The population density contradicts your argument (it's not as if Stockholm is more dense than London. The 10th largest city in Sweden (Helsingborg) is as big as UK:s 225th largest city (Chesterfield)).
The population is FAR more dense in the UK:s big cities. It doesn't matter how you view the statistics - Sweden is doing a piss poor job at managing the pandemic. Deaths per million, infections per million, deaths and/or infections per million vs. population density.
What the hell is it that you lot fail to comprehend? You ARE Donald Trump, aren't you? Basil Fawlty?
A trend is not data, it's an analysis of data. Here is the data:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series/time_series_covid19_confirmed_global.csv
Make up your mind. Show us all now how fuckin clever you are. Give me an analysis of the long term trend..? Come on now, amateur!!! Show us all how clever you are!!
^ You are right FT, timely point; trend is an analysis of data, my view of the trend is more, and more people are going to get this virus!
Yap, there are only a handful of countries with a negative trend. Sweden is actually one of the countries with a really bad trend.
The question is which country will end up with the highest CFR. So far, there are two successful ways of tackling this pandemic.
1. Prevent citizens from being infected (lockdown as in New Zealand and South Korea)
2. Test often to make sure you can begin treatment early (Germany)
My guess is that in the end, unless a country had the correct strategy from the start, countries will end up with a figure that is proportionally equal to the population density in comparison with other countries.
I'm talking strictly from a health and fatality perspective. Economically, I have a different view of who's managing this best.
the long term trend is that we are still in a momentum for total infections, you really don't have a clue, and yes we use trends to analyze overall data, all calculation is about analyzing data, and trends calculation give you accurate information about the state of your data
in simple terms, don't pay attention to daily rates, the total exposure is increasing, daily, and we can't stop it, and that's a fact. Numbers don't lie.
and get yourself a degree in statistics
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SK doesn't have a total lockdown, where the fuck do you get your news????
Germany didn't do a massive test for everyone, they are doing tests on suspect cases, like everyone else.
I seriously hope you don't work in a government office, or have any say in the briefings for British politicians to take a decision
but again that could explain all the mistakes they have been doing with the silly lockdowns,
First of all, get yourself a training course in reading comprehension, you're flunking there as well. Where have I said that SK did a total lockdown? Where have I said that Germany are testing everyone. Are you stupid AND blind?
Here's what I wrote:
Hang on, now I get it - you're George McFly, aren't you??
"McFly! Hello! Anybody home!!"
Actually, you don't need a degree in statistics to interpret the available data. My five year old is going over the numbers as we speak.
But you seem to struggle. BTW, where is that analysis of yours? I mean, you have bragged about it for a couple of pages now. Show us all an analysis of the available data and come up with a feasible long term trend and then we'll talk. Until then you're a big mouth with absolutely nothing to show for it. Sorry, but that's just the fact.
Personally, I think the reason they are gambling the way they do is because they can't afford any other approach.
I'm not saying their approach is wrong from a national economy perspective, but I'd be furious if my Government was prepared to sacrifice the elders the way they are. At least the other countries are trying.
And let's just face it, they DO have an advantage with an incredibly low population and density. But so do Norway and Finland, and they are doing MUCH better in any category you can come up with (and if the category you want to use as an argument doesn't exist, let me know and I'll spin up the data and provide an overview in less than 10 minutes).
Hey, if you've run out of arguments you only have to say so!
I know it's hard to argue against someone who provides actual facts, but there's no need to feel bad when you've been proven wrong. There's actually nothing wrong with being wrong. Say after me:
"I was wrong".
Hope that helps!
The chart for May you keep posting shows Sweden is testing.
You are the one being obtuse or trolling and started the abuse.
You can"t compare Sweden with countries under lockdown until they ease restrictions. If a solution is found quickly then Sweden have made a mistake, if not then their method may be an aim for easing restrictions and sustaining the economy.
Remember the Imperial College model did not include economic effects.
If you are working for the government then stop deflecting and start worrying about how many deaths have occurred in the UK due to bad policies that failed to isolate clusters to start with and ended up ruining the economy as well.
The problem with any discussion using statistical data to draw a conclusion is that there is no control or standardization of tests, availability of tests, testing protocols, accuracy and application.
False positives, false negatives and unrepeatable results have plagued Covid testing.
Throw genetics, population distribution and density, cost of the testing and the lag between the testing and reporting of the test result(s) into the mix.
Add in the fact (since the onset of Covid) that 80% experience mild or no symptoms and up to 60% are asymptomatic.
From the USA CDC
Testing for COVID-19 | CDC
Who should be tested
To learn if you have a current infection, viral tests are used. But not everyone needs this test.
Most people will have mild illness and can recover at home without medical care and may not need to be tested.
CDC has guidance for who should be tested, but decisions about testing are made by state and local external icon health departments or healthcare providers.
If you have symptoms of COVID-19 and want to get tested, call your healthcare provider first.
You can also visit your state or local health department’s website to look for the latest local information on testing.
Although supplies of tests are increasing, it may still be difficult to find a place to get tested.
Page last reviewed: May 1, 2020
Content source: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), Division of Viral Diseases
So, the lack of standardization of testing protocols more or less invalidates any conclusion presented using Covid Test Data/Statistics as the supporting platform.
^^ I am calling troll on this guy...Forethat
Arguing for the sake of arguing and contradicting his own posts to illicit a response.
He's a smegesque multi-nicking fraud.
It's nice of Sweden to act as the control group for western nations.
Thanks, Sweden.
The numbers from 2019, 2018, 2016, 2013, 2009, etc....
Where was the frenzied panic then.
...and today's figures from worldometers.info show
UK cases per million 2685 UK; Deaths per million 414
Sweden cases per million 2186; Deaths per million 264
UK deaths so far ... 28,131 deaths yesterday +621
Sweden deaths so far 2,669 deaths yesterday +16
Makes UK look like a total failure in controlling the pandemic....
Death, murder even, by incompetence...
^ Sweden is twice the size of Britain and has a population a seventh of the size.
Its a lot easier for them to social distance.
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