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    Measures taken to encourage sugarcane planters to stop burning the fields

    BANGKOK (NNT) - The Department of Pollution Control has reported the burning of sugarcane in plantations to prepare for a new planting season has been a major cause of PM 2.5 airborne dust, particularly from December to April during which sugarcane in plantations is harvested. The burning activity is likely to have a severe effect in the dry season when there’s low humidity in the air.


    Industry Minister Suriya Juangroongruangkit recently discussed the matter with four organizations representing sugarcane planters: the National Federation of Sugarcane Planters; the Northeastern Sugarcane Planters Association; the United Association of Sugarcane Planters of Thailand and the Federation of Sugarcane Planters of Thailand. The Ministry of Industry plans to assist sugarcane planters by providing about 130 baht in aid for a ton of fresh sugarcane bound for sugar making factories.


    The Office of the Sugarcane and Sugar Committee, is to propose measures to provide a sum of 10 billion baht in immediate aid to sugarcane planters in the 2019/2020 season. The sum will be divided into two parts - one amounting to 6.5 billion baht for aid in sugarcane production and the other amounting to 3.5 billion baht for planters who harvest fresh sugarcane.


    The planters who have harvested fresh sugarcane and supplied it to sugar factories will be given over 1,000 baht per ton, meaning their fresh sugarcane will receive about 130 baht more than burnt sugarcane per ton. The measures are part of the effort to reduce PM 2.5 airborne dust particles and alleviate the woes of the sugarcane planters. About 50% of all sugarcane supplied to sugar factories is expected to be fresh sugarcane this year.


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    How will the financial aid prevent burning? Or is it not related at all?

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    The subsidy is for FRESH cane and not paid for BURNT cane.
    So you want the money don't burn your cane.
    Simple

    Will it work who knows?

    They need to get more people using cane harvesters so there is no need to burn.

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    Yer,

    But when ya dealing with farmers who are mainly cash poor there ain't a hope in hell they will all bolt out and buy a fookin cane harvester. ???????

    So the shit show will go indefinatly and the burning will continue until every fuker in Thailand dies of lung cancer.

    Thats how it rolls eh.

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    ^^ Thanks ootai. I missed that detail in the article.

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    Why isn't there a worldwide ban on sugarcane burning? It seems to be allowed in Australia.
    The cane is burned the night before the harvest, and farmers are permitted to start burning cane after 2pm.

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    It's allowed in Australia because 99.9 % of the time we do not have a pollution problem. Now is different of course.

    This shit house has a massive pollution problem but the monkeys keep burning.

    I don't blame them though, fukers do not have money for other alternatives mostly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Yer,

    But when ya dealing with farmers who are mainly cash poor there ain't a hope in hell they will all bolt out and buy a fookin cane harvester. ???????

    Thats how it rolls eh.

    Most of the rice farmers I know are in the same position i.e. cash poor but they pay to have their rice harvested by a harvester because this is no one to cut it by hand as in the old way.

    So if enough people that do have some money buy cane harvesters and they contract harvest things might slowly change.
    In Australia I doubt any cane is cut by hand but it all was once.

    Then you have the reasons for burning i.e. why do they do it?

    I can think of 2 reasons, snakes and getting rid of all the leaves so that doesn't end up in the mill needing to be separated from the cane.

    Another thing that I am not sure about is that unburnt cane actually yields better than burnt cane, maybe I should Google that to check?

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    Yep, they burn in Australia to rid the crop of snakes and rats.

    That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Yer,

    But when ya dealing with farmers who are mainly cash poor there ain't a hope in hell they will all bolt out and buy a fookin cane harvester. ???????
    First you would have to have a flat field before you can run a harvestor. Even lawns in Thailand are rarely flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    First you would have to have a flat field before you can run a harvestor.
    I don't think that's the case in Thailand with the sugar harvestors I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    Another thing that I am not sure about is that unburnt cane actually yields better than burnt cane, maybe I should Google that to check?
    Save you looking.

    There is no real loss or gain in yield, but there is a slight increase in the PRS (Percentage of Recoverable Sugar) which is the standard used for payment from mills.

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    Widespread sugarcane burning continues uninterrupted by local authorities

    Burning of sugarcane by farmers in several provinces is increasing airborne pollution, affecting local residents, and officials appear to be powerless or reluctant to intervene to stop the practice.

    The flouting of an order banning the practice, in effect since last year, has prompted civic groups and media organizations in Phetchabun province to protest the illegal practice which, they claim, is threatening people’s health, especially that of children, and is affecting local businesses.

    The groups, led by Mr. Pandit Pan-ngern, submitted an open letter to Phetchabun’s governor on January 14th, questioning the competency of officials to address the problem of sugarcane burning. The groups also demanded that number of sugarcane plantations in the province be reduced.

    “It is fine for someone to make a living honestly, but to make a living in a way which causes disturbance or damage to the other people amounts to a violation of human rights,” Mr. Wisan Kositanon, president of the Cultural Council of Phetchabun province, said on Facebook, adding that the people and media are also against the plan to build a third sugar mill in Huay Yai district.

    The maximum levels of PM2.5 dust in Muang and Wichien Buri districts were measured by the provincial health office at 112.67 and 126.67 microns on January 12th.

    Owners of sugarcane plantations have always claimed that they cannot afford the costs of hiring workers to cut the plants and have to resort to burning, which will make the cutting of the canes much easier and save cost. Burned canes, however, fetch lower prices because the burning process reduces the sweetness of the cane.

    Burning of sugarcane has also become widespread in Sa Kaew province and has been going on for weeks, apparently without any local agencies stepping in to stop the illegal practice.

    Mr. Kaew Nilla-or, who owns a eucalyptus plantation next to the sugarcane in Khao Chakan district of Sa Kaew, complained to Thai TBS that fire from the sugarcane plantation has destroyed 0.32 hectares of his eucalyptus. He has lodged a complaint with the local police.

    He said smoke and dust from the burning process have affected the other plants in surrounding areas and threatened people’s health, adding that he has not seen any authorities making any effort to stop the burning.



    Widespread sugarcane burning continues uninterrupted by local authorities – Thai PBS World

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    Yep and around and around we go with ever more retardness from Thai authorities.

    Never change will it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Burned canes, however, fetch lower prices because the burning process reduces the sweetness of the cane.
    That simply is not true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    There is no real loss or gain in yield, but there is a slight increase in the PRS (Percentage of Recoverable Sugar) which is the standard used for payment from mills.
    Why so many cane fields are being burned - Australian Sugar Cane Farmers Association

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    The fact that they are using the word "encourage" instead of "legislate" shows what a bunch of useless wankers they really are.

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    Bangkok is worse today .

    Fuk me, even the Soi dogs are wearing masks.

    Fookin dangerous out there but fook all will change, these dumb fuks are too retarded to make a change.

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    The end is near....

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    Farmers burning sugarcane face additional fees for milling their crop

    Sugarcane growers, who burn their crops before harvesting, will be charged 30 baht/tonne for the burnt sugarcane delivered to sugar mills, while the mills will be levied 12 baht/tonne for accepting burnt cane exceeding the set limits.


    Industry Ministry spokeswoman Ms. Suchada Taensap said today that the measure is intended to discourage sugarcane farmers from burning their crops to save labour costs.


    Widespread sugarcane burning has become the norm in many provinces during the harvest season, despite the fact that the practice is illegal and violators face heavy fines.


    The fees will be charged by the Sugarcane and Sugar Committee’s Office and paid to farmers who do not burn their crops, as an incentive to continue the practice.


    During the 2018-19 sugarcane harvest season, about 20 million tonnes, or 49.1% of all the cane that were sent to sugar mills was burnt.


    Ms. Suchada said that the Ministry of Industry has sought cooperation from the operators to reduce their production capacity and emissions to help ease the pollution, which is still affecting many provinces.


    Rock crushing operators have also been told comply with regulations to prevent the spread of dust.


    In Bangkok today, Greenpeace Thailand and several civic groups held a rally to urge the Government to address the worsening pollution quickly.


    The groups proposed that the Government reduce the 50-micron safety threshold, set by the Pollution Control Department, to the level set by World Health Organization, namely 35 microns average daily level or annual average of 12 microns.


    They also proposed that the Government issue a law to regulate the discharge of pollutants into the atmosphere by industry, vehicles and power plants.


    The army deployed 500 troops and 44 water trucks today to clean up several busy thoroughfares in the capital to help reduce airborne dust.





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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Sugarcane growers, who burn their crops before harvesting, will be charged 30 baht/tonne for the burnt sugarcane delivered to sugar mills, while the mills will be levied 12 baht/tonne for accepting burnt cane exceeding the set limits.
    Well that ain't gonna stop it. Best bet IMO is to make it illegal for mills to buy burned cane and closure of the mill if caught. Job done. 12 Baht fine for buying a ton of burned cane is a fcuking joke.
    Last edited by Pragmatic; 24-01-2020 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Widespread sugarcane burning continues uninterrupted by local authorities

    Burning of sugarcane by farmers in several provinces is increasing airborne pollution, affecting local residents, and officials appear to be powerless or reluctant to intervene to stop the practice.

    The flouting of an order banning the practice, in effect since last year, has prompted civic groups and media organizations in Phetchabun province to protest the illegal practice which, they claim, is threatening people’s health, especially that of children, and is affecting local businesses.

    The groups, led by Mr. Pandit Pan-ngern, submitted an open letter to Phetchabun’s governor on January 14th, questioning the competency of officials to address the problem of sugarcane burning. The groups also demanded that number of sugarcane plantations in the province be reduced.

    Burning of sugarcane has also become widespread in Sa Kaew province and has been going on for weeks, apparently without any local agencies stepping in to stop the illegal practice.

    He said smoke and dust from the burning process have affected the other plants in surrounding areas and threatened people’s health, adding that he has not seen any authorities making any effort to stop the burning.



    Widespread sugarcane burning continues uninterrupted by local authorities – Thai PBS World

    The bits highlighted show a big part of the problem re burning cane but it is also relevant to most other things here.
    What's the point of a "law" if it is not enforced.
    How do the big boys expect the peasants to adhere to only laws when they openly flout them?

    Drove from my place to Korat yesterday along Hwy24 and the smoky haze was apparent along the whole trip (95km).

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    The point of law here in retards ville is purely so the big Chickens can fook over the little chickens.

    That's how it rolls innit.

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