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    Illegally held Sor Por Kor land plots will be taken back and re-allocated to the land

    Thailandís deputy Agriculture Minister Thammanat Promphao has vowed to seize all the Sor Por Kor land plots, or land plots which should be allocated by the state to landless farmers under the Land Reform Program, and reallocate them to the landless.


    The deputy agriculture minister said Sunday that he had set up a committee to solve the problem of Sor Por Kor land plots across the country, many of which are being held by non-farmers and those who have used the land for other purposes, such as building resorts.


    He said that land illegally held by non-farmers must first be confiscated and then be redistributed to the landless, mainly for agricultural purposes or for community tourism if the land is not suitable for farming, but an approval is needed from a committee which is yet to be set up.


    There are about 2.4 million hectares of land under the Land Reform Program, of which 2.16 million hectares have been allocated to landless farmers and the poor on which they can make a living.


    The remaining 240,000 hectares are yet to be allocated because land surveys cannot be undertaken due to legal problems.


    Thammanat said that about 800,000 landless poor have signed up for Sor Por Kor land and they are still waiting for their allocations.


    Sor Por Kor land plots cannot be sold or transferred to non-farmers or used for other activities besides farming. They can, however, be inherited by the next of kin of the original recipients.



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    approval is needed from a committee which is yet to be set up.
    Uh huh.

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    First rule when buying land in Thailand. Do not build on Sor Por Kor titled land.


    Edit: Sorry I should have said 'when building a house in Thailand do not build on Sor Por Kor land'.
    Last edited by Pragmatic; 08-09-2019 at 08:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Uh huh.
    Exactly.
    The circle of nepotistic graft.
    Same as it ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Sor Por Kor land plots cannot be sold or transferred to non-farmers or used for other activities besides farming. They can, however, be inherited by the next of kin of the original recipients.
    And to add to that I think only 25 Rai can be held, I won't say owned as you can't own Sor Por Kor land, per person.

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    Thing is if they check some of this land has changed hands numerous times, so the last sucker will take the hit - the previous seller and the original get away scot free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Thing is if they check some of this land has changed hands numerous times, so the last sucker will take the hit - the previous seller and the original get away scot free?
    Agreed but the Thais know the score when buying land here. It's a case of 'fingers crossed' that they don't get caught. I believe land disputes, due to selling of Sor Por Kor land, to be the biggest bottleneck in Thai courts.

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    From 2016.



    Posted August 24, 2016]We ask for justice - British man and Thai wife seek justice after losing 14 million baht


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    PATTAYA: -- A British man and his Thai wife have called for justice after they lost out on a land deal.

    Philip Coghlan, 66, and his wife Sommai had bought land and erected an expensive house with swimming pool and maid's quarters on the property.

    But on the day they moved in they found out to their horror that the land was to be compulsorily purchased to build a new road.


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    There was nothing they could do - but instead of receiving their money back they have been given 9 million baht. This was after they invested 23 million baht.

    They complained to the relevant authorities and have been told bluntly that all they can do is appeal the figure they have been offered.

    They bought the land from a local "Phoo Yai Ban" (village elder) in the Banglamung area of Chonburi who assured them that there would be no road going through that area.

    "The Thai people are great and it is lovely to live in Thailand," Philip told reporters. "We just ask for fairness in this matter and a fair valuation of the land".


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    They should start by looking at that baht and sold site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    They bought the land from a local "Phoo Yai Ban" (village elder) in the Banglamung area of Chonburi who assured them that there would be no road going through that area.
    Back home, they would hire a lawyer/solicitor to do surveys and ensure that there was no planned highway/road/trainline etc going to be built on or nearby.

    Why do idiots buy land in a foreign country and not worry about performing those same checks?

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    I think I read somewhere that those who built a resort illegally on their Sor Por Kor land may not necessarily see it destroyed, the relevant agency may propose to the "owner" to pay a rent for their resort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Why do idiots buy land in a foreign country and not worry about performing those same checks?
    May be cuz they think the wife/girlfriend knows what's what regarding laws in Thailand? Not her money so ...........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    I think I read somewhere that those who built a resort illegally on their Sor Por Kor land may not necessarily see it destroyed, the relevant agency may propose to the "owner" to pay a rent for their resort.

    ....and what of the age old moral clause of Wat property being sold or leased for profit?
    How does this fit within the confines of this related discussion.

    Might be asking how extended Wat land is legally categorized.

    I've witnessed, or know of, resort/hospitality-type of businesses that were built upon broad Wat land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Back home, they would hire a lawyer/solicitor to do surveys and ensure that there was no planned highway/road/trainline etc going to be built on or nearby.

    Why do idiots buy land in a foreign country and not worry about performing those same checks?
    If you can't trust the legal system, how can you trust the checks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Back home, they would hire a lawyer/solicitor to do surveys and ensure that there was no planned highway/road/trainline etc going to be built on or nearby.

    Why do idiots buy land in a foreign country and not worry about performing those same checks?
    My wife and I have purchased several properties over the years and always perform your checks. Never a glitch.

    Those who follow their wife's do it the "Thai way" advice are indeed idiots and deserve to lose their asses.

    And no doubt will follow by blaming Thais for being a corrupt, farang hating bunch rather than admitting they themselves fucked the pooch.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Why do idiots buy land in a foreign country and not worry about performing those same checks?
    When buying land in Thailand to build on you don't really need to do those checks if it is full 'Chanote' titled land. The title 'Chanote' is basically your guarantee against fcuk ups. This is why Chanote title land cost more and is highly prized.

    The usual legal problem with Sor Por Kor land is that the original title older sells it off before they die and does not notify the next of kin. Come their death the family members find out the land was sold without them knowing. This is where the court steps in to decide ownership. High chances are the family will get the title paper.

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    Providing the chanot is real and not created by a dodgy official for cash, and its later reverted once the official is jailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Providing the chanot is real and not created by a dodgy official for cash, and its later reverted once the official is jailed.
    It takes more than one corrupted authority/official to process a physical chanote document, therefore lesser of a chance regarding dodgy play.

    Your teasing conspiracy theory might not hold water....


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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Providing the chanot is real and not created by a dodgy official for cash, and its later reverted once the official is jailed.
    You can't actually transfer names and money until taxes have been paid at the local land office and the papers proven to be genuine.

    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    It takes more than one corrupted authority/official to process a physical chanote document, therefore lesser of a chance regarding dodgy play.
    Agreed Jeff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    It takes more than one corrupted authority/official to process a physical chanote document, therefore lesser of a chance regarding dodgy play.
    The size of the winnings dictates how many tickets need to be purchased.

    Discombobulated effrontary.

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    Very complex subject, land titles and use, there are more types of land titles than most think.

    Since the introduction of the cadastral land system in Thailand, things have changed greatly, that's why most Thais believe in the old local rules.

    Charnote title does not give a right to build a house, resort or nuclear power plant, it is freehold yes, but land use is control by what ever a government agency runs that area.

    Where I live very little charnote land, most of it is along the 2248 and is green zone controlled by the Land development board, they are the top dogs in land usage. If you are computer literate you may be able to find a map of the zoning in your area, the land office will have one.
    Tthe LDB and some other government guys came by a few years ago and slapped demolition orders on anything built on green zone land [charnote title]

    Sor Por Gor land, as the land is a national title, think this will be enforced the same all over, when the charnote people came they didn't care who the original owners were. If the present user was farming the land, it was not over the family or individual limit and there was no dispute from others about ownership, the charnote was issued.
    Sor Por Gor land is a use it or lose it title, 3 years of laying idle and technically you lose the right to have it.
    Also the 10 year rule applies, user farms any land without dispute, 10 years pass and it's yours.

    There is another land type title out my way, populate the land border near Lao, land was sold very cheap around a big dam/lake' Idea was people would settle the area, after 10 years and they had an operating rubber, palm oil or cashew nut plantations, a charnote title would be issued [land had already been surveyed].
    Lots of city people bought in, hope being that the title would be issued with no checking, LDB came and confiscated all the land that was not an operating plantation.

    This introduction of the cadastral land system is big picture stuff, the nations wealth grows as land and home prices grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    You can't actually transfer names and money until taxes have been paid at the local land office and the papers proven to be genuine.

    Agreed Jeff.
    So places like chokchai etc which hold chanot on forest land .....

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    ps pretty much the whole korat land dept were on back handers over khao yai "chanot" land parcels

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    Lots of these dodgy deals seem to involve land 'adjoining' national parks.

    Another example is land near the Black Mountain golf course in Hua Hin, which has been subject to legal wrangling for years.

    A few years ago we looked at some seemingly impossibly inexpensive land bordering the beach in Pranburi.

    A year after seeing it I read of the scam in The Bangkok Post.

    It does seem that one has to be particularly wary of land boasting beach access or close proximity to it.

    Here's a recent, massive suspected scam in Phuket...

    https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/p...-investigation

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Very complex subject, land titles and use, there are more types of land titles than most think.
    This is true.

    Many farang will want to see pics of the nearby beach, the double car park or whatever when looking at an ad. for a property.

    The Thais will want to see a pic of the Chanote.

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