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    Minimum wage to be raised

    The National Wage Committee announced on Friday (December 6) that it will raise the minimum wage by Bt6 for nine provinces and Bt5 for the rest of Thailand, Suthi Sukosol, Permanent Secretary of Labour, said.

    Workers in Chon Buri, Phuket, Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon and Prachin Buri will receive the additional Bt6 a day.


    This will give Phuket and Chonburi the highest minimum wages of Bt336 a day while those with the lowest minimum wages, Bt313/day, are Narathiwat and Pattani.

    The Permanent Secretary believes that the adjustment is appropriate for the economic situation. Itís expected to give some balance while also benefiting Thailandís economy.


    The Committee will present the resolution to the Cabinet as soon as possible so that the measure can take effect by January 1, 2020.

    https://www.nationthailand.com/news/...ernal_referral

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    Looks good on paper.
    Yet, keen observers will note that the base "minimum wage" and it's cycling extensions aren't practiced nor lawfully enforced.

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    What can you buy for 5 or 6 baht these days?

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    Wonder if that applies for the Burmese and Cambodians who do all the hard labor now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What can you buy for 5 or 6 baht these days?
    Half a bottle of M150.
    So you save up for two days to get the full one bottle of M150.
    Innit.

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    160-180b p/m, 3 large bottles of beer on payday. Or some nappies.

    I presume lower-end companies can legally get around paying minimum wage by offering accommodation onsite, lunches etc, or illegally by telling them to accept it or fuk off and never work in the town again.

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    MsPrawn's an accountant for a roading construction and quarry company, up to 150 employees in peak times, 350b/day for basic manual shovel/broom labour, 500-800 for drivers, 800-1000 per day for skilled machine operators
    Plus housing provided for some, housing allowance paid to some with families, fuel allowance
    Office staff paid above average plus their annual bonus trip, S Korea twice, Macao in the last three years
    Not all gloom, and a new Cayenne E-Hybrid in October for the boss' wife who manages the office.
    Suggested she donate the Benz to us as a hand-me-down but that went nowhere.
    Money in roading.

    Same rates apply for the Cambodian staff, long-term employees with families here, all legal. One of their 'senior' machine operators a Cambodian woman whose husband is a diesel mechanic

    July 2019, and there goes this driver's bonus



    We have a yr2 uni student with us, 19yrs, 34Ob a day during her holidays at 7/11.
    Don't know if their wages are fixed nationally or a generous local employer
    Last edited by prawnograph; 07-12-2019 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Yet, keen observers will note that the base "minimum wage" and it's cycling extensions aren't practiced nor lawfully enforced.
    It's not quite true. Once anything gets to the officials, they are very happy to enforce it (to their advantage as well...)

    However, exceptions surely will happen...
    Last edited by Klondyke; 07-12-2019 at 07:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    "minimum wage" and it's cycling extensions aren't practiced

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    It's not quit true


    It's definitely not 'quit' making sense.

    You'll have to do more than that to convince that you two understand each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    It's definitely not 'quit' making sense.
    Perhaps the termites are on their beanfeast...

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    Well..thats fucking interesting. About time we had a poster who doesnt talk bollocks. Green sent

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    Your usual nonsence.wtf are you on about?

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    Its not hard to see why the vast majority of Thais are bent and twisted fukers and would steal the arsehole from their long dead and rancid grandmother.

    I mean fukos, those wages are fookin shite innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Its not hard to see why the vast majority of Thais are bent and twisted fukers and would steal the arsehole from their long dead and rancid grandmother.

    I mean fukos, those wages are fookin shite innit.
    And yet they all seem to live a happy life in their financed house and driving their financed car.

    Lad at my work destroyed his brand new TRD Fortuner the other day, apparently he has it on the drip for the next 10 years.... he was pissed up and insurance company told him to go fuck himself.

    I expect a nnew name will happen once he is out of hospital and will have a new (financed) car before the year ends.
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    let me explain simply 100MB != 1GB RAM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    160-180b p/m, 3 large bottles of beer on payday. Or some nappies.

    I presume lower-end companies can legally get around paying minimum wage by offering accommodation onsite, lunches etc, or illegally by telling them to accept it or fuk off and never work in the town again.
    Where these things usually apply would be the ever influential farming/agricultural sectors and the slightly lesser construction trade where everyday common labour is most available and clearly the dominate percentile of working classes [outside of government] - most instance can be exploited without challenge or criticism. There are the number of exceptions, of course.

    'Tis wonder why we see so many average folks finding their own way - or attempting to - by going into business for themselves.....in one fashion or another.

    Been the age old problem the world over. Prices/costs of most everyday things see a steady increase year after year; decade after decade, yet wages never reflect any such ratio growth.
    Employers, of any disposition, are blind/heartless to these factors of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Its not hard to see why the vast majority of Thais are bent and twisted fukers and would steal the arsehole from their long dead and rancid grandmother.

    I mean fukos, those wages are fookin shite innit.
    Luckily, such "bent and twisted fukers" do not exist in rich countries, where the minimum wages are 10 - 20 times higher, do they?

    And those comfortable high incomes - or in many cases food stamps (SNAP) - enable to the rich population buying the things created in Thailand for the pittance.

    Usually the Thai export price of the things is some 10% of the selling price of the import company...

    Wondering, what will happen with the rich world, once the minimum wages in the poor countries will be on the same level as in the rich countries?
    Last edited by Klondyke; 08-12-2019 at 08:26 PM.

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    Dunno,

    I'll give me besty mate The Donald a call and run it by him.

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    ^^^ agree price for a workday in the fields up North reached 300b only recently (for guys, 250b for ladies), it was 250/200 3 years ago. Theses are "normal" wages, subject to bargain for over-performer/sub-performer.
    If the worker has his/her on field, there's generally no money involved as it's a workforce exchange (I work on your field and you work on mine)

    Here in CM city, workers in shops and companies seem to earn at least 300b, 400b is not exceptional ...

    Construction workers seem to earn around 500b as an individual (with at least some skills, able to do concrete or set times...), but most I saw here were working as a team (like a cooperative), the team leader negotiate prices with the builder, the team leader bring as many workers as he see fit ...the sharing method is unknown as it occurs behind the curtain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    ^^^ agree price for a workday in the fields up North reached 300b only recently (for guys, 250b for ladies), it was 250/200 3 years ago. Theses are "normal" wages, subject to bargain for over-performer/sub-performer.
    If the worker has his/her on field, there's generally no money involved as it's a workforce exchange (I work on your field and you work on mine)

    Here in CM city, workers in shops and companies seem to earn at least 300b, 400b is not exceptional ...

    Construction workers seem to earn around 500b as an individual (with at least some skills, able to do concrete or set times...), but most I saw here were working as a team (like a cooperative), the team leader negotiate prices with the builder, the team leader bring as many workers as he see fit ...the sharing method is unknown as it occurs behind the curtain.
    Seems to be the current norm in the countryside settings as well, where moderately skilled/unskilled labourers of the construction trades demand above minimum wage standards [B350/B400].....and the foreman/supervisor will take a slight larger cut [B500]. Urban and Rural situations might differ greatly, as lifestyle and cost of living vary.


    Adding: collectives and bartering schemes are still very much workable, and viably seen, in today's cash first world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    ^^^ agree price for a workday in the fields up North reached 300b only recently (for guys, 250b for ladies), it was 250/200 3 years ago.
    Not really true (this time not quite quite)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Not really true (this time not quite quite)...

    Might come down to varying degrees from region to region.
    What will ring true in particular locales might be quite different somewhere else.


    Side note: I've always championed getting away from this traditional "day wage" and morphing into a fair hourly wage would be beneficial for employees.
    Any such progressive move in this direction will be long to come.

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    ^^ That's the wages applied in wife's village up north (MHS area, on the main road), prices may indeed vary depending on the location...

    ^ exactly, my wife much appreciated that days working hours were clearly specified when she worked in Farangland in Farang-owned companies, all extra hours were compensated. In Thailand and also in Thai-owned companies in Farangland there always was some extra work to do for free.

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    Minimum wage increase not to affect product prices: Commerce Ministry

    BANGKOK (NNT) - The Ministry of Commerce has elaborated on an increase in commodity prices, saying it is related to many factors in addition to wages. The ministry is meanwhile, set to deploy officials to prevent unreasonable price increases.


    On the 6th December, the national wage committee approved a minimum wage increase of 5-6 baht, raising daily minimum wages across the country to 313-336 baht effective from 1st January 2020, pending Cabinet’s approval.


    On this matter, the Department of Internal Trade’s Deputy Director General Prayoth Benyasut, said today the Ministry of Commerce is confident the wage adjustment won’t cause an increase in commodity prices, as any such increase must take into consideration other costs such as energy, logistics, raw materials, and currency exchange rates and duties in the case of imported products.


    He said no manufacturers have requested an increase in pricing following the new wages announcement, while local commercial affairs offices have not yet come across any increase in commodity prices. The ministry is deploying officials to monitor commodity pricing closely.


    The director of Rangsit University’s Economic and Business Research Centre for Reform, Anusorn Tamajai said today this minimal increase in minimum wages won’t have any significant effect on overall purchasing power, but will increase the financial burden on smaller businesses.


    He suggested the government implement hourly minimum wages, which should be higher than the daily amount divided into hours, such as 50 baht per hour, while at the same time workers must improve their skills and adjust to technological changes.


    National News Bureau Of Thailand

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    Minimum wage increase not to affect product prices: Commerce Ministry

    BANGKOK (NNT) - The Ministry of Commerce has elaborated on an increase in commodity prices, saying it is related to many factors in addition to wages. The ministry is meanwhile, set to deploy officials to prevent unreasonable price increases.


    On the 6th December, the national wage committee approved a minimum wage increase of 5-6 baht, raising daily minimum wages across the country to 313-336 baht effective from 1st January 2020, pending Cabinetís approval.


    On this matter, the Department of Internal Tradeís Deputy Director General Prayoth Benyasut, said today the Ministry of Commerce is confident the wage adjustment wonít cause an increase in commodity prices, as any such increase must take into consideration other costs such as energy, logistics, raw materials, and currency exchange rates and duties in the case of imported products.


    He said no manufacturers have requested an increase in pricing following the new wages announcement, while local commercial affairs offices have not yet come across any increase in commodity prices. The ministry is deploying officials to monitor commodity pricing closely.


    The director of Rangsit Universityís Economic and Business Research Centre for Reform, Anusorn Tamajai said today this minimal increase in minimum wages wonít have any significant effect on overall purchasing power, but will increase the financial burden on smaller businesses.


    He suggested the government implement hourly minimum wages, which should be higher than the daily amount divided into hours, such as 50 baht per hour, while at the same time workers must improve their skills and adjust to technological changes.


    National News Bureau Of Thailand

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