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    Govt calls on farmers to stop growing rice in off-season

    BANGKOK (NNT) - The government has called on farmers to stop growing rice in the off-season to save water for personal consumption. Three million rai of land in the Chao Phraya River basin has already been used to grow rice in the extra season, but is yet to be provided with water.


    Deputy Prime Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwon has delivered policy for the steering of the National Water Directorate, which has been following the overall water situation and introducing measures to alleviate problems. So far, 18 provinces have been declared drought-affected zones and 54 others have been declared "at risk" of lacking sufficient water for consumption and agriculture.


    Gen Prawit said there is a reduced volume of water this year, particularly in the Chao Phraya River basin where the water supply will only be sufficient for consumption, and should be used very sparingly for agriculture; plants which consume less water should be grown instead. The government has taken measures to provide enough water for the people’s consumption and ordered the drilling of more artesian wells.


    Meanwhile, the Office of National Water Resources has integrated operational plans to prevent drought in the 2019/2020 season by preparing reserves of water for consumption in areas at risk of being hit by drought. This water will be provided to hospitals and for cash crops.


    The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives and the Ministry of the Interior will take measures to contain the adverse effects of drought on rice grown in the extra season while farmers would receive compensation payments for any damage to their rice farms due to drought.


    National News Bureau Of Thailand

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    Sure that will do the trick.....

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    If the Government want the farmers to stop growing on their own land, then they are going to need to compensate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    If the Government want the farmers to stop growing on their own land, then they are going to need to compensate...
    Rice growing land is usually Sor Por Kor land and doesn't belong to an individual. It is in fact government land and can be taken back at any time the government so wishes. So no compensations is required. It's a case of do as you are told or else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    If the Government want the farmers to stop growing on their own land, then they are going to need to compensate...
    The government can't stop farmers growing rice on their own land but they can turn off the water supply to irrigation canals. That usually does the trick. But if farmers have their own water supply, it shouldn't be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    If the Government want the farmers to stop growing on their own land, then they are going to need to compensate...

    Cycles of subsidies and control are treacherous paths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    but they can turn off the water supply to irrigation canals.
    The government cannot turn off bore holes and it takes many many years for underground water sources to be replenished. Underground water sources also supply dams and reservoirs and if the government don't stop the exploitation of sub terrain water then this country will be well and truly fcuked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    The government cannot turn off bore holes and it takes many many years for underground water sources to be replenished. Underground water sources also supply dams and reservoirs and if the government don't stop the exploitation of sub terrain water then this country will be well and truly fcuked.
    You need a permit for wells, no permit and the Government can stop you taking water. Laws are there, whether they are enforced is a different question. I have a well, pump for household water, as do many in the village, no permit. The Government could come and stop everyone using well water.
    They won't, otherwise they the Government[ Orbitor] world need to fix up another water source. TIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    But if farmers have their own water supply, it shouldn't be a problem.
    We have our own water supply. Comes out of the sky once a year. Also all is Nor Sor 4 title. We be good to go. God willin'. If she's not then I will ask her nicely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    You need a permit for wells
    Sez who. Not around where I live. And who would enforce it? The police that live within the community? I don't think so. Most of the local cops are farmers in their time off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Sez who. Not around where I live. And who would enforce it? The police that live within the community? I don't think so. Most of the local cops are farmers in their time off.
    Indeed.
    No one bothers with such bureaucracy.....more commonplace - except for Mr. Collister, who seems to follow the letter of law [and all the references] regardless.

    More community self-sufficiency than surface regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Sez who. Not around where I live. And who would enforce it? The police that live within the community? I don't think so. Most of the local cops are farmers in their time off.
    As said no police where I live, border country, but the cops down the road will do as the district Governor says, transfers to Yala can be arranged.
    Cops may play the power game, but in real life they are pretty low on the ladder.

    Posted on here years ago, got stopped by a local cop, had gone to get smokes [in the car] 7/11, wallet with the wife, no licence or ID, cop followed me back to the restaurant. At the table was the vice governor, orbitor governor and the FIL Kanaman, 8 villages.

    He could have been transfer on that day to the deep south, said he was doing his job, see him now and again, sergeant now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Rice growing land is usually Sor Por Kor land and doesn't belong to an individual. It is in fact government land and can be taken back at any time the government so wishes. So no compensations is required. It's a case of do as you are told or else.
    I don't know about Sor Por Kor, but it's easy to grasp the concept that all govs ultimately have rights over their entire country. Do you mean rice land 'owners' in LoS legally own no more than an indefinite lease from the gov?

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    Sor Por Kor 4-01: This is an agricultural title deed, usually found in rural areas. It is Government land that is transferred for agricultural purposes to needy families. Residence is allowed on a portion of the land. It is difficult for a non-Thai to obtain an interest in this type of land deed.

    This cannot be transferred to another person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Do you mean rice land 'owners' in LoS legally own no more than an indefinite lease from the gov?
    You'd be hard pushed to find land in the rice paddies that is rated higher than Sor Por Kor. You cannot own Sor Por Kor land. It is only given to the people to farm and can be taken back at any time without payment of compensation as far as I'm aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    You'd be hard pushed to find land in the rice paddies that is rated higher than Sor Por Kor.
    Not at all, there's been an ongoing upgrade of title deeds since decades ago, and my missus Sor Por Kor rice paddy land was converted to Chanote some 10 years ago.
    They are doing it area by area and some years it slows down and other years it speeds up, prolly coming to an area near you real soon now..
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    The problem is a fundamental one in that the Thai farmer, like most of the Thai, is essentially a fucking idiot and prizes vacuous hope and a reliance on superstitious practices over the not entirely significant reality that you cannot plant in a fucking drought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    They are doing it area by area and some years it slows down and other years it speeds up, prolly coming to an area near you real soon now..
    Our house is on Chanote titled land so it really doesn't bother me. But the usual quote when someone sells Sor Por Kor land here is that the government are going to upgrade it soon. There have been no upgrades around where I live for the 14+ years I've lived here.

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    ^ Land our way was upgraded around 10 years ago. I wrongly assumed it had happened elsewhere. Once upgraded they put the power lines in and quite a few farmers have moved out of the village and on to the farms. We still have some Sor Pot Kor, but not nearly as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Once upgraded they put the power lines in and quite a few farmers have moved out of the village and on to the farms.
    Power lines are put in irrespective of title deed if there is a constructed public road. Once done any add-on to that mains is payable at your local electricity supplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    You need a permit for wells, no permit and the Government can stop you taking water.
    Not around here. This well is the owners 3rd borehole. By the way this family's house is the only way a house can legally be built on Sor Por Kor land. I dunno what crop the guy is growing. Looks like Mulberry bushes.Govt calls on farmers to stop growing rice in off-season-dsc00166-jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Not at all, there's been an ongoing upgrade of title deeds since decades ago, and my missus Sor Por Kor rice paddy land was converted to Chanote some 10 years ago.
    They are doing it area by area and some years it slows down and other years it speeds up, prolly coming to an area near you real soon now..
    Ours was Nor Sor 3 land that changed to chanote about 10 years ago. So, apparently, if you farm 75% of the land for 3 years or more then you can change to chanote and own it. Wifey says: the Nor Sor isn't really taxed... &, we do farm rice on it.

    She also said, Sor Por Gor cannot be changed to chanote (easily? That might be changing in some districts?) and is owned by the government, leased to folks. Not that she knows every detail, but that was our experience in Banna, NN. The MiL's land is in the same district, but was always chanote - apparently Rama V gave it, and that was common in that period, so it says Am Deng on the title deed (an old form that's quite unusual nowadays).
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    Where I am, I needed to have all the paperwork signed by the "city hall" before the guy could start drilling our well...he said he couldn't risk his "license" by starting early.
    We're in a village thought, not in an out of the way field.

    The well usage is unregulated for houses, they set up meters and charge the water used by new appartement buildings...2.60b per cubic meter here. At one point they are supposed to set meters on older appartement buildingss.

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