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    Loads of Thais being turned around at Incheon daily

    This is compiled from multiple reports being blogged, etc. on wifey's social media, so don't have an official news report.

    Rooters / Mrs. Hick Aug. 29, 2017----------------------------

    Hundreds of Thais are being turned around at Incheon airport in Seoul each day with little explanation.


    A number of Thai citizens have been reporting their travel-less problems at the S. Korean border as immigration officials have been denying them entry, detaining them for 20 hours and more with offers of only occasional water (in paper cups) and stale pieces of bread.

    One such unlucky traveler documented her entire ordeal just yesterday.

    "I realize that my countrymen and women who overstayed their visas ahead of me have made this problem for us, but this is crazy!" quipped "Ann" who was returning to Korea after several past (successful) journeys.

    "I showed the immigration official my past visa stamps, my return ticket, my sizable bank account and my bookings for accommodation but he took all of my papers, denied me entry and put me into a holding cell without explanation!"

    "There was another woman in there and she told me that she'd been there for three days! She had joined a tour and after the officials decided she wasn't acceptable, they made her stay and wait in detention until the tour was over when she was to return to Thailand with the group."

    Ann was detained for 20 hours and put on a flight back to Bangkok. She asked the immigration officer when she might be able to return and he said, "I don't know."

    "I have three friends who were allowed to pass the customs and immigration line and I tried to get the official assigned to me to recognize them and allow them to come and speak on my behalf, but he flatly refused."

    Ann is joined by a growing number of other Thai citizens who (although officially allowed a 90 day stay on arrival) are being treated as criminals upon their landing in the NE Asian peninsula famed for fashion, shopping and K-pop.

    "After the official ripped all of my travel papers and documents from my hand, the Korean/Thai translator on the phone asked me detailed questions about my travel plan. I tried to explain that the officer took everything and I can only remember the name of my first hotel. She screamed obscenities at me through the phone and ended with, 'You're not good enough to enter my country.'"

    "I don't understand it! I have plenty of money to finance my trip and had a very clear itinerary. My passport contains several entry/exit visas from Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo and even Seoul! Even Thailand's celebrities are being turned around. This costs us a lot of money because we made bookings and plans to stay for several weeks."

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    A similar thread was done a month or so ago. It all boils down to Thais being trafficked to work in bars. I know of two ladies who went and are overstaying their visas. It appears that Pattaya is on a decline and work and money is better in Korea.

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    ^Sounds about right. There are a few Korean "bars" springing up in Rayong that are apparently just fronts for trafficking girls over to Korea and beyond.

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    Hopefully some of these unfortunate Thais who get unfairly treated are, or are close to, Thai Immigration people and get an insight into how frustrating it is to be a victim of low-order bureaucrats acting on dumb impulse.

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    Quite amusing the Thai having to confront the reality of how the world views them - mostly potential economic migrants trying to escape their exploitation.

    Koreans pretty soon won't need other Asians to fuel their success, the North will provide for that when Fatboy and his crew get the chop.

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    August 18, 2017

    BANGKOK — Thai law enforcement officials announced Friday they have arrested a South Korean man suspected of involvement in trafficking of Thai women into South Korea’s sex industry.

    Thailand’s Department of Special Investigation said that Kim Hyoung-joon was arrested Thursday at a Bangkok apartment building.

    South Korean authorities in February arrested eight of its nationals in connection with the same operation and charged them with human trafficking. Thai investigators said the arrests led them to issue warrants for Kim and a Thai.

    The statement said Kim is also being sought by South Korean authorities, who have warrants out for his arrest on multiple charges.

    DSI, which is modeled after America’s FBI, said it also received information from non-governmental organizations about the trafficking operation that duped Thai women into the sex trade by telling them that they would be offered jobs as traditional Thai masseuses in South Korea.


    Once the victims arrived in South Korea, their passports were confiscated and they were forced into prostitution and kept under constant guard.

    NGOs in Southeast Asia are instrumental in battling human trafficking and often work closely with police.

    Thailand’s military government has come under heavy scrutiny in recent years over the country’s human trafficking problems. In 2014, the U.S. State Department demoted Thailand in its annual ranking of countries — based on their efforts in countering modern-day slavery — to the lowest “Tier 3” status, indicating a failure to combat trafficking.

    The Thai government instituted tougher policies after its 2014 demotion and last year was upgraded to “Tier 2” status in the U.S. report, indicating countries that do not meet minimum standards, but are making significant efforts to do so. Thailand’s Foreign Ministry said in February that it had convicted 268 people for human trafficking in 2016, the highest number since the government began instituting tougher policies.
    South Korean human trafficking suspect arrested in Thailand | National Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    A similar thread was done a month or so ago. It all boils down to Thais being trafficked to work in bars. I know of two ladies who went and are overstaying their visas. It appears that Pattaya is on a decline and work and money is better in Korea.
    Indeed, the traffickers sprinkle the whores among bona fide groups which is why the Koreans have to discriminate. I'm surprised that the Koreans haven't imposed a visa regime on Thai visitors given the evident rising scale of the problem.

    They are not all destined for bar work either, one of my more reliable drivers jacked his business in and buggered off to work illegally in Seoul posing as a tour group member. He hasn't reappeared so I guess he made it. A couple of women from the local Family Mart tried their luck, looking for factory work according to the wingman, but they came back - great loss of face.

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    You'd think with the recent threats from the north that the need for men to relieve tension via the skilled work of a prostitute, would be on the rise. Obviously not if Thai's are having immigration problems. Oh well I'm sure Angeles City in the Philippines is still packed out with Koreans. Was last time I went and a few Japs as well.

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    The majority of Thais coming in are NOT sex workers, but nonvisa factory workers

    And the scumbag traffickers charge the Thais 170,000 baht to get them in the country. Once in, if lucky, then the Thais might get about 45,000 baht per month. The unlucky ones are caught and sent home with huge debts or forced into slavery or prostitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    A similar thread was done a month or so ago. It all boils down to Thais being trafficked to work in bars. I know of two ladies who went and are overstaying their visas. It appears that Pattaya is on a decline and work and money is better in Korea.
    It isn't always trafficking.

    Even here in the sandpit, while there is a trafficking problem, there are still plenty of freelancers that are here to hook of their own volition.

    The ones moaning here seem to fit into that category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    there are still plenty of freelancers
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The ones moaning
    sorry harry , but they are faking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The majority of Thais coming in are NOT sex workers, but nonvisa factory workers

    And the scumbag traffickers charge the Thais 170,000 baht to get them in the country. Once in, if lucky, then the Thais might get about 45,000 baht per month. The unlucky ones are caught and sent home with huge debts or forced into slavery or prostitution.
    I'm really surprised that the Thais are still falling for these supposed work contracts and associated overseas obligations/extortion - with dreams of riches and success.

    One would imagine that a generation of word-of-mouth warnings would be sufficient.
    Guess it's not.

    There was a time when overseas working contracts weren't so obsessively fashionable and the legitimate fees were on the up-n-up and certainly not exorbitant to the point of being an obvious scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao
    One would imagine that a generation of word-of-mouth warnings would be sufficient.
    Guess it's not.
    You should know well, although many folks on here don't realize it, that under the junta the economy is a disaster, crime is up, debts unpaid, land taken over by banks, folks are desperate... In a Thai factory, even if you can get a job, with overtime maybe you'd get 15,000 baht per month. In Korea, you can get three times that, so it is very attractive and many Thais have worked here in Korea successfully for a year or two which enables them to pay off the family debt, come back and buy that new Fortuna that everyone wants...

    On the flip side, Siam Paragon is packed, and I've never seen so many red-plated Porsches in Bkk than my recent visit, so a certain group are doing exceptionally well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao
    One would imagine that a generation of word-of-mouth warnings would be sufficient.
    Guess it's not.
    You should know well, although many folks on here don't realize it, that under the junta the economy is a disaster, crime is up, debts unpaid, land taken over by banks, folks are desperate... In a Thai factory, even if you can get a job, with overtime maybe you'd get 15,000 baht per month. In Korea, you can get three times that, so it is very attractive and many Thais have worked here in Korea successfully for a year or two which enables them to pay off the family debt, come back and buy that new Fortuna that everyone wants...

    On the flip side, Siam Paragon is packed, and I've never seen so many red-plated Porsches in Bkk than my recent visit, so a certain group are doing exceptionally well...

    All true - most pursue overseas jaunts for the family, least themselves.
    But most of these situations are not wrapped up in wealth-inspired themes.
    On an average, what comes streaming back to the families is usually nominal and not the big time money that you speak of - there are a few exceptions, of course.

    Remembering, as well, that the said contracted worker is basically a slave for the first year - required to pay off the agents and fees initially. Only then are they able to start sending the riches home. Takes a little fortitude and patience plus decent connections.

    Over some 20-25 years, I've known of numerous instances where all panned out nicely for years continuing and other situations were complete messes with indebtedness and great face loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao
    Remembering, as well, that the said contracted worker is basically a slave for the first year
    This is a massive problem, especially if a couple come together, 350,000 baht of bills,
    (maybe the family land chanote used to get a bank loan) and very often it does not work out...

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    Very old news.

    And they mostlywork in massage places, with or without extras offered.

    And very little trafficing involved, mostly in your brains.
    They make Sweet money there if they work hard.
    I know many who's been there, even one that got refused entry, along with thai tourists.
    They stop hundres aday sometimes, deported the next day.
    The Koreans have to protect their own workers in these troubled times

    But imagen so, they got harrased by middle east muslim men, while in detention at the airport. Men who were also detained, but obviously roamed around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitane
    And very little trafficing involved, mostly in your brains.
    Do you read the papers.

    A THAI woman who allegedly procured women from the Northeast to work as prostitutes in South Korea has been arrested in Pathum Thani.

    A total of nine suspects were nabbed after a seven-day operation by Bangkok’s Metropolitan Police Bureau (MPB), including four wanted in regard to eight human-trafficking cases, and another two suspects arrested in connection with related cases. MPB chief Pol Lt-General Sanit Mahathavorn vowed yesterday to continue the crackdown till his jurisdiction was free of human traffickers. Warisara Chatree, 52, of Udon Thani, was arrested in Thai Somboon Market in Pathum Thani’s Klong Luang district for charges including procuring women to prostitution, fraud, and illegal detention to coerce others into the sex trade. MPB inspector Pol Major Wasan Thawatchaiwirut said Warisara’s arrest stemmed from offences in 2009 where she and her husband allegedly lured women to work as prostitutes in South Korean sex parlours. He said the gang locked the victims up in hotel rooms while they waited for prostitution jobs. After they banged on hotel doors for help, staff rescued the women and sent them to the Royal Thai Embassy in Seoul.
    Warisara and her South Korean husband fled the country before investigators reached them, Wasan said. Warisara later told police that her contact in South Korea hired her husband to find Thai women for the sex trade. She said she was helped by Udon Thani man Somkid Hawichien, who is still being sought, to find women by promising them massage jobs in South Korea. Each victim paid a Bt30,000 fee to Somkid and Warisara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao
    One would imagine that a generation of word-of-mouth warnings would be sufficient.
    Guess it's not.
    You should know well, although many folks on here don't realize it, that under the junta the economy is a disaster, crime is up, debts unpaid, land taken over by banks, folks are desperate... In a Thai factory, even if you can get a job, with overtime maybe you'd get 15,000 baht per month. In Korea, you can get three times that, so it is very attractive and many Thais have worked here in Korea successfully for a year or two which enables them to pay off the family debt, come back and buy that new Fortuna that everyone wants...

    On the flip side, Siam Paragon is packed, and I've never seen so many red-plated Porsches in Bkk than my recent visit, so a certain group are doing exceptionally well...
    And yet the THB is still right up there, eh?

    One can only imagine the scale of the parallel economy going on here.
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    The level of inward investment in Thailand remains strong and the degree of expansion in the light industrial sectors grows apace yoy.

    Disposable incomes and access to credit grows exponentially and this can be seen everywhere in the country.

    When one sees the growth in retail and the trappings of consumerism in the provinces then you know the country is developing.

    TD and TV members alike all seem to view Thai society through the prism of prostitutes and their families.

    Thailand does very well on the back of the lumpen labour of the lower end Thai and as long as the minimum wage rate of 300 baht per day is seen as the de facto maximum then they will continue to prosper.

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    I have a ''former horizontal aquaintance '' who visited there 3 times ''for work''.... massage shop in Busan. She enjoyed it and quite liked the food apparently

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    Right on, S A

    All though I'm not yellow, or red, it's hard to avoid notesing that
    Thailand is prospering.

    I do reed news papers, but hardly ever believes the bullshit
    they print.
    Thais are survivors, they manage to adopt everywhere,
    and find their way to do business.
    Betty boo, yes off course , also employment in the industry.
    The clamp down though, I believe is mainly because business is slow,
    The yards, the supply industri to shipbuilding and rig building, off shore related in general. They need to protect their own citizens.
    Thank God some countries still do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The level of inward investment in Thailand remains strong and the degree of expansion in the light industrial sectors grows apace yoy.

    Disposable incomes and access to credit grows exponentially and this can be seen everywhere in the country.

    When one sees the growth in retail and the trappings of consumerism in the provinces then you know the country is developing.

    TD and TV members alike all seem to view Thai society through the prism of prostitutes and their families.

    Thailand does very well on the back of the lumpen labour of the lower end Thai and as long as the minimum wage rate of 300 baht per day is seen as the de facto maximum then they will continue to prosper.

    sadly, i think this is quite accurate.

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    as a ps,,, i often wonder were the gov gets its money. personal allowances are very good, hence few pay tax. i pay more tax than a normal working thai.

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