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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Which is irrelevant as nuclear missiles are not the only weapons a nuclear powered submarine has
    you often like to put down posters when you think they are out of their depth, yet here you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    you often like to put down posters when you think they are out of their depth, yet here you are
    Good Lord . . . please, chat about ships, planes etc... I don't know much about them but subs, yes I do . . . anyway, go on and show me where I'm wrong or just keep drinking and getting angry about gay people.



    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    true and the word attack in the name implies its conventionally armed
    Prove your 'implication'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    you often like to put down posters when you think they are out of their depth, yet here you are

    You're out of your depth, yet here you are still posting.

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    Posted today on the US Pacific Fleet page:

    Ships transit the Philippine Sea during a multinational exercise with Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Oct. 3, 2021. The United Kingdom’s carrier strike group led by HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08), Japan Maritime Self-Defense Forces led by (JMSDF) Hyuga-class helicopter destroyer JS Ise (DDH 182); Royal Canadian Navy’s HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338); Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS Evertsen (F 805); Royal New Zealand Navy’s HMNZS Te Kaha (F 77) and U.S. Navy carrier strike groups led by flagships USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) and USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), conducted multiple carrier strike group operations in the Philippine Sea. The integrated at-sea operations brought together more than 15,000 Sailors across six nations to demonstrate an unmatched network of alliances and partnerships in support of a free and open Indo-Pacific. (U.S. Navy video by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Megan Alexander)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Posted today on the US Pacific Fleet page:
    Not a fan of surface boats/ships . . . but they are impressive

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    A possible explanation.

    Chinese FM urges US to provide truth about nuke submarine accident in S. China Sea, including intentions and if leak happens


    By Guo Yuandan and Fan Anqi Published: Oct 08, 2021 05:58 PM

    "Experts reached by the Global Times said that the US nuclear submarines normally sail in the South China Sea at over 100 meters deep underwater. If it collided with a reef or another submarine, the resulting damage would likely be serious.

    But judging from the official statement of the US Navy that it "remains in a safe and stable condition," the submarine was most likely hit by an unmanned underwater detection vehicle, as such vehicles are small in size and would not pose much damages to the vessel.

    Observers further noted that the US navy has put a significant number of such devices in the area to detect the hydrological characteristics of the South China Sea and China's submarine operations, so it could be that "the US shot itself in the foot." They added that the unknown object may have also been a submersible deployed by US allies in the Asia-Pacific region.


    While the US has incessantly harassed the region over recent years, the incident suggests that it does not know much about the marine environment of the South China Sea, and its intelligence gathering and forecasting capabilities are limited, according to the observers."

    Chinese FM urges US to provide truth about nuke submarine accident in S. China Sea, including intentions and if leak happens - Global Times

    Unnamed "experts/observers", indicating some "knowledge" and expressing the possible explanations:

    1. US nuclear submarines normally sail in the South China Sea at over 100 meters deep underwater.

    2. the submarine was most likely hit by an unmanned underwater detection vehicle

    3. such vehicles are small in size and would not pose much damages to the vessel.

    4. the US navy has put a significant number of such devices in the area to detect the hydrological characteristics of the South China Sea and China's submarine operations, so it could be that "the US shot itself in the foot."

    5. the unknown object may have also been a submersible deployed by US allies in the Asia-Pacific region.

    6. the US navy has put a significant number of such devices in the area to detect the hydrological characteristics of the South China Sea and China's submarine operations

    7. it does not know much about the marine environment of the South China Sea

    8. its intelligence gathering and forecasting capabilities are limitedConcluding:

    "It could be that "the US shot itself in the foot."Unnamed experts, why?

    Propaganda or a reluctance to indicate that China has a full knowledge of NaGastani aggressive military actions/deployments, near to China?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Chinese FM urges US to provide truth
    Truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    possible explanation

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    Of course, if a Chines vessel hit anything at sea, such reorts would not even be made public.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Propaganda or a reluctance to indicate that China has a full knowledge of NaGastani aggressive military actions/deployments, near to China?
    The Chines are not well known or disposed to any kind of publicity, especially where military assets are involved.

    Btw, repeating yourself makes your post even more desperate.

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    Navy Not Sure What USS Connecticut Struck in the South China Sea, Beijing Accuses U.S. of Cover-Up

    The U.S. Navy still isn’t positive what one of its most powerful attack submarines hit in the South China Sea, as repair assessments continue in Guam, four sources familiar with the results of the preliminary investigations told USNI News this week.


    As of Tuesday afternoon, the undersea object that damaged the forward section of USS Connecticut (SSN-22) had not been definitively determined as part of several investigations into the Oct. 2 incident, the sources said.


    Early indications were Connecticut hit a seamount in the South China Sea, two defense officials familiar with the Navy’s examination of the submarines told USNI News, but that has not been confirmed by investigators. Politico first reported earlier this month that the boat may have hit an undersea feature.


    Cmdr. Cindy Fields, a spokesperson with Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet, told USNI News the command had nothing to add to its initial statement on what the submarine hit. She said two investigations – a safety investigation board convened by COMSUBPAC and a command investigation overseen by the Japan-based U.S. 7th Fleet – are currently looking into the incident.


    “Connecticut struck an object while submerged on the afternoon of Oct. 2, while operating in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region,” PACFLEET said on Oct. 7.


    The impact to the forward part of the attack submarine damaged the submarine’s forward ballast tanks and forced the boat to make a week-long trip on the surface to Guam, two defense officials told USNI News this week.


    The four sources confirmed the Navy’s public statement that the reactor compartment of the submarine was undamaged from when the boat hit the object.


    Since returning to Guam, the boat is still under evaluation for the scope of repairs by Naval Sea Systems Command, personnel from the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and submarine tender USS Emory S. Land (AS-39), Fields told USNI News on Tuesday.


    The teams will first determine what repairs Connecticut needs to leave Guam safely and then follow-on repairs, Fields said. The closest dry dock for major submarine maintenance is in Hawaii. The Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, which is near the attack boat’s homeport in Bremerton, Wash., is the second closest dry dock.


    While repairs and several investigations continue, Chinese officials have accused the U.S. of concealing details of the incident from Beijing.


    “The Chinese side has repeatedly expressed grave concerns over the matter and asked the U.S. side to make clarifications,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Tuesday.
    “We have seen nothing but a brief and vague statement issued by the U.S. military with procrastination, and a confirmation by a so-called informant that the incident did happen in the South China Sea. Such an irresponsible, cagey practice gives regional countries and the international community every reason to question the truth of the incident and the intention of the U.S.”


    Connecticut is one of three Seawolf-class attack submarines. The boat left in May for a deployment to the Western Pacific and has made at least two port calls to Japan.


    Pentagon spokesman John Kirby earlier this month dismissed China’s accusation that the U.S. was engaging in a coverup of the incident.


    “It’s an odd way of covering something up when you put out a press release about it,” Kirby told reporters when asked about China’s allegation.

    Navy Not Sure What USS Connecticut Struck in the South China Sea, Beijing Accuses U.S. of Cover-Up - USNI News

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “We have seen nothing but a brief and vague statement issued by the U.S. military with procrastination, and a confirmation by a so-called informant that the incident did happen in the South China Sea. Such an irresponsible, cagey practice gives regional countries and the international community every reason to question the truth of the incident and the intention of the U.S.”
    Basically they are whinging about the fact that the US had an attack sub in the South China Sea that they had no idea about.

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    The sub was probably moving very slow just above the bottom to avoid detection and ran into a cargo container or sunken ship. Why? Because that's what the sneaky buggers do when they are monitoring Chinese sub operations out of Hainan Island.

    They were likely part of one of the two carrier battle groups operating in the area.

    Lot's of ships, subs and aircraft in the area. Bound to be a few collisions like the one few years back when a US intel aircraft collided with a Chinese fighter jet.

    Shit happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    They were likely part of one of the two carrier battle groups operating in the area.
    There is lots of US naval activity in the South China Sea. Almost none of it is mentioned by China unless there is a situation like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    a situation like this.
    A situation like what?

    A nuclear powered sub, with who knows what arms on board, crashed into something, damaging some sailors, and who knows what else, and they refuse to clarify on any aspect of the situation.

    Clarity of the event would cause what problems for NaGastan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A nuclear powered sub, with who knows what arms on board, crashed into something, damaging some sailors, and who knows what else, and they refuse to clarify on any aspect of the situation.
    God knows why the US Navy decided to do a press release when it happened. They should have just covered it up and left the Chinese nosy beaks in the dark. They would have never known the sub was there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Almost none of it is mentioned by China unless there is a situation like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A situation like what?
    Are you that dense? Read the article


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    damaging some sailors
    Umm . . . 'damaging' them . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Clarity of the event would cause what problems for NaGastan?
    Let's see what providing clarity and transparency has done for China . . . oh . . .

    You surely can't be a hypocrite al the time, can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    and they refuse to clarify on any aspect of the situation.
    Why should they? Their boat, international waters etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Why should they?
    Good manners so the adjoining countries, if given the location of the accident and are allowed to inspect the sub, can confirm no damage at the sight or ongoing danger exists.

    Some countries have displayed that misspeaking, or being economical with the truth, is part of their culture.

    Nobody has informed the adjoining countries officially of where the sub was damaged or what it was doing.

    Seeding problems in seas adjacent to foreign countries shores, are considered, by some, as a military attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    international waters etc.
    So we are told.

    Without any inspections, the informative country is able to tell all what they want to and what they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    the informative country is able to tell all what they want to and what they don't.
    Has always been the essence of military intelligence. It will probably be declassified in about 30 years !

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    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Some countries have displayed that misspeaking, or being economical with the truth, is part of their culture.
    Yeah the chinkies are the worst.

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    Any conspiracy theories yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Good manners
    ... is something no-one has ever accused mainland Chinese of having

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Any conspiracy theories yet?
    "The undersea mountain suffered no damage and has successfully returned to its base.”


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    How did they manage to hit it, anyway ? They don't cruise around blind down there. Sonar has been around for a long time.

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