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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders what the treatments was.
    Probably just the individual's immune system, I'd think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Katie, why aren't people freaking out about the spread and number of deaths due to the flu? People really need to calm down.

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    Can't be too careful I suppose.
    ^lol re: the pic

    Re: nCoV, I think people in PI are scared because we know that our public health systems are not good. There are lots of poor ppl, living in slums, congested cities like Metro Manila or Metro Cebu, stc. Not to mention the recent Taal Volcano eruption, which affected South Luzon. Many ppl affected by the volcano are still in evacuation centers, especially those who live on Volcano island and in the 7-km radius. There's a lack of supply of masks, both for surgical & N95. The surgical masks weren't enough protection against volcano ash. People are stressed due to the volcano. There are still relief efforts/ food & in-kind donations for the victims. Many ppl lost their homes & livelihood. I have heard many heartbreaking stories of lost homes & businesses, since I live near the area and have joined a relief/food-giving effort.

    Then add in the threat of the nCoV, when we know our lack of facilities & equipment to handle it on a large scale. If tbere was to be an infection in a slum area or evacuation center - it would soread like wildfire. Then add in the presence of the Chinese workers & tourists - whom we can't control the behavior. Sigh...

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    The UK government has announced plans to fly hundreds of British citizens back from Wuhan, the epicentre of the 2019-nCOV outbreak, and to quarantine them for two weeks. The move comes after British Airways suspended all flights to and from mainland China until at least 31 January. Other countries, including Australia, Japan, and the United States have also started to repatriate citizens.

    Scientists at the University of Hong Kong have estimated that the likely extent of infections in the city of Wuhan is close to 44 000, based on the number of confirmed cases as of 25 January and what is known about the virus’s transmissibility. “The curves have a very steep exponential shape, indicating that this epidemic is growing at quite a fast rate, and it’s accelerating,” said Gabriel Leung, dean of the Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at the University of Hong Kong and one of the researchers, speaking at a press conference on 27 January.

    The University of Hong Kong team used a basic reproductive number—the average number of secondary infections—of 2.13. “This would give us a doubling time of just shy of one week. Every six days, the epidemic case count can be expected to double in the absence of any public health interventions,” said Leung.

    The Chinese government suspended all transport links with the city of 11 million people and blocked the roads out of the city on 23 January, effectively putting a cordon sanitaire in place around Wuhan. In the following days it extended the quarantined zone to 15 neighbouring cities, covering a population of approximately 50 million, the Washington Post reported. By then, however, an estimated five million people had already left the city, mayor Zhou Xianwang said on 26 January, fanning out across the country ahead of Chinese New Year.

    The modelling used by the University of Hong Kong team showed that the lockdown would probably do little to change the course of the epidemic in China. The forecast of expected infections, with or without the quarantine measures, was almost identical, which “suggests that this population quarantine may not be able to substantially change the course of this epidemic in the other major city clusters,” said Leung. “If we want to change the course of those epidemic curves, then we are looking at substantial, draconian measures limiting population mobility that should be taken sooner rather than later.”

    https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m351

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    And the Thai are still letting the fuckers arrive in their fucking droves as they try to escape China. Truly the dumbest.......

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    Sausages, get yourself down Lotus and load up with trolleys, barricade yourself in the flat.


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    Provinces on high alert preventing coronavirus spread

    BANGKOK(NNT) - Thailand is at maximum alert level to prevent the spread of novel coronavirus in the country.


    All provinces are now following disease control protocols, especially at border crossings where many Chinese visitors continue to arrive, such as at the Thailand-Laos Friendship Bridge in Nong Khai. Meanwhile, the authorities in Phuket are ready to screen some 6,000 passengers onboard a cruise ship docking off Pathong beach.


    Vachira Phuket Hospital Director Chalermpong Sukontapol has revealed the latest update on novel coronavirus surveillance in Phuket province, saying that there have been 19 suspected cases since 5th January, with 12 testing negative and being discharged from the hospital, and seven now waiting for test results. The seven patients are now receiving treatment in hospitals in the province.
    Phuket province will be receiving an influx of visitors today and tomorrow as two large cruise ships are calling on the island. The first cruise ship is bringing in 2,000 passengers today, while the second ship will have 4,000 passengers onboard. These passengers will be subjected to strict health screening procedures, exactly as conducted at Phuket International Airport.


    In the northeastern Nong Bua Lamphu province, the provincial public health official said today that one patient had suspected symptoms, and is now isolated in a negative pressure chamber at Non Sang hospital.


    The patient is a postgraduate student who travelled from Wuhan, China. Confirmation tests to see whether this patient is actually infected with novel coronavirus will take three days, while two persons in close contact with him have been diagnosed with influenza A, and have been treated accordingly.


    In Nong Khai province bordering Laos, Provincial Governor Ronnachai Chitwiset has observed health control operations at the first Thailand-Laos Friendship Bridge in the province’s city district, and at nearby provincial health control office.


    Here, officials have stepped up the health screening protocols, installing thermal cameras to scan the body temperature of Chinese nationals passing through the border into Thailand, most of whom are travelling in a group tour. There have been no other travellers from Wuhan passing through the border at the Thailand-Laos Friendship Bridge in recent days.

    http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/de...00129160701594

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    And the Thai are still letting the fuckers arrive in their fucking droves as they try to escape China. Truly the dumbest.......
    Three potential reasons for continued Chinese incoming are money, money and money. While I wouldn't accept any figures spewed by our gov in the who spends what debate, the Chinese do have money and they don't mind spending it, maybe not in bars and agogos but in property, investments, and day to day recreation, shopping and restaurants; fex go to Poo Pen or any of the large Chinese/seafood restaurants some evening and you'll see families take up entire sections of the place gorging on 6-8 lobsters per table.

    Anyone remember SARS? Another Chinese output for the world to deal with, and coronavirus has already overtaken SARS infections with no end in sight, while it closes in on fatalities with a single oversight radically spiking those figures. Meanwhile, SARS was supposed to be a wake-up call about chomping on wildlife as food, though this latest epidemic indicates that nothing or little was done to curb the practice which remains widespread.

    Once this is over, and it will be, imvho every infected country should invoice China for their direct and indirect expenses, losses and inconvenience, with a chunk extra to remind them that they are part of a big world that suffers whenever they cock up; and ftm every uninfected country that suffered losses by locking down. Another thing that won't happen, and a few years later they'll release some other lethal virus.

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    Would anyone actually limit international travel themselves? I am still quite keen to get outta here for the Mongolian New Year and get some sun and heat. Only a week off, so Jomtien and BKK will have to do, which is better than no beach break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Would anyone actually limit international travel themselves?
    Not unless I had previous travel plans to go to China.

    Though if already having been to Bkk and Jomtien more than a few times, I'd probably head for Bali or another SEA beach instead.

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    Thai Airways crew disinfect the cabin of an aircraft at Bangkok Airport



    A pilot in full protective gear parks an aircraft - not a BA plane - at Wuhan airport


    Britons returning from Wuhan to be quarantined for two weeks


    Wuhan is the epicentre of the virus and is under lockdown, prompting countries including Britain to launch evacuation plans.

    Britons who are due to be flown back to the UK from the Chinese city of Wuhan and province of Hubei over coronavirus fears will be quarantined for two weeks.


    About 200 British nationals are expected to board a chartered flight from Wuhan - the epicentre of the outbreak.


    The plane had been set to take off on Thursday but the Foreign Office has indicated that will now not happen as several countries' flights have been unable to take off.
    It is understood the UK passengers will have to sign up to a 14-day period of isolation and whatever treatment is recommended by experts.


    Coronavirus: Britons returning from Wuhan to be quarantined for two weeks | World News | Sky News



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    I wouldn't travel through Incheon (or any Korean airport) unless absolutely necessary.

    This is gonna get a lot lot worse very quickly. 30 days later...

    The infection is well beyond Wuhan, it will be totally China-wide within days, imho (I'm talking about huge numbers of cases everywhere, not a few cases everywhere).
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    Report: Outbreak of idiocy spreading 10,000 times faster than coronavirus - The Beaverton



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    TORONTO – Public health officials in Toronto have confirmed its first 50,000 cases of being a misinformed fuckwit as xenophobic conspiracy theories and tales of false cures continue to spread across social media.


    “Becoming a complete moron during an infectious disease outbreak is far more viral than we first thought,” said Dr. Jeanne Smith of Toronto Public Health. “Fact resistance is abnormally high especially among the dullard population, and the bottom 5% of your graduating high school class.”


    Tens of thousands of people were affected by a novel fake news claim that the Chinese government was developing coronavirus at Canada’s National Microbiology Lab leaving at least 10,000 people stupider.
    Patients are usually asymptomatic until they open their mouths or start tweeting.


    Aunts spreading rumours about 100% natural cures for the virus on Facebook have been quarantined while racist uncles at dinner tables were ball-gagged as a precaution.


    “Our epidemiologists are working hard to identify idiot zero, but there might be more sporadic outbreaks of coronavirus-related imbecility,” added Dr. Smith.


    Meanwhile, health officials are dreading teaching the population a complicated prevention technique: washing your hands.



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    During cold and flu season, we're inundated with messages to wash our hands frequently. But to avoid getting sick, it's also important that we stop touching our noses and mouths all the time, a new study shows.

    Every time people touch their mouth or nose, they transfer bacteria and viruses between their face and their hand. This "self-inoculation," or transfer of germs from one body part to another, is a primary way that germs wind up spreading from contaminated surfaces to people's faces, and from sick people to often-touched surfaces.

    "There are many opportunities in between hand-washing episodes for people to re-contaminate their hands," said study researcher Dr. Wladimir Alonso, a global health researcher at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md.


    Alonso and colleagues randomly selected 249
    people in public places, on the Washington, D.C. subway and in the Brazilian city of Florianopolis. The researchers observed them, noting how often they touched a common surface and then their mouth or nose. They found that people touched their faces an average of 3.6 times per hour, and common objects an average of 3.3 times per hour.

    This rate of self-touching means that people likely get germs on their hands much more frequently than they wash germs off their hands, according to the study.

    "It is important to understand the basic mechanisms through which diseases are transmitted to take full advantage," of hand-washing, Alonso said.


    Recommendations issued to the public typically emphasize hand-washing, but during potentially severe disease outbreaks, the messages should be shifted to ensure that people understand how self-inoculation occurs, and
    avoid touching their faces, the researchers said in their study.


    "If a deadly respiratory virus is around, this is something to really take into account," Alonso said, pointing to the
    2009 flu pandemic as one example of a situation where knowledge of self-inoculation could limit the spread of disease.


    Alonso said that knowing how often self-inoculation happens should not turn people into hypochondriacs, or toward a life of discomfort and constant state of alert. The immune system offers good protection against diseases.


    "But it is also important to be aware that re-contamination can occur very quickly after we wash our hands," he said.


    The findings were published Nov. 15 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.


    Pass it on: Touching your mouth or nose can spread the flu.

    https://www.livescience.com/25086-stop-touching-yourself-flu-researchers-say.html

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    Decided not to chance Mongolia stopping flights and not being able to go or getting stuck in Thailand.
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    Pretty big bucks for that joint, hope you have a good time mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I think we need to get some perspective here. A few people die from this coronavirus and everyone goes crazy, literally tens of thousands die every year from the flu and it's ho hum business as usual.

    There is a big difference.

    1) antivirals do not work with this flu
    2) There is no Vaccine

    I also suspect that this flu heads very quickly to pneumonia

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    Coronavirus: China accused of “secretly burning bodies”


    Global health officials, returning from a visit to Beijing, have expressed serious concern over the spread of a dangerous new virus among people outside of China as the number of diseases continues to grow steadily spectacular inside this Asian country.

    The new virus has now infected more people in China than in the 2002-2003 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) outbreak. On Wednesday, the number of cases increased to 5,974, exceeding the 5,327 people diagnosed with SARS.

    The death toll, which was 132 on Wednesday, is lower than the 348 people who died in China from SARS.
    Doubts have, however, been raised about the official death toll, and the Chinese authorities have reportedly cremated bodies.
    Chinese media Initium interviewed people working in local cremation centers in Wuhan, who said the bodies were sent directly from hospitals without being properly identified and added to the official file.

    In addition, one thing that #China is hiding is the number of deaths caused by the virus. Credible Chinese media @initiumnews interviewed people working in local cremation centers, confirming that many corpses were sent directly from hospitals to the cremation centers …
    – William Yang (@ WilliamYang120) January 29, 2020

    “So there are reasons to remain skeptical about what China shares with the world because even if they are more transparent on certain things related to the virus, they continue to be sketchy and unreliable on other aspects” , said DW News correspondent in East Asia. William Yang.
    Scientists say there are still many questions to be answered about the new virus, including how easily it spreads and how serious it is.
    The World Health Organization’s emergency chief told reporters that China was taking “extraordinary measures in the face of an extraordinary challenge” posed by the epidemic.

    Dr. Michael Ryan spoke at a press conference after returning from a trip to Beijing to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping and other senior government officials.
    He said the epidemic was still centered in Wuhan city and Hubei province, but “the information is updated and changes from hour to hour.”
    Chinese and Hong Kong residents wear masks to help prevent the deadly coronavirus. Photo / AP
    Dr Ryan said the few cases of human-to-human spread outside of China – in Japan, Germany and Vietnam – were among the reasons why the director general of the United Nations health agency has pieced together a committee of experts to meet on Thursday.
    It will assess whether the epidemic should be declared a global emergency. To date, approximately 99% of the approximately 6,000 cases are in China.
    Dr. Ryan estimated the death rate from the new virus at 2%, but said the figure was very preliminary. With a fluctuating number of cases and deaths, scientists are only able to produce a rough estimate of the death rate, and it is likely that many milder cases of the virus are missed.

    READ MORE:
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    In comparison, the SARS virus killed about 10% of those who caught it. The new virus belongs to the coronavirus family, which includes those that can cause colds as well as more serious illnesses such as SARS and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).
    Dr Ryan noted that several aspects of the new virus epidemic were of great concern, citing the recent rapid spike in cases in China. He said that even if scientists believe the epidemic was triggered by an animal virus, it’s unclear if there are other factors behind the epidemic.
    “Without understanding this, it is very difficult to put the current transmission dynamic into context,” he said.

    Meanwhile, countries have started to evacuate their citizens from the Chinese city hardest hit by the virus.
    Charter planes carrying about 200 evacuees arrived in Japan and the United States early Wednesday morning as other countries were planning similar evacuations from the city of Wuhan, which authorities have closed to try to contain the virus.

    The first cases in the Middle East were confirmed on Wednesday, a family of four from Wuhan visiting the United Arab Emirates. Airlines around the world have announced that they will cut flights to China, and Hong Kong will suspend train travel to and from the mainland at midnight.
    The number of cases in China increased by 1,459 from the previous day, a smaller increase than the 1,771 new cases reported on Tuesday.
    Australia and Singapore were among those who reported new cases, as the number outside China exceeded 70. The vast majority were people from Wuhan.
    Four passengers on the evacuation flight to Japan had coughs and fever and two were diagnosed with pneumonia.
    It was not clear if they were infected with the new virus, which first appeared in Wuhan in December. Its symptoms, including cough and fever and in severe cases of pneumonia, are similar to many other diseases.

    Takeo Aoyama, an employee of the Nippon Steel Corp branch in Wuhan, told reporters that he was relieved to be able to go home.
    “We were feeling more and more uncomfortable as the situation was changing so quickly and we were still in the city,” said Aoyama, his voice muffled by a white surgical mask.

    Medical personnel wearing protective clothing arrive with a patient at the Wuhan Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan on January 25. Photo / Getty
    An American plane from the Chinese city at the center of the epidemic arrived in California after a supply stop in Alaska. The 201 passengers, including diplomats from the US consulate in Wuhan, underwent health tests in China and Anchorage.

    Australia, New Zealand and Britain were among the last countries to announce plans for evacuations.

    British Health Secretary Matt Hancock tweeted that “anyone who returns from Wuhan will be safely isolated for 14 days, with all necessary medical care”.
    These measures are a step forward from those of the devastating ebola epidemic of 2014-2016, when travelers returning from West Africa were asked to monitor themselves for symptoms.

    Mark Woolhouse, professor of epidemiology of infectious diseases at the University of Edinburgh, said the measures were justified to prevent the introduction of the virus and its spread.

    “There is always a balance between draconian public health measures and what people might want to do, and it is obviously unfortunate that people who turn out not to have the virus are put under unnecessary quarantine,” -he declares.

    The epidemic has affected international sporting events. The International Hockey Federation has postponed the Pro League matches in China and the football, basketball and boxing qualification matches for the Tokyo Olympics in February have been moved outside the country.

    In the Chinese province of Hubei, 17 cities including Wuhan have been locked, trapping more than 50 million people in the most ambitious disease control measures ever imposed.

    Sara Platto, an Italian animal behavior researcher and veterinarian, said 25 Italians stranded in Wuhan remained online for material and emotional support.
    “My son was 12 years old on January 23, the first day of solitary confinement in Wuhan. So he couldn’t invite his friends. We had a remote birthday party, with people visiting him on WeChat, “said Platto, referring to a Chinese messaging app. “We called it the anniversary of the epidemic.”
    The source of the new virus and the full extent of its spread are still unknown. However, the World Health Organization has said that most of the cases reported to date “are milder, with about 20% of those infected being seriously ill”.

    Scientists expect that many crucial questions about the behavior of the virus will be answered in the coming weeks as the epidemic evolves and it becomes clearer how people are infected.

    Although the Chinese Minister of Health and others have suggested that the virus spreads before people show symptoms, data to confirm that it has not yet been widely disseminated beyond China.

    “It remains unclear whether this is happening,” said Malik Peiris, chair of virology at the University of Hong Kong.
    If so, this could explain why China has already exceeded the number of SARS cases.

    “The chance of SARS, if there was anything happy, was that the transmission did not happen before the symptoms,” he said.
    Peiris said that if it turns out that the new coronavirus can actually be spread by people who have no symptoms, “a pandemic is a scenario we need to consider”.

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    Would not surprise me in the least if the Chinks are playing down the size and lethality of the virus, they have previous on this type of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    There is a big difference.

    1) antivirals do not work with this flu
    2) There is no Vaccine

    I also suspect that this flu heads very quickly to pneumonia
    Most important is the psychological effect. The flu has been around for over 1500 year, we have practically learned to live with it. A bit like AIDS or cancer.
    Hollywood has also rightfully warned us and told us its just a matter of time.
    And lets not forget that this virus is most likely adaptable. Meaning even if we find a vaccine it might not work for long.

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    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

    “The next four weeks to five weeks are going to be critical. It’s either going to start peaking and going on a downturn, or it’s going to explode into a global outbreak.”


    I guess that's a sensible statement.

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    You know the chinkies are lying about it. And it was that lying to start with that has let it get out of hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Pretty big bucks for that joint, hope you have a good time mate.
    I expect you can negotiate some hefty discounts right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Would not surprise me in the least if the Chinks are playing down the size and lethality of the virus, they have previous on this type of thing.
    More that doesn't surprise me is the goons at WHO praising the Chinese for their transparency and diligence. Too big to be roundly condemned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

    “The next four weeks to five weeks are going to be critical. It’s either going to start peaking and going on a downturn, or it’s going to explode into a global outbreak.”


    I guess that's a sensible statement.
    Seems logical with no effective vaccine, experts still unsure wtf it is and how to deal with it beyond standard quarantine measures which btw are close to hopeless in an era of global travel and commerce, that it will either peak and withdraw or grow exponentially.

    Would do no harm, except perhaps to priceless image, for the Chinese authorities to come clean and released whatever they have on the virus, for more serious people to find a solution. Could be the WHO goons were hoping a bit of praise might be persuasive!

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