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    Just over 24 hours before New Zealand is due to enter full lockdown, 40 new cases of coronavirus have been confirmed, bring the country’s total to 155.


    Four of the cases were confirmed as contracted through community transmission and six people were in hospital, but none in intensive care, said the director general of health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield.


    The increase in cases came as New Zealand prepared to enter a month-long lockdown and panic buying occurred across the country. Following the prime minister’s announcement on Monday New Zealanders bought enough food to feed 10 million people, the Countdown supermarket said, despite being a nation of fewer than 5 million.


    Police were called in to break up fights at supermarkets, despite the prime minister repeatedly calling for “kindness” and calm. Long lines formed outside gun and hunting shops, with some New Zealanders – even in urban areas – appearing to stockpile weapons and ammunition.




    New Zealand: coronavirus cases rise nearly 50% in one day as lockdown nears | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Police were called in to break up fights at supermarkets,
    Yea, lovely. We hear sires quite often now . . . and we live in a secluded part of the inner city area.

    My wife went to the chemist to pick up some shampoo . . . a woman near her sneezed without covering her mouth so my wife asked her if she'd please cover her moth with the crook of her elbow or similar.

    The crone replied: "you people brought this virus to NZ, don't tell me what to do" . . . to which a Maori guy, who was close by, told the crone to be civil and get some manners. Crone just walked out.

    Lovely . . . so, the people who think Trump is right in calling it the Chinese virus and not-so-cleverly disguising his pandering to the lowest common denominators . . . ye, good on ya. Asians being assaulted, knifed, attacked etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    FDA will allow doctors to treat critically ill coronavirus patients with blood from survivors


    FDA will allow doctors to treat critically ill coronavirus patients with blood from survivors

    The reason?

    The state's health department planned to begin treating the sickest coronavirus patients with antibody-rich plasma extracted from the blood of those who've recovered


    The method — essentially harvesting virus-fighting antibodies from the blood of previously infected patients
    Hopefully Boo and Prancer will keep their "science" to themselves from now on.
    Why don't you think about what you've just posted for a second, it isn't hard...

    Why would this be necessary? Why might it help? What might other patients, just like the native populations of the Americas when the Europeans turned up with their common cold..., lack?

    The human body does not maintain antibodies to fight every eventuality, that'd be impossible, instead it simple works in context of its experience (and genetic experience). That's why the types of viruses that mutate from animals are particularly dangerous - the human body does not have a history of them and thus may not be able to defend itself. But, the body is smart, and some folks do manage to change their existing antibodies to a new type that fights the new virus; these new antibodies are very useful for science (hint: the same person, i.e. anybody who hasn't had the virus yet..., would not have these antibodies before they had the new virus, so doctors/scientists would not be interested in their blood - are you starting to work it out, yet?)

    Thank you for posting an article that supports this point...
    Last edited by Bettyboo; 25-03-2020 at 10:44 AM.
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    Why would this be necessary?
    Antibodies
    Why might it help?
    Antibodies
    What might other patients..., lack?
    Antibodies

    If it helps, I'm all for it.

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    Our Dear Leader showing how it's done:

    The COVID-2019 Thread-mask-sorrow-jpg

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    I'm actually quite surprised that Battyboob and his small constituency of scientific pygmies can show their faces again after spouting their utter twaddle that the body could not produce antibodies to the COVID-19 virus.

    Particularly when the UK government has purchased 3.5 million antibodies testing kits.

    I think it's a procedure using the cELISA E protocol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    So, these antibodies that you say our immune systems will make - what plan will they come off? The human body has never seen this virus before hence our immune systems don't have the blueprint to make any antibodies to fight it - that's the whole point you utter imbecile...

    I re-post his utter gibberish if only to remind him of it.


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    You are so dumb, Mr Sausage...

    Why did so many native Americans die when the Europeans turned up? It's quite well known history, and I'll give you a clue: it's about lack of immunity to new viruses...

    Edit to add another clue for the clueless: why aren't the FDA/other healthcare institutions just taking blood/plasma/antibodies from random young healthy people? Why do they take it specifically from people who have recovered from the virus???

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    ^The gift of Smallpox blankets was probably the start of biological warfare.

    Amherst and Smallpox

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    genticles is just shouting loudly again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    You are so dumb, Mr Sausage...

    Why did so many native Americans die when the Europeans turned up? It's quite well known history, and I'll give you a clue: it's about lack of immunity to new viruses...

    Edit to add another clue for the clueless: why aren't the FDA/other healthcare institutions just taking blood/plasma/antibodies from random young healthy people? Why do they take it specifically from people who have recovered from the virus???
    Um because contrary to what you said the body does make antibodies to the disease. (hence people recovering ).
    It's too new for the body to have immunity but apparently it will develop.
    Be interesting to see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Why don't you think about what you've just posted for a second, it isn't hard...

    Why would this be necessary? Why might it help? What might other patients, just like the native populations of the Americas when the Europeans turned up with their common cold..., lack?

    The human body does not maintain antibodies to fight every eventuality, that'd be impossible, instead it simple works in context of its experience (and genetic experience). That's why the types of viruses that mutate from animals are particularly dangerous - the human body does not have a history of them and thus may not be able to defend itself. But, the body is smart, and some folks do manage to change their existing antibodies to a new type that fights the new virus; these new antibodies are very useful for science (hint: the same person, i.e. anybody who hasn't had the virus yet..., would not have these antibodies before they had the new virus, so doctors/scientists would not be interested in their blood - are you starting to work it out, yet?)

    Thank you for posting an article that supports this point...
    Boo, you are very, very ignorant on this. The body does not maintain antibodies as you state, what you miss is that you raise them to a particular pathogen when you come across it. The human body has a HUGE potential to make different antibodies - something like 10power11 - that is on the order of one hundred billion potential antibodies.

    The plasma transfusion works to give time for the body to generate its own response - which it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    You are so dumb, Mr Sausage...

    Why did so many native Americans die when the Europeans turned up? It's quite well known history, and I'll give you a clue: it's about lack of immunity to new viruses...

    Edit to add another clue for the clueless: why aren't the FDA/other healthcare institutions just taking blood/plasma/antibodies from random young healthy people? Why do they take it specifically from people who have recovered from the virus???
    Boo, you are an ignorant boor. You are just completely wrong on all of this.

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    Gosh, Boob, you still don't get it, do you?

    The body's immune system fights infection by producing antibodies through marshalling its army of lymphocytes and leukocytes. Period. Immunity is not necessarily or automatically conferred, nor is victory assured. People die or they live, it all depends if they have functioning immune systems and treatments are available.

    You idiots.

    But the point here is, Battyboob and others have clearly and unambiguously stated in their profound ignorance and stupidity that the human body cannot produce antibodies in its fight against COVID-19 infection, an assertion that is demonstrably disproved on so many levels.

    Their imbecility would be truly frightening if it were contagious rather than being merely prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    genticles is just shouting loudly again

    But you intellectually stunted are deaf to it, and seemingly shall remain so.

    No surprise there.

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    "Guidelines"...

    The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) would like to inform international and domestic tourists of the second announcement on the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) prevention measures by the Department of Rail Transport, Ministry of Transport.

    The guidelines cover both commuters and operators of rail transport in Thailand; namely, the State Railway of Thailand, Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRT Subway), Airport Rail Link, Bangkok Mass Transit System (BTS Skytrain), and Bangkok Expressway and Metro (BEM).

    Effective as of 25 March, 2020, the guidelines include:


    Wearing a mask – Commuters should wear surgery or cloth masks when inside the trains and in the stations.


    Social distancing – The operators should take appropriate action to ensure that all commuters maintain a distance of at least two metres from each other.


    Protecting staff – The operators should heighten health measures among staff to protect themselves, as they are working with large crowds.


    Be prepared – The operators should prepare appropriate areas to distribute surgery or cloth marks to ensure that all commuters wear masks at all times when commuting in the rail transport systems.


    Extra screening – The operators should increase screening points to screen all passengers’ body temperature using handheld thermometers before entering the stations.


    In addition, the operators should inform commuters to prepare extra travelling time due to the extra screening. Any commuters with a body temperature of 37.5 degrees Celsius or higher, or those who do not cooperate with the screening should not be allowed to enter the rail transport systems and will be referred to the Ministry of Public Health for further appropriate measures.


    Please be advised that the announcement by the Department of Rail Transport, Ministry of Transport may change at any time in accordance with the developing situation.


    TAT is constantly providing updates on the tourism-related COVID-19 situation in Thailand at the TAT Newsroom. Travellers can also keep up-to-date with the COVID-19 situation in Thailand at Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19).


    For additional information and assistance relating to Thailand’s tourism, contact the TAT Contact Centre 1672 or Tourist Police 1155.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    he operators should take appropriate action to ensure that all commuters maintain a distance of at least two metres from each other.


    Three people per carriage maybe?

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    Given that the upper range of body temperature for those in the 11 - 65 age group is 37.6 to 37.8 depending on location of the reading, it seems a significant few may well be commuting by taxi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Boo, you are very, very ignorant on this. The body does not maintain antibodies as you state, what you miss is that you raise them to a particular pathogen when you come across it. The human body has a HUGE potential to make different antibodies - something like 10power11 - that is on the order of one hundred billion potential antibodies.

    The plasma transfusion works to give time for the body to generate its own response - which it will.
    As has been stated repeatedly, the body has a store of relevant genetic codes it can go to and produce the antibodies it needs (one form of various immune system defences). But, if it has never seen this virus before it can only produce something similar then try to adapt it. Yes, the body has massive potential, but new viruses are, errm, NEW, and ones that mutate from animals are less likely to have been encountered (or anything similar) before, and if that virus is aggressive causing massive bodily harm then new solutions won't be made in time to save the body...

    Try to think why are the FDA/other only looking at the blood of survivors??? The answer is there for you if you look...

    Another 100% failsafe for you is this: you are agreeing with Cyrille and Mr Sausage - no other members have been consistently wrong on every topic, always, including this one...

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    I know it won't stop the trolling of the morons, but here it is laid out plain and simple exactly as I've been stating:

    How the coronavirus tricks cells into a full-body invasion — Quartz



    ^ look at the third paragraph particularly. Folks who have recovered from the virus have had a chance to learn what the virus looks like hence why the FDA and others are interested in their blood to find out answers, look for treatments and potential vaccines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    As has been stated repeatedly, the body has a store of relevant genetic codes it can go to and produce the antibodies it needs (one form of various immune system defences). But, if it has never seen this virus before it can only produce something similar then try to adapt it. ..
    No. No. No. No. No. No. That is not how it works AT ALL.


    Boo, you are wrong. Simply, utterly and monumentally.

    You are an arrogant idiot.

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    The 2009 H1N1 epidemic didn't affect older people as much as younger ones because they had already seen a similar virus and could create antibodies to kill the virus quickly.

    This virus is the reverse in that the younger generation have not seen the virus and are able to create effective antibodies to it quickly. Many older people that have seen something similar are getting it wrong and failing to kill this virus off efficiently.

    There's a lot more to it than your simple hypothesis Betty....

    ...I think that is what others are trying to tell you.

    Meanwhile, the figures from Italy suggest it is slowing down at last. Still a long way to go but at least the measures appear to be working. Countries such as Germany applied the same measures pretty quickly after Italy and may get the benefit of a week. The UK and the USA were late and may not see that benefit...but it is still early days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post

    There's a lot more to it than your simple hypothesis Betty....

    ...I think that is what others are trying to tell you.
    No and yes.

    It goes back to a simple and correct statement that Baldrick made that strangely some others disagreed with.

    As far as making the argument simple, well yes, because it's a general forum and none of us are genetic experts. The fundamental simplicity is the fact this mutated from animals and is novel means that our immune systems simple try their variety of defences, but cannot go with their best possible plan - an effective antigen that knows to lock onto and fits to a specific virus (as the flu vaccines give us the ability to do with new flu strains...).

    The link that I gave above is simple to read and states exactly the point I have been making repeatedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Our Dear Leader showing how it's done:
    This clown, Trump and BoJo . . . oh, and that Brazilian halfwit. What went wrong . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    but cannot go with their best possible plan - an effective antigen that knows to lock onto and fits to a specific virus (as the flu vaccines give us the ability to do with new flu strains...).

    .
    make an effective antigen that locks onto the virus?

    You dumbarse.

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