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    1976 Thammasat Massacre 40 Years Later


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    Who could ever forget the sheer barbarism committed by the Thai military? It strikes to the heart of civilized people.

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    Pretty horrific

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    Is the man holding the pistol with the cigarette in his mouth, Prayuth?

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    Nothing has changed !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Is the man holding the pistol with the cigarette in his mouth, Prayuth?
    I was thinking the same. Looks like him, but if so he hasn't aged a day in 40 odd years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Is the man holding the pistol with the cigarette in his mouth, Prayuth?
    No. He's a Police General (Lieutenant Colonel at the time), hence the police uniform. His name is Salang Boonak. It's a very famous photo. This photo, and the other hok tulaa photos, are regularly posted on TD, normally on the anniversary. Not entirely sure what prompted yet another thread on this subject.


    Anybody remember that cvnt Samak, one of the main instigators of the massacre, claiming that there was only one death?

    BTW Prayuth was 21 at the time of the Thammasat massacre.
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    Was there some extra crime someone actually pinned on the protesters who were degraded so vilely, even after they died ?

    Lese Majeste ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by textalk View Post
    Who could ever forget the sheer barbarism committed by the Thai military? It strikes to the heart of civilized people.
    Wasn't just the military. Paramilitary org's like the Village Scouts, Red Gaurs, Nawaphon, then the BiB and indeed monarchy played a big role in 76's Hateweek epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by textalk View Post
    Who could ever forget the sheer barbarism committed by the Thai military? It strikes to the heart of civilized people.
    Wasn't just the military. Paramilitary org's like the Village Scouts, Red Gaurs, Nawaphon, then the BiB and indeed monarchy played a big role in 76's Hateweek epic.

    As they did also during the equally nasty riots/massacres of 1973 and 1992.

    And all in the name of [maintained/supported by]............

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by textalk View Post
    Who could ever forget the sheer barbarism committed by the Thai military? It strikes to the heart of civilized people.
    Wasn't just the military. Paramilitary org's like the Village Scouts, Red Gaurs, Nawaphon, then the BiB and indeed monarchy played a big role in 76's Hateweek epic.

    As they did also during the equally nasty riots/massacres of 1973 and 1992.

    And all in the name of [maintained/supported by]............
    Not forgetting 2010. A larger death toll than 1973, 1976, and 1992 put together and a massacre loudly cheered on by many on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Not forgetting 2010. A larger death toll than 1973, 1976, or 1992 put together and a massacre loudly cheered on by many on this forum.
    Couldn't agree more.. excellent post.

    Let's not forget (I certainly can't) E Ape-sut and E Suthep who were responsible for authorising the use of live fire against protesters.

    Execution style (head shots) on innocent civilians... disgraceful indeed.
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    Ignorant farm boys, brutalized during their military training, then given a rifle, strict orders and a dose of bullshit about how bad protesters are. Works every time, no matter which country you're in.

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    ^ There is some (perhaps a lot) of truth to that.

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    Tibet,Khmer Rouge,Sharpeville,Bloody Sunday, Kent State the planet of the apes, often ignored mass murders of Arabs in France which defines the current conflicts.

    When French police turned on Algerian protesters ? and why it matters after Paris attacks | The Independent

    In 1961 Maurice Papon, a Nazi collaborator who had willingly played a key role in the deportation of more than 1,600 Jewish French citizens to concentration camps during the Second World War, was head of the Parisian police forces and imposed a curfew on all French-Algerians. Denouncing this as racist, the FLN called on its supporters to hold a peaceful protest. A quarter of French Algerians participated, with the support of many French citizens of European descent.

    Acting with Papon’s blessing, and his explicit promise that they would enjoy impunity, police responded with an orgy of violence. Many removed their badges, to make them less identifiable. Anyone with olive skin became a target; not only French-Algerians but many people of Tunisian, Moroccan, Spanish and Italian origin were also beaten and murdered.

    Of course Ageria itself was full of outrages until Iraq passed previous levels of internal violence after its "Liberation'
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    ^ I wasn't highlighting the event to imply it doesn't happen elsewhere... merely because it's a Thai forum and it has been 40 years since the massacre...

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    It is salutary to note that many of those who were identified as concentration camp commanders in Nazi Germany and many of the Pol Pot ruling cadre were not punished for their crimes or if they were it was merely notional.

    The human condition is mired in the sewage of its evolution and can never rise above tha barbarian, not least because stupidity is such an imperative in its behaviour.

    In relation to the Thai, they are no different except perhaps more stupid than the average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Is the man holding the pistol with the cigarette in his mouth, Prayuth?
    No. He's a Police General (Lieutenant Colonel at the time), hence the police uniform. His name is Salang Boonak. It's a very famous photo. This photo, and the other hok tulaa photos, are regularly posted on TD, normally on the anniversary. Not entirely sure what prompted yet another thread on this subject.


    Anybody remember that cvnt Samak, one of the main instigators of the massacre, claiming that there was only one death?

    BTW Prayuth was 21 at the time of the Thammasat massacre.
    Yes, it was almost 40 years ago....but it's strikingly similar so I asked.

    Thanks for the info on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    In relation to the Thai, they are no different except perhaps more stupid than the average.
    Yet those who commited those crimes in Thailand are still in power. Not so stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Yet those who commited those crimes in Thailand are still in power.
    Some are but one of major significance is no longer with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Yet those who commited those crimes in Thailand are still in power.
    Some are but one of major significance is no longer with us.
    Yep....

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    Free at last, free at last,,,,,well not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by textalk View Post
    Free at last, free at last,,,,,well not really.

    A great jump in populous mindsets is required...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Yet those who commited those crimes in Thailand are still in power.
    Some are but one of major significance is no longer with us.
    Two of the most significant still are and of those two one will be around for a long time to come. BTW, the Theme Song of the Time, from a thread several years back when the song enjoyed a brief resurgence.

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    Anybody got the lyrics to "Scum of the Earth"? Sounds like it could be quite catchy. We might have a real hit on our hands.
    I know you're taking the piss but this song has a truly horrible history. This was the theme tune to the 1976 Massacre. It's catchy, just like the Horst Wessel song. It was constantly played on the radio in 1976 and is the anthem of murderous Thai nationalism. It's theme is that any Thai who does not toe the line is not really Thai and deserves to be killed, much the same as the Al-Qaeda policy that any muslim who doesn't support them is not a real Muslim and is not covered by the Koranic restriction on killing Muslims.

    I see that some people on this thread are surprised by this "change" in the PAD, I can only assume that those people are either illiterate, deaf, or prisoners of their own prejudice as there has been no change whatsoever. The PAD are the direct descendants of the Krathing Daeng and the Village Scouts and murder, violence, and repression in the name of the three pillars have always been at the core of their policies. I'm sure that the same posters would have supported the Khmer Rouge in their time as a decent, honest, and populist force against the corruption of the then cambodian government.

    Anyway, the song, it's called "Nak Paendin". Considering the source and history of the song I find the lyrics dreadfully ironic.

    คนใดใช้ชื่อไทยอยู่ กายก็ดูเหมือนไทยด้วยกัน
    ได้อาศัยโพธิ์ทองแผ่นดินของราชันย์ แต่ใจมันยังเฝ้าคิดทำลาย

    คนใดเห็นไทยเป็นทาส ดูถูกชาติเชื้อชนถิ่นไทย
    แต่ยังฝังทำกิน กอบโกยสินไทยไป เหยียดคนไทยเป็นทาสของมัน

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    หนักแผ่นดิน หนักแผ่นดิน คนเช่นนี้เป็นคนหนักแผ่นดิน (หนักแผ่นดิน!)
    หนักแผ่นดิน หนักแผ่นดิน คนเช่นนี้เป็นคนหนักแผ่นดิน (หนักแผ่นดิน!)

    คนใดยุยงปลุกปั่น ไทยด้วยกันหวังให้แตกกระจาย
    ปลุกระดมมวลชนให้สับสนวุ่นวาย เพื่อคนไทยแบ่งฝ่ายรบกันเอง

    คนใดหลงชมชาติอื่น ชาติเดียวกันเขายืนข่มเหง
    ได้สินทรัพย์เจือจานก็ประหารไทยกันเอง ทีชาติอื่นเกรงดังญาติของมัน

    (สร้อย)

    คนใดขายตนขายชาติ ได้โอกาสชี้ทางให้ศัตรู
    เข้าทลายพลังไทยให้สลายทางสู้ เมื่อศัตรูโจมจู่เสียทีมัน

    คนใดคิดร้ายราวี ประเพณีของไทยไม่ต้องการ
    เกื้อหนุนอคติ เชื่อลัทธิอันธพาล แพร่นำมันมาบ้านเมืองเรา

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    My Very Approximate Translation (it's very difficult to translate , the author deliberately uses words with many meanings and references to Thai stories and myths so the song has a number of levels of meaning)
    They look like Thais and they call themselves Thai
    Living under the shade of the King's golden Bodhi Tree
    But they only want to destroy
    They see the Thais as slaves, they despise the Thais
    But they enslave the Thais and live on their wealth


    (Chorus) Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth


    They admire the foreigner, they arouse the mob
    They make Thais fight each other, splitting and confusing the people
    They kill Thais so they can steal their wealth
    They love foreigners as if they were their own family


    (Chorus) Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth


    Anybody who sells the nation, opening the way to the enemy
    Sapping our spirit and our will, making us weak so the enemy can destroy us
    Anybody who hates Thai tradition and Thai Ways, we do not want him.
    They despise religion, they are immoral people who spread filth in our villages


    (Chorus) Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth




    Quote Originally Posted by Thongchai Winichakul
    The public were first worried, then scared off by the polarizing politics and violence. They gradually turned away from both confronting forces. This deprived the left wing of popular support, a vital element for the radical student movement. Meanwhile military propaganda had dehumanized the radical students, labeling them ‘scum of the earth’ (nak phaendin), the enemy of the “Nation, Religion and the Monarchy”, or lackeys of communist aliens (Vietnam in particular).

    A right-wing monk asserted that killing of leftists was not a religious sin since it killed the Evil One (Mara) (Keyes 1978:153). In retrospect, the eradication of the radicals and the return of military rule might have been inevitable. Yet, that brutality of that Wednesday morning was far beyond anybody’s anticipation. Our morals and political optimism had held our imagination in check. But reality is never kind. That morning’s stark events remain incomprehensible to many people’s minds.

    From two o’clock in the morning of 6 October l976, police and raging paramilitary groups co-operatively surrounded Thammasat University, where four to five thousand people had gathered peacefully all night to protest the return of one of the former dictators ousted three years earlier. Occasionally throughout the night, gunfire from personal handguns was heard from time to time, and self-made explosive devices were thrown into campus buildings. It was a very tense morning, two days after two activists had been hanged while putting up protest posters, and only hours after a student theatrical skit re-enacting the hanging had been accused by the military of staging a satire of the hanging of the Crown Prince in effigy. Students were never given an opportunity to rebut this allegation in public. By sunrise, it was already too late.

    At 5:30 am, a rocket-propelled bomb was fired into the crowd inside Thammasat. Four were killed instantly and dozens injured. That bomb signaled the beginning of the non-stop discharge of military weapons that went on until about 9 a.m. Anti-tank missiles were fired into the Commerce building which by then sheltered a third of the crowd. Outside the university, after the besieging forces had stormed into the campus, they dragged some students out. Lynching began. Two were tortured, hanged and beaten even after death on the trees encircling Sanam Luang, the huge public space that separates Thammasat and the Grand Palace by only a two minute walking distance.

    A female student, chased until she fell to the ground, was sexually assaulted and tortured until she died. Inside the campus, apart from the unknown number of casualties from weapons, more were lynched. A student leader, Jaruphong Thongsin, a friend of mine, was dragged along the soccer field by a piece of cloth around his neck. Later, six bodies were laid on the ground at Sanam Luang for a man to nail wooden stakes into their chests. On the street in front of the Ministry of Justice, on the other side of Sanam Luang opposite Thammasat, four bodies -- unknown if being already dead or still alive--were piled up with tires, soaked with petrol, and then set aflame. These brutal murders took place as a public spectacle. Many of the onlookers, including young boys, clapped their hands in joy.


    Quoted from:
    “We Do Not Forget the 6 October"
    The 1996 Commemoration of the October 1976 Massacre in Bangkok
    Presented at the workshop on “Imagining the Past, Remembering the Future”
    Cebu, the Philippines, March 8-10, 2001
    Thongchai Winichakul
    University of Wisconsin-Madison



    http://www.2519.net/newweb/doc/englisharticle/we.doc


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    It was a very tense morning, two days after two activists had been hanged while putting up protest posters, and only hours after a student theatrical skit re-enacting the hanging had been accused by the military of staging a satire of the hanging of the Crown Prince in effigy. Students were never given an opportunity to rebut this allegation in public. By sunrise, it was already too late.


    Ah !

    I thought something like this might have happened. Nothing like an accusation of disrespect to the crown to inflame Thai emotions.

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