12th year students fail four of five O-Net exams

**misskit** · 22-03-2017, 05:41 AM

The results of nationwide O-Net tests for students in the 12th grade, or Mathayom 6, which came out Monday showed students failed four out of five subjects on average, according to the National Institute of Educational Testing Service (Niets).

O-Net stands for Ordinary National Educational Test. It is conducted annually by Niets to measures students' basic knowledge in five key subjects -- mathematics, English, Thai language, social studies and general sciences. All grade 6, 9 and 12 students must take the test to assess their academic proficiency. O-Net scores are used for university admission. The number of students taking the O-Net each year is about two million.

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**Latindancer** · 22-03-2017, 06:32 AM

What on earth ?? They must be pretty dismal.

I thought they just created a bell curve and passed the top two thirds, or whatever it is.

**hallelujah** · 22-03-2017, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

What on earth ?? They must be pretty dismal.

I thought they just created a bell curve and passed the top two thirds, or whatever it is.

It's not in the interests of the select few to have the great unwashed privy to a decent education.

**Luigi** · 22-03-2017, 07:48 AM

It's not fair.

They need to test them on marching, chanting, flag waving, and other activities that the 1930's Nazi Youth excelled at.

Math, Science and English?? What good are they for Thai people!

**hallelujah** · 22-03-2017, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Luigi

It's not fair.

They need to test them on marching, chanting, flag waving, and other activities that the 1930's Nazi Youth excelled at.

Math, Science and English?? What good are they for Thai people!

Very true.

**Thai3** · 22-03-2017, 09:08 AM

It's the Thai educational system that fails, not the kids

**BaitongBoy** · 22-03-2017, 10:11 AM

What system is that?...

**importford** · 22-03-2017, 11:25 AM

Do they do the same tests in Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos,... and how were the results of these tests there?
Just interested to compare the education level with neighboring countries.

**BaitongBoy** · 22-03-2017, 11:30 AM

^ Agree...Would be interesting to know...

**Norton** · 22-03-2017, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Luigi

It's not fair.

They need to test them on marching, chanting, flag waving, and other activities that the 1930's Nazi Youth excelled at.

Math, Science and English?? What good are they for Thai people!

Which begs the question. How do the OP scores compare with those 5 years ago?

**ENT** · 22-03-2017, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

It's not in the interests of the select few to have the great unwashed privy to a decent education.

That's in every country in the world, which is why tertiary education costs have sky-rocketed along with student loan debts, which are the provenance of students from poorer socio-economic backgrounds (unless one is feminist/gay/BMEA/'ethnic'/physically/mentally challenged), not the cosseted offspring of the rich and privileged who can afford to pay their course fees, their living costs and 'loose change' party funds.

While I was at Otago Uni NZ, the only ones who could afford to eat at the pricy Student Union restaurant were Maori, Asian (principally Malaysian), Chinese, Saudi and American exchange students. (So much for the transparent fairness of the Students Union, catering for the privileged, not the union fee paying student mass).

The rest of us of the lower economic levels had to rely on a sausage roll and a 125 ml carton of milk for lunch, or student clubs, the Hare Krishna folk and the local food banks to supplement our meagre rations after exorbitant rent had been paid to crooked landlords for sub-standard, insecure accommodation.

Stress levels among the poorer students were high, hampering their studies.

Yup, keep the masses stressed and poor, let them waste their time in taking it out on each other with gratuitous violence and impotent demonstrations and petitions, that'll keep them all under control of any hierarchic nanny state.

**Farang Ky Ay** · 22-03-2017, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thai3

It's the Thai educational system that fails, not the kids

You're right, it show how the system is flawed, they stick to rote learning to pass the test (mcq) then 2 days later all is forgotten ane they don't understand basic notions and when the questions are slightly different they're kind of lost,

Education shouldn't cost an eye, feel sad for people who could n't afford it or got indebted for it, it's not like this all around the world

Back to Thailand, no matter the great deal boasted, drop the submarines purchase in favor of a sound educational reform...but well critical thinking and problem solving may not be what the junta wants from Thai people...

**OhOh** · 22-03-2017, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by importford

Do they do the same tests in Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos,... and how were the results of these tests there? Just interested to compare the education level with neighboring countries.

Allegedly the OECD figures for 2015 show Vietnam, at number 12, above UK and many other "developed" countries systems. Hopefully all the tests were similar and the marking overseen. Asian countries highlighted. At least Thailand, at 47 beat Malaysia at 52.

Maths and Science Ranking

A 2015 study by the OECD ranked the Educational Systems by the results of kids aged 15 at Maths and Science. The ranking is very similar to the general ranking, with top tier Asian countries leading the list:

Countries ranked on maths and science results for 15 year olds:

1. Singapore 21. Czech Republic 41. Turkey 61. Jordan
2. Hong Kong 22. Denmark 42. Serbia 62. Argentina
3. South Korea 23. France 43. Bulgaria 63. Albania
4. Japan 24. Latvia 44. Romania 64. Tunisia
5. Taiwan 25. Norway 45. UAE 65. Macedonia
6. Finland 26. Luxembourg 46. Cyprus 66. Saudi Arabia
7. Estonia 27. Spain 47. Thailand 67. Colombia
8. Switzerland 28. Italy 48. Chile 68. Qatar
9. Netherlands 29. United States 49. Kazakhstan 69. Indonesia
10. Canada 30. Portugal 50. Armenia 70. Botswana
11. Poland 31. Lithuania 51. Iran 71. Peru
12. Vietnam 32. Hungary 52. Malaysia 72. Oman
13. Germany 33. Iceland 53. Costa Rica 73. Morocco
14. Australia 34. Russia 54. Mexico 74. Honduras
15. Ireland 35. Sweden 55. Uruguay 75. South Africa
16. Belgium 36. Croatia 56. Montenegro76. Ghana
17. New Zealand 37. Slovak Republic 57. Bahrain
18. Slovenia 38. Ukraine 58. Lebanon
19. Austria 39. Israel 59. Georgia
20. United Kingdom 40. Greece 60. Brazil

Note: Countries not present in the above ranking did not participate in the study.

http://fairreporters.net/world/the-best-education-systems-in-the-world-in-2015

**Luigi** · 22-03-2017, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Luigi

It's not fair.

They need to test them on marching, chanting, flag waving, and other activities that the 1930's Nazi Youth excelled at.

Math, Science and English?? What good are they for Thai people!

Which begs the question. How do the OP scores compare with those 5 years ago?

Oh it's much better.

As is the Happiness index. It really is being returned to the people.

**CaptainNemo** · 22-03-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by hallelujah

It's not in the interests of the select few to have the great unwashed privy to a decent education.

That's in every country in the world, which is why tertiary education costs have sky-rocketed along with student loan debts, which are the provenance of students from poorer socio-economic backgrounds
...

Stress levels among the poorer students were high, hampering their studies.

https://www.iser.essex.ac.uk/researc...er/2014-42.pdf

**Topper** · 22-03-2017, 02:17 PM

There's one huge reason why the M6 students perform abysmally .....

From what I understand (been told by teachers and students) is that the tests are completely meaningless to them.

The results are not used for uni admissions, most unis realize the tests are generally shite so the better ones have their own entrance exams.

It also has something to do with wanting to excel. If given a choice between doing your best on a test and sitting in the testing room for hours or simply coloring "B" for all your answers and being allowed to go outside and play on their phone until time for the next test, what do you think most students will do?

**Neverna** · 22-03-2017, 02:36 PM

I doubt many are surprised at this "news".

**Thai3** · 22-03-2017, 09:22 PM

We see the results of Thai education almost every time we have a problem with companies like the Banks, True internet, AIS etc. Like today at True last month we changed the plan at their suggestion as you get faster speed for the same price, result a cock up with the billing and incomprehensible account sent with figures which seem illogical at best, also they have not sent a new remote ordered the last time we went in.

In most other countries this would have taken 5 minutes to sort out and explain, 45 minutes later and with the help of a supervisor we were still no wiser. As for the remote that was never sent as the man who dealt with it had buggered off to become a monk, nothing to do with True then

Similar at AIS over a faulty bill, 30 mins of lights out shutters down and the Bank who started taking money out of my account because they claimed I rang up and asked them to, never phoned them or any other Bank here, that was 30 mins as well, still unresolved as they never called us with the final explanation.

It could be poor training or just stupid staff but I believe the problem is they just cannot think or analyse or problem solve one any more than they can add up without the help of a calculator. This is because they have not been taught how to think, only what to think. Their education has been little more than regurgitation, form filling and box ticking. Pretty sure all these people have 'degrees' as well, kids in 7/11 often have more sense.

**Luigi** · 22-03-2017, 09:25 PM

^ Thai multitasking: Existing and thinking at the same time.

**thaimeme** · 22-03-2017, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Luigi

It's not fair.

They need to test them on marching, chanting, flag waving, and other activities that the 1930's Nazi Youth excelled at.

Math, Science and English?? What good are they for Thai people!

Which begs the question. How do the OP scores compare with those 5 years ago?

...or even 50 years ago.

**tomcat** · 22-03-2017, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

O-Net tests

Who are the test writers?
What is their training/background/experience?
Who grades the tests? Machines? (Who programs them?) Humans (what is their training?)
Have the tests been normed?
Is there any correlation between the tests and what is taught in Thai classrooms?

...or is all this a make-work exercise to use up a budget at the MinofEd?

**CaptainNemo** · 22-03-2017, 11:20 PM

^
It's a feedback loop...

**Neverna** · 22-03-2017, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by misskit

O-Net tests

Who are the test writers?
What is their training/background/experience?
Who grades the tests?

NIETS - The National Institute of Educational Testing Service.

http://www.niets.or.th/upload-files/...2226c1a536.pdf

http://www.niets.or.th/en/

**tomcat** · 23-03-2017, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

NIETS - The National Institute of Educational Testing Service.

I understand the bureaucratic set up to disburse a budget...but I question the quality of the background, training and experience of those implementing it...

**OhOh** · 23-03-2017, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by tomcat

I understand the bureaucratic set up to disburse a budget

Salary based on budget size, a worldwide phenomena. Some expect results from budget expenditure, others believe the fake promises and never delivered objectives.

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