.

Now please don't include me in your shitfest.

I think its great that Sweden is trying a different way. Let's see what happens.
The Chinese have proven to be worthless....so far.

[Forethat]

Is Sweden on the right track?

May 2nd, 2020 - 11:31 pm
The number of new corona infections is declining, according to the national health authority in Sweden.
The Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell confirmed in an interview with the broadcaster SVT that the number of reproductions has been below 1.0 for several days. This means that a Swede infected with the novel corona virus infects fewer than another Swede on average.
"That means the pandemic will gradually fade," Tegnell said late Friday night on the broadcaster.
A compilation by the Swedish health authority shows that the reproduction rate in the country has been relatively stable at around 1.0 since April 10. On April 1, it was still 1.40, on April 25 - the last value published so far - after a decline of several days, it was only 0.85.

Now please don't include me in your shitfest.

I think its great that Sweden is trying a different way. Let's see what happens.
The Chinese have proven to be worthless....so far.

Well you see, that's the problem: just because someone SAYS the numbers are declining doesn't mean they are. Let me give you some facts. Here are the number of reported daily infections from Swedish authorities. Please note that they are not MY numbers, I'm simply running the data THEY provided. OK? Look at this chart and ask yourself the following question: are the number of daily new infections in Sweden declining?

[Troy]

You have successfully managed to disprove this yourself by showing that Sweden is testing.

If Swedens R-number was below 1, they wouldn't have an upgoing trend in terms on new infections, it would be the other way around.
So, to suggest that Swedens R-number is <1 is exactly that, total tripe.

See what you did there? It's called trolling....

...and BTW the curve does not show an upward trend but one that is flattening.

[harrybarracuda]

Let's play a game.

Can you guess if this fucking nazi is a Republican or Democrat?

Take your time now.

A planning commissioner of a Northern California city was removed from his post Friday night after saying that just as a forest fire clears dead brush, “the sick, the old, the injured” should be left to meet their “natural course in nature” during the coronavirus outbreak.

Via a Zoom meeting, the five-member City Council of Antioch, a city of about 110,000 people 35 miles east of Oakland, voted unanimously to remove Ken Turnage II from his post as chairman of the city’s planning commission.

Turnage, who owns a home restoration company in Antioch, had characterized the elderly, the homeless and people with weak immune systems as a drain on society who should be left to perish as COVID-19 sweeps through Contra Costa County, where it has killed 28 people and infected 907 to date.

“If we were to live our lives, let nature run its course, yes we will all feel hardship, we will all feel loss,” he wrote on Facebook. But “as a species,” he continued, the deaths would alleviate strain on the country’s healthcare and Social Security systems and free up jobs and housing.


As for “our homeless and other people who just defile themselves by either choice or mental issues,” Turnage wrote, the virus would “fix what is a significant burden on our society.”

Official who said some should be left to die of virus is ousted - Los Angeles Times

[harrybarracuda]

A research assessment reported to have been compiled by the “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance of western states has stated that the Chinese government deliberately hid or destroyed evidence about the initial outbreak of the coronavirus.

The document charts how Beijing denied at first that the disease could be transmitted between humans; silenced or ‘disappeared’ medics who tried to warn of the outbreak; blocked access by international organisations to Wuhan, where it originated; and refused to provide live samples to international scientists trying to find a vaccine.

The Five Eyes intelligence network – comprising the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand – has been sharing information on Covid-19, but there is no specific joint operation on the issue. US intelligence agencies are carrying out an investigation at the order of Donald Trump, who has demanded that China pays compensation for its alleged negligence in allowing the pandemic to spread around the world.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9495856.html

[Dragonfly]

Trump was right again to call on the Chinese for their cover up,

we might possibly go to war with them and seek financial remedies for this shit,

[harrybarracuda]

Fancy having to kow tow to these fucking retards.

Stillwater rescinded its requirement that restaurant and retail customers wear face coverings after businesses reported employees facing threats of violence over the masks, according to a news release.

Mayor Will Joyce amended his emergency proclamation to “encourage” citizens to wear face coverings while at essential and nonessential businesses.

City Manager Norman McNickle said in a press release that businesses relayed that store employees had been “threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse” Friday.

“In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm,” McNickle said. “This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.

“Many of those with objections cite the mistaken belief the requirement is unconstitutional, and under their theory, one cannot be forced to wear a mask. No law or court supports this view.”

The city’s news release did not specify where threats against employees or verbal abuse had occurred.

Stillwater Police Chief Jeff Watts issued a separate statement refuting social media claims that the department was checking motorists for face coverings, responding to complaints about them or ticketing those without coverings.

Friday’s amended proclamation also extended the city’s state of emergency through May 31.

Stillwater rescinds mask order after businesses report employees 'threatened with physical violence' by those opposed | Government & Politics | tulsaworld.com

[Forethat]

See what you did there? It's called trolling....

No, it's called "provide facts"

...and BTW the curve does not show an upward trend but one that is flattening.

Unfortunately it isn't (unless you choose to base your trend on the last two days. But for the sake of it, here are the trends based on the last week, the last two weeks, the last three weeks and the last four weeks. Please point out where it is declining:

[Troy]

Well you see, that's the problem: just because someone SAYS the numbers are declining doesn't mean they are. Let me give you some facts. Here are the number of reported daily infections from Swedish authorities. Please note that they are not MY numbers, I'm simply running the data THEY provided. OK? Look at this chart and ask yourself the following question: are the number of daily new infections in Sweden declining?

Might help if you put February and march in.

Not a good troll that one...

[Troy]

No, it's called "provide facts"


Unfortunately it isn't (unless you choose to base your trend on the last two days. But for the sake of it, here are the trends based on the last week, the last two weeks, the last three weeks and the last four weeks. Please point out where it is declining:

Facts to support 'x' are irrelevant when arguing point 'z'.

...and the facts don't support 'x' either.

Another failed troll...

[OhOh]

Unfortunately many countries reported numbers are based on different criteria.

For just one example:

Great importance is placed on "reported test numbers".

Is that:

1. Applying to be tested?
2. Awaiting the hospital to be built?
3. Awaiting the hospital to have a free slot?
4. Awaiting the hospital to have the necessary test kit?
5. Awaiting the hospital to have a available tester?
6. Awaiting the hospital to have the necessary analysis kit?
7. Having the test performed?
8. Having the test analysed?
9. Being informed of the test result?
10. Adding the test result to the "daily tested", reported number?

Which countries "report" at each stage?

[Forethat]

Might help if you put February and march in.

Not a good troll that one...

Ok, here you go. Happier? Seriously, admit that you are wrong. It doesn't matter how you twist the numbers. From a health perspective, Sweden is at the wrong end of the scale. They're not doing good. Fact.

[Forethat]

Unfortunately many countries reported numbers are based on different criteria.

For just one example:

Great importance is placed on "reported test numbers".

Is that:

1. Applying to be tested?
2. Awaiting the hospital to be built?
3. Awaiting the hospital to have a free slot?
4. Awaiting the hospital to have the necessary test kit?
5. Awaiting the hospital to have a available tester?
6. Awaiting the hospital to have the necessary analysis kit?
7. Having the test performed?
8. Having the test analysed?
9. Being informed of the test result?
10. Adding the test result to the "daily tested", reported number?

Which countries "report" at each stage?

Excellent question. I don't think there IS a common standard. Just by looking at the available data it becomes clear that there are two categories reported and they don't match.
It'd make my job a hell of a lot easier if they reported Tests Analysed, Tests Positive and Tests Negative, but there's currently no correlation between the numbers. Some nations are better than others, but it's an absolute mess, to say the very least.

[Troy]

Seriously, did you only learn straight line regression?

Use a polynomial and,better still, a log scale for the y-axis. Don't they teach office boys anything these days?

When you've done don't forget that you are comparing a race car on the track with lots of fuel on board to one stuck in the pits wondering how to restart the engine.

[harrybarracuda]

I picture two blokes in tweed jackets with elbow patches arguing in a pub over their half pints of shandy.

[Forethat]

you are not pointing out any facts, you are interpreting one graph as the holly grail of your argument

if you look at the different stats about COVID (google them), it becomes clear for anyone with a clue with numbers (obviously not your case here) that Sweden is on the right path. That's facts. The problem is you are too lazy to do your research or look at anything else that could question your ONE graph. Typical government employees MO. No wonder the UK government is so fucked.

Actually, when I look at the data I can't find ONE single country where the number of daily infected people are increasing in Europe other than Sweden. EVERY country has a declining number of infected people.

Here are some facts:



As I said, it really does't matter how the numbers are twisted or turned, Sweden is at the very worst end of the scale regardless of how you look at it. Obviously, the reason Sweden is the only country with an upwards trend in terms of daily infected people is that they don't have a lockdown in place.

[Forethat]

Seriously, did you only learn straight line regression?

Use a polynomial and,better still, a log scale for the y-axis. Don't they teach office boys anything these days?

When you've done don't forget that you are comparing a race car on the track with lots of fuel on board to one stuck in the pits wondering how to restart the engine.

That IS logarithmic data, you amateur. The trend is logarithmic as well. If you want a polynomial trend I can provide one, but I can tell you straight away that it would only make my case look even stronger.
Here you go:




More questions?

[HuangLao]

It's obvious that we could use another good dose/wave of this shit.

The first culling wasn't enough.