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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Testing at all the China entry points, mandatory 14 days isolation in government managed facilities, phone location apps and robust analysis, as they have now. Tends to make life less stressful for their citizens and leaders.

    As opposed to others where every tweet and news bulletin sea saws from one extreme to another. No doubt causing the death's numbers, virus/heart attacks due to virus "news", to grow.

    As intended.

    Every particular locale in the world will have their own select protocol and policy in the coming months as this pathogen winds down somewhat - or we've manage to contain it in one degree or another.
    Extreme caveats are in place, as the experts certainly agree, universally, that it's not going away anytime soon.
    Vaccines and and antibody serums are being steadily explored as we speak.

    Because of it's highly contagious nature, most are expecting a second/third wave.
    Could easily develop mutated more deadly versions - if it's not doing that already.

    Some countries have already taken steps [the models that have already been praised, yet never followed] to encourage the stability of any further movement and infection.
    ....and others haven't a clue, continuing to stumble over their politics and societal character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    All of Germany's states have announced plans to make face masks compulsory to combat the spread of coronavirus.
    Bremen became the final federal region to back the measures, with its senate set to confirm the decision on Friday.
    Mask use will be compulsory on public transport throughout Germany, and nearly all states will also make face coverings mandatory when shopping.
    Coronavirus: Germany's states make face masks compulsory - BBC News


    Just wondering if their are anymore TD experts who are against it....daughters & friends included
    Every little helps. If they stop your rancid, disease-ridden droplets of expiration touching anyone else, go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Double whamy.
    Is this some kind of ice cream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The idea that it is the nicotine that is helping smoker's to not get the virus is purely a hunch as far as I can find from the reports.

    It could simply be that most smokers breath through the mouth rather than nose and the main entry point into the body seems to via cells in the nose.
    I think they might have thought of that.

    It isn't. It's the nicotine itself. Not that they are going to make every patient chainsmoke Gitanes to see if that cures them mind you. There is a bit more science to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    And that sounds perfectly reasonable. They really need to give more power to the federal government and less to state/local governments in order to standardize things more.
    More power to people like baldy orange cunto? What good will that do?

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    Just seen an excellent tip. Change your Wifi SSID to "5G Covid Test Mast".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There was a big jump in new cases yesterday, over 100,000 in a day for only the second time.

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    Ecuador suddenly jumped to 11,000 cases, which doubled their infections in a day. Something to keep an eye on.

    We will soon globally reach 3,000,000 cases and 200,000 attributed deaths. Both of those numbers, of course, are based on tested patients.
    Bored shiteless here, so let's open the weary legs and see where that takes us...

    Is 200k attributed deaths such a bad thing? Sure it's a lot of people - almost an entire day's worth of increased global population - but we're well over that already with the benefit of accurate and comprehensive data, while at a certain point the numbers cease to matter and people get on with life as best they can.

    Just mho, it's not so much the numbers that scare us so many months in, as our ignorance of what this thing is, how it works, how contagious is it, how long it incubates, and a dozen other questions that no expert can more than guess at. That's what's scary, not knowing what it is that could suddenly take off with the potential to strike not hundreds of thousands but hundreds of millions.

    So our leaders pay experts to console us that best of the best are working on a magic potion. Never mind that this is unrealistic, because most people are too stupid to compute that best case scenario has it months if not years away, by which time at current rates and a possible second wave, added to the real threat - current levels of ignorance - that 200k dead could be something from the good old days we should be celebrating. And then another bunch of experts work in tandem to offer an alternate form of salvation, that the virus might burn itself out; sure it might, and it might not.

    I think our resident Belgian got it right, you can't rationalise with Nature so best is coexist, accept the occasional batch of random losses, and try to minimise them preferably without destroying the economy because with that goes everything else, including more lives than you thought to save, through lost livelihoods and the will to live.

    On other fronts, Ebola is alive and well, though not in London or Paris so that's ok, while the HIV death toll has topped 32m, and that's the official number so it's probably safe to add a few on account of image in countries that have no right to such vanity; and that's after decades, being no closer to a vaccine than we were twenty years ago.

    Permanent social and workplace changes are certain, so let's remove some of the pain by starting now rather than later, revise attitudes and gradually ease restrictions toward reopening, preserve sensible spacing/sanitation, save what's left of a crippled world economy, and take it from there. Or continue on the same course that first complacent and then panicked leaders chose, hoping to reduce virus deaths but destroying more lives than the virus does, and creating a string of dead economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Permanent social and workplace changes are certain, so let's remove some of the pain by starting now rather than later, revise attitudes and gradually ease restrictions toward reopening, preserve sensible spacing/sanitation, save what's left of a crippled world economy, and take it from there. Or continue on the same course that first complacent and then panicked leaders chose, hoping to reduce virus deaths but destroying more lives than the virus does, and creating a string of dead economies.
    Go back to the early days, and the issue of the pandemic wasn't so much the number of deaths, it is a small amount and mainly the elderly, many of who were probably going to die of natural causes soon anyway. The issue is overwhelmed health services and the 20% or so that need hospital treatment, in many cases intensive care.

    That's the issue.

    I mean if you really wanted to go for it, just get Chinastan to expand their "Belt and Owed" and go around the world building lots of those "hospitals" they can knock up in double time.

    At least they'd be doing something fucking useful for a change.

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    ^^ Absolutely spot on Jabir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    ^^ Absolutely spot on Jabir.

    Seconded!
    The reality of what/who we are is beginning to show it's strain.

    ....and, per usual, Harry's missing the bigger picture - or any picture at all, for that matter.
    Last edited by HuangLao; 25-04-2020 at 07:41 PM.

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    Yes Jabir, well said, you get my vote.

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    Sweden seems to be doing okay at the moment without having to resort to lockdown. The daily numbers of infections are reasonably flat. Any ideas why?

    Also, I was surprised to see an upturn in numbers in Italy, Germany and Spain over the last few days while still in lockdown.

    I like that idea of people using an oximeter on a daily basis to check their condition rather than an unreliable virus test (or temperature check). They are pretty cheap, easy to use, and lots available. Those with 'flu symptoms could call in before the virus gets to the critical stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    So our leaders pay experts to console us that best of the best are working on a magic potion. Never mind that this is unrealistic
    The experts telling governments that only draconian lockdown measure will save lives are in no danger of losing their jobs. In fact life is good, as they cycle on empty, pollution free roads, to their university cloisters and engage in another day's mental masturbation, congratulating themselves on what a great job they are doing.
    Blessed are the piss takers, for they shall inherit the mirth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Sweden seems to be doing okay at the moment without having to resort to lockdown. The daily numbers of infections are reasonably flat. Any ideas why?

    Also, I was surprised to see an upturn in numbers in Italy, Germany and Spain over the last few days while still in lockdown.

    I like that idea of people using an oximeter on a daily basis to check their condition rather than an unreliable virus test (or temperature check). They are pretty cheap, easy to use, and lots available. Those with 'flu symptoms could call in before the virus gets to the critical stage.
    because if anyone had listened to MSF medical staff, they will explain that the virus spread even in lockdowns, and actually will spread faster in lockdown places because of the clustering effect

    now political leaders are caught with their pants down and have no clue what to do next, so what is their solution while they figure it out? stay home and stop the economy

    we were fucked from day 1, they are still in denial and don't want to get sued for lack of actions, hence the lockdowns

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    this is like the end of times with the Mayas, their clueless leaders kept sacrificing their people so the gods could stop the famine they created on their own

    we are not far off from that civilization after all

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    ^ Are you saying there are too many Bettyboos in this world in power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    because if anyone had listened to MSF medical staff, they will explain that the virus spread even in lockdowns, and actually will spread faster in lockdown places because of the clustering effect
    What fucking nonsense. Everyplace that went into lockdown has managed to control the spread of the virus. New York is having trouble because even in lockdown the number of essential workers is still high so you still have a lot of people interacting.
    Wuhan went into brutal lockdown and stomped it on the head.
    Same around here though we never had as many cases.
    The kids are at the park right now with all the other kids.
    Lockdown works.
    Testing is important.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What fucking nonsense. Everyplace that went into lockdown has managed to control the spread of the virus. New York is having trouble because even in lockdown the number of essential workers is still high so you still have a lot of people interacting.
    Wuhan went into brutal lockdown and stomped it on the head.
    Same around here though we never had as many cases.
    The kids are at the park right now with all the other kids.
    Lockdown works.
    Testing is important.
    you are delusional to think that things were successful with the Chinese approach, it wasn't. Why do you think they lied for their numbers.

    You want to stop the virus, you let it run its course, because lockdowns don't stop it

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    World leaders meet to discuss coronavirus strategy. Shun/Don't invite Trump.

    US stays away as world leaders agree action on Covid-19 vaccineVideo meeting seen as global endorsement of WHO and sign of Trump’s isolation on world stage


    Global leaders have pledged to accelerate cooperation on a coronavirus vaccine and to share research, treatment and medicines across the globe. But the United States did not take part in the World Health Organization initiative, in a sign of Donald Trump’s increasing isolation on the global stage.


    The cooperation pledge, made at a virtual meeting, was designed to show that wealthy countries will not keep the results of research from developing countries.


    The meeting also represented a symbolic endorsement of the United Nations body in the face of Trump’s decision to suspend US payments and condemn its leaders as subordinates of the Chinese Communist party. China and the US have accused each other of bullying and disinformation over the coronavirus outbreak, damaging efforts to secure cooperation at the G20, the natural international institution to handle global health outside the UN.


    Instead an ad hoc grouping of 20 world leaders and global health figures were on the call, including the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, and the American philanthropist Bill Gates. Britain will co-chair a joint coronavirus global response summit on 4 May aimed at raising funds for vaccine research, treatments and tests.


    Macron told the meeting: “We will continue now to mobilise all G7 and G20 countries so they get behind this initiative. And I hope we will be able to reconcile around this joint initiative both China and the US, because this is about saying the fight against Covid-19 is a common human good and there should be no division in order to win this battle.”


    The WHO director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said: “We are facing a common threat that we can only defeat with a common approach. Experience has told us that even when tools are available they have not been equally available to all. We cannot allow that to happen.”


    More than 100 potential vaccines are being developed, including six already in clinical trials, according to Seth Berkley, the chief executive of the Gavi vaccine alliance, a public-private partnership that leads immunisation campaigns in poor countries.


    Berkley said it was critical that there was not a repeat of the experience in 2009, when the H1N1 vaccine did not reach developing countries until very late.




    The US mission in Geneva confirmed there would be no official US participation, but said it looked forward to the outcome of the WHO meeting.


    Five pledges were agreed on the call:


    Provide access to new treatments, technologies and vaccines across the world.
    Commit to an unprecedented level of international partnership on research and coordinate efforts to tackle the pandemic and reduce infections.
    Reach collective decisions on responding to the pandemic, recognising that the virus’s spread in one country can affect all countries.
    Learn from experience and adapt the global response.
    Be accountable, to the most vulnerable communities and the whole world.
    The heavily multilateral tone of the pledges contrasts with many countries’ immediate reaction to the outbreak, when countries banned the export of their medical equipment, closed borders and even tried to steal equipment from one another. The degree of cooperation over the vaccine research has also been patchy at best.


    The meeting also agreed to appoint two new special envoys to lead global cooperation on vaccine research and to help ensure equal access to any successful vaccines. Sir Andrew Witty, the British former head of the global drugs giant GSK, was appointed alongside Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, the chair of Gavi.


    Britain has been one of the biggest supporters of the global effort to find a coronavirus vaccine, providing £250m for international research on the disease at the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations.
    US stays away as world leaders agree action on Covid-19 vaccine | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you are delusional to think that things were successful with the Chinese approach, it wasn't. Why do you think they lied for their numbers.

    You want to stop the virus, you let it run its course, because lockdowns don't stop it
    If it wasn't please explain why now things are opening up again.
    It was.
    That's what it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Seconded!
    The reality of what/who we are is beginning to show it's strain.

    ....and, per usual, Harry's missing the bigger picture - or any picture at all, for that matter.
    Jeff struggles with Paint by Numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Sweden seems to be doing okay at the moment without having to resort to lockdown. The daily numbers of infections are reasonably flat. Any ideas why?
    "Reasonably flat"?

    The COVID-2019 Thread-sweden1-jpg


    Also, although the numbers don't look bad, there may be other factors to consider, because the rest of the region is also pretty good (although a fuckload better than Sweden).

    This from 5 days ago:

    • Sweden — which has yet to order any lockdown amid the novel coronavirus pandemic — 15,322 cases and 1,765 deaths from the virus so far.
    • The virus has been nearly 10 times as deadly as in Sweden than in other Nordic countries.
    • Norway, which has half as many people as Sweden, has seen 7,191 cases and 182 deaths. Finland, which has a population similar to Norway's, has seen 4,014 COVID-19 cases and 141 deaths.
    • Charts released by Pantheon Macroeconomics show that Sweden's cases have yet to plateau, while Norway's case count appears to be on a downslide.


    How Sweden and Norway handled coronavirus differently - Business Insider

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    ^ recommended post up there from Jabir, nailed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    If it wasn't please explain why now things are opening up again.
    It was.
    That's what it takes.
    are you completely retarded? weren't you claiming before there was COVID-19 was named after a series of other COVID? do you actually understand what's going on?

    it doesn't work, the numbers are still going up despite the incubation of 2 weeks, they have to open up because the whole economy is crashing and we can't hold any longer

    god, with idiots like this in this world, we are really doomed

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    The numbers are going up ever so slightly but for all intents and purposes it's been stomped out here.
    just like covids 1 to 18 were.

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