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    Quote Originally Posted by Airportwo View Post
    Should I be more worried than I am?
    So far I have managed to survive through Mad Monkey Cow Disease, Ebola, the Swine Flu, Bird Flu, HIV, Aids, SARS, MERS, NBC, CBS, Ch 3, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, enforced vaccinations, drought, floods, Bush & Obama, 3 coups, Thai roads and to date, Trump, TVF, Agenda 21, Greta Thunberg & Global warming, all is well - so far, just sitting back watching the hysteria.
    I am sure that to the tens of thousand of virologists, immunologists, epidemiologists, doctors, nurses and other health workers, many of whom have literally placed their lives on the line, the fact that your pig ignorant ass can lie safe in its bed is reward enough.

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    In a discussion elsewhere there is a suggestion that due to, the low death numbers/time delay to death, the virus cannot be considered to be "weaponised".

    However one smart Alec thinks otherwise:

    "No military will develop a weapon that kills only 2% of those affected by it. A real bio weapon would also spread much faster."

    Real airliners would not fly themselves into the ground against the pilot's wishes.

    Real missile defense systems would be able to intercept the world's cheapest cruise missiles that are manufactured by workers in worn-out sandals.

    Real assault rifles are not super-expensive and do not reliably jam with the slightest trace of dust in the receiver.

    Real aircraft carriers have working elevators to move aircraft from the hangars to the flight deck.

    Real value comes out of a factory or farm, not a banker's ledger.

    But the empire doesn't think so highly of real things anymore. Delusion and fantasy are so much more satisfying.

    I am interested in knowing what our host's explanation is for how America's genetic engineers building bio-weapons would be skilled and capable when, America's contemporary domestic talent in other engineering endeavors do not exhibit these abilities.

    From what I can see the novel coronavirus is functioning as well as any American weapon system."
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Thanks. That should help put things in perspective. Although I'm afraid most people will stick with the hype.

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    Some disturbing news and pictures on BBC seeming to suggest they are struggling in China with the volumes of sick.

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    It's worst then the plague!
    The plague could have been cured with antibiotics .
    The only cure for Coronavirus is to let nature take its course, tbf it will do the rest of the worlds population a service if they can contain it mostly in China. Methane and global warming...

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    The Aussies have found vaccine thank god, can't listen to much more of this scaremongering.

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    BMA cleans up Skywalk to prevent coranavirus

    BANGKOK (NNT) - The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has conducted a cleanup activity and called on members of the public to wear health masks and to wash hands often to protect themselves from coronavirus.


    BMA Permanent Secretary Silapasuay Ravisaengsura led over 1,000 BMA volunteers in the cleanup activity today, to prevent coronavirus in the Skywalk area in Pathumwan district of Bangkok. Skywalk stairway railings, walkway railings and poles were cleaned, while health masks and hand-washing gel were handed out to tourists and other passers-by.


    Meanwhile, the BMA has called on members of the public not to panic and to eat hot food, use center spoons, wear health masks and wash their hands frequently. They should also avoid touching objects in public places.


    Besides the Skywalk area, the BMA volunteers have spread out to other public spots to maintain the cleanup activity to prevent a further BMA spread of the new virus.


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    Fears of new virus trigger anti-China sentiment worldwide

    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — A scary new virus from China has spread around the world. So has rising anti-Chinese sentiment, calls for a full travel ban on Chinese visitors and indignities for Chinese and other Asians.

    Restaurants in South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Vietnam have refused to accept Chinese customers. Indonesians marched near a hotel and called on Chinese guests there to leave. French and Australian newspapers face criticism for racist headlines. Chinese and other Asians in Europe, the United States, Asia and the Pacific complain of racism.


    Two dozen countries outside of China have reported cases of the new coronavirus, which has killed more than 300 people and sickened thousands of others in China. Many countries have sent planes to the Chinese city of Wuhan to evacuate their nationals.

    The anti-China sentiments come as a powerful Beijing bolsters its global influence, and China’s rise has caused trade, political and diplomatic disputes with many countries.


    But with rising fear of the mysterious disease has come a more acute anti-Chinese and, in some cases, anti-Asian backlash.


    Here’s a look from AP journalists from around the world:
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    SOUTH KOREA


    South Korean websites have been flooded with comments calling on the government to block or expel Chinese and racist remarks about Chinese eating habits and hygiene. A popular Seoul seafood restaurant frequented by Chinese tourists posted a sign saying “No entry for Chinese” before taking it down Wednesday after an online backlash.


    More than 650,000 South Koreans have signed an online petition filed with the presidential Blue House calling for a temporary ban on Chinese visitors. Some conservative opposition lawmakers publicly back these steps, and about 30 people rallied near the Blue House on Wednesday demanding the government immediately ban Chinese tourists.


    “Unconditional xenophobia against the Chinese is intensifying” in South Korea, the mass-circulation JoongAng Ilbo newspaper said in an editorial Thursday. “Infectious diseases are a matter of science, not an issue that can be resolved through an emotional outpouring.”
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    THE UNITED STATES


    After news broke that someone attending Arizona State University has the virus, Ari Deng, who is Chinese American, said she sat down at a study table on the Tempe, Arizona, campus near five other students.


    Deng, who was the only Asian, said the other students began whispering. “They got really tense and they quickly gathered their stuff and just left at the same time.”


    In a recent business class a non-Asian student “said ‘Not to be racist, but there’s a lot of international students that live in my apartment complex. I try my best to keep my distance but I think it’s a good precaution for all of us to wash our hands,’” Deng said.


    “It stings but I don’t let it take up room in my mind or weigh on my conscience,” she said.


    Meanwhile, the University of California, Berkeley’s health services center removed an Instagram post Thursday that said “fears about interacting with those who might be from Asia and guilt about these feelings” were a normal reaction to the coronavirus outbreak.


    “No matter how much time we spend in this country, at times we are almost immediately viewed as a foreigner,” Gregg Orton, the national director of the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans, said. “It’s a pretty frustrating reality for many of us.”
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    HONG KONG


    The virus has deepened anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong, where months of street protests against Beijing’s influence have roiled the semi-autonomous Chinese city.


    Last week, Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam suspended ferry and high-speed train services to the mainland and reduced flights between Hong Kong and Chinese cities.


    Tenno Ramen, a Japanese noodle restaurant in Hong Kong, is refusing to serve mainland customers.


    “We want to live longer. We want to safeguard local customers. Please excuse us,” the restaurant said on Facebook.
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    EUROPE


    A French teacher started a Twitter conversation recently under #JeNeSuisPasUnVirus (I am not a virus) that has drawn numerous accounts of discrimination, from children taunted in the schoolyard to subway passengers moving away from people who appear Asian.


    France has a significant and growing Asian community, and Chinese visitors are a pillar of the French tourism industry, but old prejudices run deep. A regional newspaper in northern France carried a front-page headline warning of a “Yellow Alert,” and later apologized amid national criticism.


    “It’s a virus that comes from a region in China. It could have come from North Africa, Europe or anywhere,” said Soc Lam, a legal adviser to Chinese community groups in Paris. “People should not consider that just because we are Asian, we are more likely to spread the virus.”


    A Danish paper, Jyllands-Posten, published a cartoon that replaced the yellow stars of the Chinese flag with representations of the virus. The Chinese Embassy in Copenhagen called the cartoon “an insult to China” and demanded the newspaper apologize.


    The German Der Spiegel magazine ran a headline that said “made in China” along with a photo of an individual in protective gear.


    On Friday, a cafe near Rome’s Trevi Fountain, a popular tourist site, posted a notice in its window saying “all people coming from China are not allowed access in this place,” according to the Italian news agency ANSA. When AP journalists went there to check on it, the post was no longer in the window.
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    AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND


    More than 51,000 signatures have appeared on an online petition demanding apologies from Australia’s two biggest-circulation newspapers over their headlines.


    The petition condemned Melbourne’s Herald Sun headline Wednesday that read, “Chinese virus pandamonium,” a misspelling that plays on China’s native pandas, and Sydney’s The Daily Telegraph headline on the same day that read, “China kids stay home.”


    Singaporean Kiwi Dollice Chub told the New Zealand Herald that when she went to an Auckland mall last week to buy a wedding card a woman gave her a dirty look and told her “You Asians are the ones who brought this virus.” Chua has lived in New Zealand for 21 years. “It’s racist and beyond rude,” she said.
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    JAPAN


    Many Japanese have taken to social media to call for a travel ban for the Chinese visitors amid worries they’ll come to Japan for virus-related treatments. One tweet said, “Please ban Chinese tourists immediately,” while another said, “I’m so worried that my child may catch the virus.”


    A candy store in Hakone, a hot springs town west of Tokyo, recently made headlines after it posted a note saying, “Chinese people’s entry into the store is prohibited.” On Wednesday, Menya Hareruya, a popular ramen chain in Sapporo on Japan’s northern island of Hokkaido, posted a sign saying “No entry for Chinese tourists.”


    Zhang Jiaqi, a Chinese student in Tokyo, said he has not faced any unpleasant response from his Japanese classmates and friends, but, he added, “I noticed that some people have turned around or watched me with angry looks on their face when I was talking to my friends in Chinese.”
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    SOUTHEAST ASIA


    Last weekend, several hundred residents in the Indonesian tourist city of Bukittinggi marched to the Novotel Hotel, where some 170 Chinese tourists were staying, to protest their entrance into Indonesia.


    They blocked roads near the hotel to prevent the Chinese, who’d arrived a day earlier, from getting out of the hotel. Local authorities decided to send the visitors back to China later in the day.


    More than 400,000 Malaysians have signed an online petition calling for a ban on Chinese travelers and urging the government to “save our family and our children.”

    A hotel in Danang, Vietnam, a popular beach destination, has been refusing to accept Chinese tourists.


    A former police officer and town mayor, Abner Afuang, said he burned a Chinese flag on Friday in front of the National Press Club in Manila to protest the problems China has brought to the Philippines and other Southeast Asian countries, including the virus and Beijing’s claim to disputed islands in the South China Sea.


    The Philippine president’s office said in a statement: “Let us not engage in discriminatory behavior, nor act with any bias towards our fellowmen. The reality is everyone is susceptible to the virus.”

    Fears of new virus trigger anti-China sentiment worldwide – Thai PBS World

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    More and more reports of fear spreading


    Chinese villages walled off against outsiders as coronavirus toll mounts

    XU ZHUANG CUN, China —

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    A red ribbon and a fretful man blocked the road to this village.
    “Don’t get any closer!” he yelled. “You have to leave!”
    Here, 20 miles southeast of central Beijing, fear of a novel coronavirus, which has killed 304 people in China, hangs in the brisk winter air. Strangers bring death. They must be kept at shouting distance. Go away.
    Never mind that most of the fatalities have occurred in faraway Hubei province. Never mind that few people have reason to visit the sleepy village. Vigilance has become the watchword of the nation, and the world.

    Since the coronavirus outbreak intensified two weeks ago, Xu Zhuang Cun is one of many villages across China that have posted 24-hour guards and erected makeshift barriers against outsiders. The scenes are reminiscent of centuries past when disease and epidemics swept the land.
    Some villagers have taken extreme measures. Videos on social media show a man wielding a giant spear, one on horseback in a knight’s costume and others swatting away visitors with brooms and sticks.



    On a larger scale, cities and countries are walling themselves off, too, with thermometers pressed to travelers’ wrists, quarantines and urgent bulletins to avoid China. The virus is spreading quickly, breaching continents in a hyper-connected world. More than 14,000 have been stricken with the new flu-like illness, mostly here but also in more than a dozen other countries, including eight cases in the U.S.


    People eye each other suspiciously, judging accents, facial features, sniffles and coughs. Is she from Wuhan? You? Could you be a carrier?
    Deaths in the early days were mostly limited to the elderly. There could be many people with mild symptoms who never know they had the virus but pass it to others. Its lethality — whether it is deadlier than the flu, which kills tens of thousands of Americans each year — is not yet clear.
    Still, no one wants the virus, which is believed to have started at a live animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, in their backyard. No one wants to be responsible for letting it in. Travel restrictions and flight cancellations are mounting. Surgical masks are prized. The air is eerie and tense. Financial markets are rattled and the crisis is threatening the credibility of President Xi Jinping’s government.

    After the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a global health emergency on Thursday, the U.S. State Department urged Americans not to travel to China and those already in the country to consider leaving. Delta Airlines and United Airlines are halting all China flights.
    U.S. Embassy employees throughout China will be evacuating, after those in the virus’ epicenter of Wuhan departed on a charter flight earlier this week.

    More flights are being arranged for Americans trapped in Wuhan, which has been on lockdown, after some scored seats on the diplomatic charter flight and many others were left behind, the State Department said Thursday.

    The United Kingdom advised against all but essential travel to China and warned that leaving the country could become more difficult in the coming days.
    Israel’s foreign ministry has warned against traveling to China and urged Israelis already there to leave. Russia announced its first two coronavirus cases on Friday and has closed its 2,600-mile border with China.
    The outbreak erupted at the worst possible time: just before the Lunar New Year, when millions of Chinese travel to their hometowns or abroad in the world’s biggest annual mass migration.

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    Some cities and provinces, including Shanghai and Guangdong, have extended their new year holidays to Feb. 9 to buy more time before residents return, potentially bringing the virus with them.
    Beijing, however, has kept Monday as its back-to-work day . Health officials announced that the virus has spread in the city beyond a few travelers from Wuhan, with the coming days marking a critical period.

    Between workers who have yet to return and people staying home to avoid the virus, subways in the capital are nearly empty. Almost everyone wears a surgical mask in public, though some still indulge in the Chinese habit of spitting on the sidewalk.

    Residents who have traveled outside the city are being asked to register with their neighborhood councils. Some apartment complexes are screening the temperatures of everyone who enters.

    Beijing officials are renovating a hospital formerly used for patients during the 2003 SARS outbreak, preparing for hundreds of patients, state media reported.

    The economic effect is already being felt across China, with migrant workers stuck in their home villages, major tourist attractions closed and restaurants half-empty.
    Amid paranoia about contracting the virus, people from Hubei province and its capital city of Wuhan report feeling discriminated against or shunned. Some Asian Americans in the U.S., too, have said they are viewed as harboring the virus.

    Despite worsening conditions in the quarantined city of Wuhan, the Chinese government announced that people from Hubei province would be flown back home, because of “real difficulties that Hubei and especially Wuhan citizens are facing overseas.”





    In the Chinese countryside, villagers are keeping outsiders at bay by stringing wires or ribbons across roads, blocking entrances with cars — and sometimes by creatively arming themselves.
    In a video posted on Twitter, a man in an orange jacket and blue surgical mask sits on a platform at the entrance to his village, clutching an enormous gold spear.

    At his feet is a handwritten sign reading: “Outsiders prohibited from entering.”

    “Don’t come to see your family. No outsiders allowed,” the man warns. “This village is heavily guarded.”
    In another video, a man on horseback dressed in knight’s regalia, including a helmet, face shield and spear, says to a driver seeking to enter a village:
    “Why are you here? Go home. This is an extreme situation. You have to be safe.”

    Back on the outskirts of Beijing on Friday, a sentry at an entrance to Yu Di Cun said outsiders were not allowed into that section of the village, home to 12 households.

    The villagers, who grow cabbage, eggplant and other vegetables, have still been able to sell their produce to a local wholesaler, the man said, despite many stores and restaurants being closed in Beijing.
    Village leaders have told locals who work in the city not to come back and visit, said the man, surnamed Yu, who would not give his first name.

    He said the 24-hour security at the village entrance is a precaution. He does not believe the outbreak will get much worse.

    “The country has the ability to prevent it,” he said.
    At Tian Jia Ying Cun, villagers used pulleys to raise a red wire and let in authorized vehicles.
    One of the men, who would not give his name, said more than 2,000 people lived there, farming cabbage, radishes and other vegetables, which they have still been able to sell locally.
    “It’s because of the virus — we’re afraid of transmission,” he said of the makeshift barrier.
    Nearby, Zhang Weiguang hawked strawberries at a roadside stand. He lives in Hebei province, a three-hour drive away, and rents a greenhouse in the village to be closer to wholesalers in Beijing.

    The wholesalers have not been buying lately, so he set up the stand, with a handwritten cardboard sign and the fruit arrayed in green plastic bowls.

    The road is quiet and customers are few. If the markets in Beijing stay closed, he will lose his main source of income.
    Zhang, 41, is optimistic.
    “I believe in my country,” he said. “This won’t last very long.”



    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-31/chinese-villages-walled-off-against-outsiders-as-coronavirus-toll-mounts?fbclid=IwAR3yqX7oY2Uk5IC_PxB7UST6TCTXJXUdHE h6L8rxNpwwRPD_guIMBlFJzDA

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    The Chinese don't do themselves any favours.

    Walking around wearing face masks even before the outbreak.

    Now then, where's that terrible Chinese tourist picture thread...

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    ^ However, they take the mask off to spit or sneeze! Go figure.

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    hmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “No matter how much time we spend in this country, at times we are almost immediately viewed as a foreigner,”
    deja vu

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Fears of new virus trigger anti-China sentiment worldwide
    I suppose it is understandable to an extent however, to paraphrase the meme, considering that a good number of Western so-called developed countries literally Googled and YouTubed their way into an 21st Century outbreak of an entirely preventable disease recently then you'd think that some people might be a bit more circumspect before pointing fingers.

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    One of the better FB posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I suppose it is understandable to an extent however, to paraphrase the meme, considering that a good number of Western so-called developed countries literally Googled and YouTubed their way into an 21st Century outbreak of an entirely preventable disease recently then you'd think that some people might be a bit more circumspect before pointing fingers.
    Planning to work in USA later this year for a week or so. Normally I go in under visa free entry. This time where I am going says they will get me a visa. One of the things I need to provide is evidence of MMR vaccination. Yeah - I am nearly 60 - let me get that childhood vaccination cert for you. Actually, looking at the dates as to when MMR was introduced in, it is unlikely I had it (individual maybe). So - went to the hospital to get an antibody check. What fun. Results next week.

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    This sneezing into elbow stuff - what happened to handkerchiefs? I know I always carry one......

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg
    Planning to work in USA later this year for a week or so. Normally I go in under visa free entry. This time where I am going says they will get me a visa. One of the things I need to provide is evidence of MMR vaccination. Yeah - I am nearly 60 - let me get that childhood vaccination cert for you. Actually, looking at the dates as to when MMR was introduced in, it is unlikely I had it (individual maybe). So - went to the hospital to get an antibody check. What fun. Results next week.
    Interesting!

    An utter ball-ache if you need a visa obviously -- mine would be more recent but I've got no idea where to start looking -- but interesting that they're taking steps like that.

    Forced to actually I suppose because of some Interwebs stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Interesting!

    An utter ball-ache if you need a visa obviously -- mine would be more recent but I've got no idea where to start looking -- but interesting that they're taking steps like that.

    Forced to actually I suppose because of some Interwebs stupidity.
    The best part is the visa application takes 4 to 6 months......

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg
    The best part is the visa application takes 4 to 6 months......
    Oh yay.

    Mind you I submitted a visa application earlier last month, required a lot of health stuff too now that I think about it, and they say I can expect to hear back from them around Sept / Oct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    This sneezing into elbow stuff - what happened to handkerchiefs? I know I always carry one......
    Yea, I always think of handkerchiefs being full of snot . . . and was also taught to sneeze into my elbow as it's more hygienic than the hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Mind you I submitted a visa application earlier last month, required a lot of health stuff too now that I think about it, and they say I can expect to hear back from them around Sept / Oct.
    Why do Kiwis need a visa? Don't they (and by year's end my youngest one as well ) fall under the visa waiver?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Oh yay.

    Mind you I submitted a visa application earlier last month, required a lot of health stuff too now that I think about it, and they say I can expect to hear back from them around Sept / Oct.
    Bloody hell - that is 8 or 9 months. Yay! Go USA.....

    (..and I am clearly on the "fast track" compared to you, Ant. 555)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Some disturbing news and pictures on BBC seeming to suggest they are struggling in China with the volumes of sick.
    It looks a lot worse than it is because they tend towards hypochondria at the best of times but in the current circumstances anyone who sneezes will be off down the hospital to get checked.
    Spent last night at the local charity association packing face masks for poor villages in Hubei.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Thai doctor says new drug combination treated coronavirus patient

    Doctors in Thailand say they have successfully treated two Wuhan coronavirus patients with a combination of antiviral drugs, according to a briefing on Sunday from the Ministry of Health.


    Dr.Kriangsak Atipornwanich, a doctor at Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok, said he treated a 71-year-old female patient from China with a combination of drugs used in HIV and flu treatments. He said the patient had previously been treated with only anti-HIV drugs.


    “I had treated a patient with severe condition, and the result has been very satisfactory. The patient’s condition has improved very quickly within 48 hours. And the test result has also changed from being positive into negative within 48 hours as well,” Atipornwanich said.


    Officials at the press conference said the latest lab test has showed there’s no trace of the virus in the patient’s respiratory system.


    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the US National Institutes of Health, told CNN last week there are currently no proven effective drugs to treat the virus.


    Hospitals in Beijing have reported using the same drugs given to HIV and AIDs patients are part of treatment for the Wuhan coronavirus, though it is unclear if they have been successful.

    Coronavirus news and live updates: First death confirmed outside mainland China - CNN

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