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    Many factors affecting accurate reporting for a while yet, including as we've discussed cause of death certified as pneumonia or some other complication that may or may not be a result of the virus, and overall the number of deaths with the virus as opposed to because of it.

    There doesn't appear to be a uniform schedule or protocol for reporting daily infections/deaths, which ought to be on any list for improvements in prep for the next pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    The rounded them up. From the Post.

    All 152 Thai people mistakenly allowed to go home after returning to the country on Friday have reported to the authorities as requested, police said on Saturday.
    Of the 152, 104 reported to the Emergency Operation Centre (EOC) at Suvarnabhumi airport and 48 others at the Damrongtham Centre in their home provinces, said assistant police chief Piya Uthayo, who is also the police spokesman.
    Not what it says in the same edition in a different article (Guardian standard journalism!) also in #3959

    As for the rest, local police have been ordered to arrest them.

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    The city's riches have fled to their summer houses. The mega-rich by helicopter. The medium-rich in the SUV. Two weeks ago, her exodus caused a mega traffic jam in the Hamptons, empty supermarkets in the beach communities and overcrowded hospital beds in the Corona wards. As I drove through Manhattan, I encountered those who link poverty to the city, especially delivery men on their electric bicycles and scooters. And the many homeless people who would otherwise perish in the mass of passers-by on the streets.
    and Joe Shmo has to to the dirty work

    Trump says 1,000 military personnel deploying to New York City, warns coming week toughest yet in coronavirus fight
    The rich need to help. Tax the shit out of them.
    HtG suggests a "Covid-19 Tax"

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    ^
    Yeah, lets all march in order and have a few rallies

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    overcrowded hospital beds
    I slight touch of hyperbole in the reporting there. Still the prizes for journalism at the moment go to those who can generate the most hysteria. As in all wars truth and objectivity were early casualties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    ^
    Yeah, lets all march in order and have a few rallies
    ...now let's be civilized about it

    Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

    Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    I slight touch of hyperbole in the reporting there. Still the prizes for journalism at the moment go to those who can generate the most hysteria. As in all wars truth and objectivity were early casualties.
    Your right that's peanuts. I like the one with the dead bodies better


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    ^Civilised I agree, Let’s look at Oz, $ 213 billion spent on 35 deaths so far. (12% from a cruise ship) Fuck me i would rather be dead.
    Australia can beat this major “flu” we are basically an island that had the highest % of testing in the world.

    It won’t make a blind bit if difference - self isolation for the elderly and existing health conditions wii work - let’s get the economy going again everyone under 60 get back to work. This goes for the rest of planet blue, China has worked this our already!

    the alternative is not even registered yet in the world of snowflakes.

    The sky is not caving in, remember your history lessons from school, did you hear about the first WW1 or Spanish flu?

    Bettyboo - I understand your fear, but best you concentrate on your knitting and don’t drop a stitch.

    SA - it’s got f all to do with Brexit.

    Loytoy - love you, I have already got you an order for your new masks -
    dickturpin@gmail.com -
    go for it!

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    The thing is : it could have easily been like Italy or Spain here.

    If we didn't do much, the exponential increase would potentially kill 3 % of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    So if your Grandad was pissed and stepped into the road in front of a bus would you expect the coroner to put alcoholism down as the cause of death? The fact that someone's life style leads to or contributes to their death does not alter the fact of what killed them.
    ...

    He had a lot of medical complications such as liver failure, probably half a dozen different things such as stomach ulcers, pancreatic problems that drove his immune system down while going in and out of hospital over several months, the last three or four weeks permanently in hospital as various body organs shut down one after the other. and he eventually died of pneumonia after all the other organ failures while be kept alive artificially, that was the point...
    How do I post these pictures???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    The thing is : it could have easily been like Italy or Spain here.

    If we didn't do much, the exponential increase would potentially kill 3 % of the population.
    You guys where lucky! You guys just left your mask on from the last disaster




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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You're selling yourself short with 100m Betty. Swine flu infected 1.4bn in a year. The thing is that once Europe and SE Asia is over it and a vaccine becomes available the situation will return to normal. The US has lost a few friends over its recent tactics and is going to suffer for it. Unfortunately, third world countries won't count much and stats will be largely unavailable or ignored.
    Europe and SE Asia won't get 'over it', very few places will manage to contain it. When a vaccine comes, everything will get better, not before. Or, if the vaccine takes a long time to come the virus will make it's way through a significant % of the world's population and likely overwhelm health services all over the world - we are still in the early period of this virus. It has been 4 months or so.

    The US won't change and hasn't lost any friends. China isn't gonna loose production. Capitalism and cronyism will just continue as before because greed, the core motivator, is still dominant in neo-liberal globalisation. When the virus is over, no lessons will be learnt, nobody will suddenly be in a position to make the US 'suffer' due to its behaviour, and no corporate bosses are gonna close their Chinese factories and bring them back to US/UK/Europe/Wherever - it will be business as before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    The thing is : it could have easily been like Italy or Spain here.

    If we didn't do much, the exponential increase would potentially kill 3 % of the population.
    probably more like 0.5% is $213 billion worth it?

    the UK puts a value on life of 30k pa of quality life - do the sums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The US won't change and hasn't lost any friends. China isn't gonna loose production. Capitalism and cronyism will just continue as before because greed, the core motivator, is still dominant in neo-liberal globalisation. When the virus is over, no lessons will be learnt, nobody will suddenly be in a position to make the US 'suffer' due to its behaviour, and no corporate bosses are gonna close their Chinese factories and bring them back to US/UK/Europe/Wherever - it will be business as before...
    Good you are finally getting it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Europe and SE Asia won't get 'over it', very few places will manage to contain it. When a vaccine comes, everything will get better, not before. Or, if the vaccine takes a long time to come the virus will make it's way through a significant % of the world's population and likely overwhelm health services all over the world - we are still in the early period of this virus. It has been 4 months or so.

    The US won't change and hasn't lost any friends. China isn't gonna loose production. Capitalism and cronyism will just continue as before because greed, the core motivator, is still dominant in neo-liberal globalisation. When the virus is over, no lessons will be learnt, nobody will suddenly be in a position to make the US 'suffer' due to its behaviour, and no corporate bosses are gonna close their Chinese factories and bring them back to US/UK/Europe/Wherever - it will be business as before...

    Vaccine will be Made in Germany!
    You can thank me later.
    Going out to have a beer now. Lovely Corona weather here right now. I can get used to this.
    Stay safe.

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    CDC begins blood tests to find undetected coronavirus cases

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has begun preliminary studies to try to determine how many Americans have already been infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, an agency official revealed Saturday. On Friday, the agency said nearly 240,000 people in the country have been infected with the virus and nearly 5,500 have died.


    Joe Bresee, deputy incident manager for the CDC’s pandemic response, said the agency hopes to flesh out the portion of cases that have evaded detection using three related studies.


    The first, which has already begun, will be looking at blood samples from people never diagnosed as a case in some of the nation’s Covid-19 hot spots, to see how widely the virus circulated. Later, a national survey, using samples from different parts of the country, will be conducted. A third will look at special populations — health care workers are a top priority — to see how widely the virus has spread within them. Bresee said the CDC hopes to start the national survey in the summer; he gave no timeline for the health workers study.

    MORE. CDC begins studies for more precise count of undetected Covid-19 cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The rich need to help. Tax the shit out of them.
    HtG suggests a "Covid-19 Tax"
    What's wrong with the Corona Bonds suggested by the Italians; otherwise known as 'The South spends, the North pays.'

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    there is a school of thought, being researched at the moment, that thinks that those populations that have mandatory TB innoculations have developed some kind of half immunity to a variety of respiratory ailments, including coronovirus.

    the usa and european countries eradicated TB about 30 years ago and stopped the innoculations, whilst asian countries still innoculate.

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

    Nations with Mandatory TB Vaccines Show Fewer Coronavirus Deaths
    New study finds a correlation, but clinical trials are still in progress


    By Akshat Rathi
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    Countries with mandatory policies to vaccinate against tuberculosis register fewer coronavirus deaths than countries that don’t have those policies, a new study has found.

    The preliminary study posted on medRxiv, a site for unpublished medical research, finds a correlation between countries that require citizens to get the bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine and those showing fewer number of confirmed cases and deaths from Covid-19. Though only a correlation, clinicians in at least six countries are running trials that involve giving frontline health workers and elderly people the BCG vaccine to see whether it can indeed provide some level of protection against the new coronavirus.

    Gonzalo Otazu, assistant professor at the New York Institute of Technology and lead author of the study, started working on the analysis after noticing the low number of cases in Japan. The country had reported some of the earliest confirmed cases of coronavirus outside of China and it hadn’t instituted lockdown measures like so many other countries have done.

    Otazu said he knew about studies showing the BCG vaccine provided protection against not just tuberculosis bacteria but also other types of contagions. So his team put together the data on what countries had universal BCG vaccine policies and when they were put in place. They then compared the number of confirmed cases and deaths from Covid-19 to find a strong correlation.


    Among high-income countries showing large number of Covid-19 cases, the U.S. and Italy recommend BCG vaccines but only for people who might be at risk, whereas Germany, Spain, France and the U.K. used to have BCG vaccine policies but ended them years to decades ago. China, where the pandemic began, has a BCG vaccine policy but it wasn’t adhered to very well before 1976, Otazu said. Countries including Japan and South Korea, which have managed to control the disease, have universal BCG vaccine policies. Data on confirmed cases from low-income countries was considered not reliable enough to make a strong judgment.


    Caution Urged

    With nearly 900,000 cases and 45,000 deaths, the world is struggling to control Covid-19. Any vaccine for the disease is more than a year away from being available and the effectiveness of drugs under trial won’t be known for months to come. That’s why it’s reasonable to look at whether BCG vaccine could provide protection against Covid-19, said Eleanor Fish, professor at the University of Toronto’s immunology department. Otazu’s study is yet to undergo review by peers, a strict criteria for science studies.

    “I would read the results of the study with incredible caution,” Fish said.

    Otazu, who said he’s already received comments from other experts, is working on a second version of his study that will address some of their concerns. He has also submitted the study for a formal review process with the journal Frontiers in Public Health.

    ‘It’s like the BCG vaccine creates bookmarks for the immune system to use later’

    One of the first to conduct the trial of BCG vaccine’s effectiveness against coronavirus is Mihai Netea, an infectious-disease expert at Radboud Universty Medical Center in the Netherlands. Netea’s team has already enrolled 400 health workers in the trial—200 got the BCG vaccine and 200 received a placebo. He doesn’t expect to see any results for at least two months. He’s also about to start a separate trial to study the effectiveness of the BCG vaccine on those older than 60. Other trials are taking place in Australia, Denmark, Germany, the U.K. and the U.S.

    Scientists are still working to better understand why the BCG vaccine may be effective against not just tuberculosis but other disease microbes. Netea’s decade-long work shows that BCG vaccine sensitizes the immune system in such a way that, whenever any pathogen that relies on the same attack strategy as the tuberculosis bacteria attacks, it is ready to respond in a better way than the immune system of those who haven’t received the vaccine.

    “It’s like the BCG vaccine creates bookmarks for the immune system to use later in life,” Netea said.

    Even if BCG vaccine is shown to be effective, that’s no reason to stockpile.

    “People should not hoard or try to get BCG vaccine like they did toilet paper,” Otazu said. There is a small chance that the BCG vaccine could increase the risk of coronavirus, but scientists won’t know until after the clinical trials.

    In any case, the BCG vaccine shouldn’t be the only tool to fight Covid-19.

    “No country in the world has managed to control the disease just because the population was protected by BCG,” Otazu said. Social distancing, testing and isolating cases will need to be implemented to manage the spread of the disease.

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    No doubt there's more to it than this, but if the EU issues bonds its members would be individually and collectively responsible to service them; I don't think the wealthy members would be prepared to guarantee yuge amounts knowing that the poorer members are unlikely to meet their end, much like you signing off the house as guarantor for a serial stiff.

    That said, I read somewhere that the thief currently heading the ECB is under pressure to reconsider her earlier rejection of the proposal.

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    The US (Pop: 327 million) has more new cases today than the whole of the EU (Pop: 512 million).

    Magnificent stewardship from the bald orange wanker.

    So much winning!

    Where is repeater, shitting himself wondering why he backed the wrong horse I fancy.

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    I've only come back for SeekingAss , is he still among us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    I've only come back for SeekingAss , is he still among us?
    You mean ... https://teakdoor.com/members/seekingasylum.html ?

    Posted on the previous page ... https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-as...ml#post4084251 (The COVID-2019 Thread)

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    Boris has been taken to Hospital .

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    ^ That’s just been reported on CNN. They say he is in overnight for additional testing because after 10 days he wasn’t getting better.

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    Young, fit people with no 'underlying conditions' are getting very sick and some are dying.

    People who think they are immune are seriously deluded.

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