Thread: Bombs in four provinces since Thursday night

Hollywood has an awful lot to answer for, Prag.

Originally Posted by kmart

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

If they wanted to do real damage especially to the tourist industry they would plant bombs in areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and Walking Street in Pattaya. The carnage would be huge.
This Hua Hin bombing is more symbolic with the king having a home there than an attempt to commit mass murder.

Yep. Cue sweeping new military powers to "defend the monarchy" and beef up the already insane LM laws.

Exactly

Originally Posted by misskit

^^ It is still terrorism, no matter who did it.

Yes, I don't disagree, but the discussion was regarding "Fkuc 'em, go out anyway because they want you to stay in".
My point is that the Southern insurgents do not have that on their mind. Their total focus is on retribution against the police and army, and reminding them that it can happen anywhere, any time.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Could have been an inside job giving the military reason to tighten its control in the country ?

Yes, the false flag scenario has been tabled in this thread, and in my mind is not off the table.
Having said that, if it was a false flag for the purposes you suggest, I think just one bomb would give them enough excuse, and I also think that the one bomb would have been in BKK.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Aside from the chaos and gridlock when these things happen, it's a fallacy regarding "That's just what they want you to do" in the case of these southern insurgents.

Politely, I don't know how you can conclude that. The sole purpose of terrorism is to disrupt a militarily superior enemy. These attacks are clearly aimed at harming Thailand by disrupting tourism/the economy, they serve no military objective.

Anyway, Happy Mother's Day to your Mrs. and I hope the two of you have a nice evening.

Cheers.
I respectfully disagree.
Most of the southern insurgent's bombs are either directly aimed at harming police or military, and not to terrorise the populace, or aimed to make a point, as with today. Although there were casualties, these were piddly little bombs that are more about bark than bite.

I respectfully disagree , how many school teachers and Monks have been killed in the South? and how many Buddhist schools have been burned to the ground in the last decade or so . I would suggest you do a little research http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...049122230.html read this and BTW welcome to the REAL World .

I suppose it was only a matter of time before some idiot mentioned " ISIS".

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What about the bill, I can't dine and dash, it's not my style.

At least you haven't lost your humour

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Aside from the chaos and gridlock when these things happen, it's a fallacy regarding "That's just what they want you to do" in the case of these southern insurgents.

Politely, I don't know how you can conclude that. The sole purpose of terrorism is to disrupt a militarily superior enemy. These attacks are clearly aimed at harming Thailand by disrupting tourism/the economy, they serve no military objective.

Anyway, Happy Mother's Day to your Mrs. and I hope the two of you have a nice evening.

Cheers.
I respectfully disagree.
Most of the southern insurgent's bombs are either directly aimed at harming police or military, and not to terrorise the populace, or aimed to make a point, as with today. Although there were casualties, these were piddly little bombs that are more about bark than bite.

I respectfully disagree , how many school teachers and Monks have been killed in the South? and how many Buddhist schools have been burned to the ground in the last decade or so .

I take your point, and it is valid.
I think there is confusion. There are indeed Islamists using the separatist movement as their rally cry. There are so many little off-shoot organisations down here!
I think you will find that the genuine separatists, although Muslim, do not go for Islamist BS. This is why it's so hard to negotiate, because there are differing agendas. But I'm pretty sure the majority are not Islamist.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I suppose it was only a matter of time before some idiot mentioned " ISIS".

Or an even BIGGER idiot bringing in the name IRA.

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

If they wanted to do real damage especially to the tourist industry they would plant bombs in areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok

Two nights ago sitting in the Jools Bar in Soi 4 Bangkok speaking with the owner about the very same subject.

There are so many Arab and muslim tourist there at the moment I doubt anything will happen until they are gone.

Such a fucked up world we live in.

^^Surely, not even you can be that stupid?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I think you will find that the genuine separatists, although Muslim, do not go for Islamist BS.

The british and the russians intelligence agencies say different.

Hope their wrong !

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I suppose it was only a matter of time before some idiot mentioned " ISIS".

Just considering options. Both extension of the southern insurgency and political discontent make very little sense.

See my edit to the post.

Suthep believes attacks politically motivated

Chairman of People’s Democratic Reform Foundation (PDRF) Suthep Thaugsuban Friday said he believed the motives behind spate of bomb attacks in Thailand were politics.

"The perpetrators wanted to create panic among people and wanted the people to think that the government is incompetent. As a result, we need to support the government," he said.

He urged his PDRF members nationwide to support Prime Minister Prayut Can-o-cha to go through the crisis.

His comment came after the string of bomb attacks targeting Thailand’s tourist locations that have killed three people and more than 40 injured.

Suthep believes attacks politically motivated - The Nation

The South are not doctrinally Islamic to the degree they want a Caliphate extending throughout the middle east and western Europe, they want a separate state of Pattani, to be self - governing and to be independent of Bangkok. ISIS just isn't in their game although that doesnt exclude folk from upping stumps and going on some jihad or other for the craic.

To mount a campaign widening the conflict to threaten the interests and the security of the junta is logical. To confine that to the southern districts of Phuket, Hua Hin etc but avoiding Bangkok and Pattaya is again logical since they can better avoid detection if they keep their lines of communication short and reduce the time they spend outside the normal sphere of their operations. Bangkok and Pattaya are risky targets involving exposure to chance encounters with law enforcement and detection by CCTV which is now omnipresent in those cities - Pak Thai don't do suicide missions.

If it isn't the Southern insurgency, then who is it?

The False Flag bullshit is plain daft since it serves no purpose whatsoever - Prayuth is selling himself to the people on the basis that they now have stability etc and, in any event, the army has total control of pretty much everything it wants so generating more support for himself is quite otiose. He has absolute power as it is.

Is it the other political faction? To mount this sort of concerted, well coordinated operation requires an organisation with watertight security and the resources to plan and execute according to a complex communication network. It simply doesn't have that capability.

It has to be the South but they haven't claimed responsibility but then, who has heard anything of their command structure, their leadership, their policies, their doctrine or their willingness to negotiate a settlement with Bangkok? The Thai simply do not permit any discussion whatsoever.

Ah well.

Under the current constitution, article 44 gives the junta unlimited powers. What additional power or advantage will they gain by blowing up Hua Hin? It's ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense to think that the army would do this.

It's also massively unlikely that anyone motivated by an interest in national politics is going to go and kill tourists. It's just never going to happen, despite the masturbatory fantasies of Thaivisa สลิ่ม.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The South are not doctrinally Islamic to the degree they want a Caliphate extending throughout the middle east and western Europe, they want a separate state of Pattani, to be self - governing and to be independent of Bangkok. ISIS just isn't in their game although that doesnt exclude folk from upping stumps and going on some jihad or other for the craic.

To mount a campaign widening the conflict to threaten the interests and the security of the junta is logical. To confine that to the southern districts of Phuket, Hua Hin etc but avoiding Bangkok and Pattaya is again logical since they can better avoid detection if they keep their lines of communication short and reduce the time they spend outside the normal sphere of their operations. Bangkok and Pattaya are risky targets involving exposure to chance encounters with law enforcement and detection by CCTV which is now omnipresent in those cities - Pak Thai don't do suicide missions.

If it isn't the Southern insurgency, then who is it?

The False Flag bullshit is plain daft since it serves no purpose whatsoever - Prayuth is selling himself to the people on the basis that they now have stability etc and, in any event, the army has total control of pretty much everything it wants so generating more support for himself is quite otiose. He has absolute power as it is.

Is it the other political faction? To mount this sort of concerted, well coordinated operation requires an organisation with watertight security and the resources to plan and execute according to a complex communication network. It simply doesn't have that capability.

It has to be the South but they haven't claimed responsibility but then, who has heard anything of their command structure, their leadership, their policies, their doctrine or their willingness to negotiate a settlement with Bangkok? The Thai simply do not permit any discussion whatsoever.

Ah well.

Yeah your post to me anyway spells it out clear and concise .

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

If they wanted to do real damage especially to the tourist industry they would plant bombs in areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and Walking Street in Pattaya. The carnage would be huge.
This Hua Hin bombing is more symbolic with the king having a home there than an attempt to commit mass murder.

Politely disagree, Hua Hin is one of the places where quality high spending tourists and their families who have done their research and planned their trip well go. This will be more harmful to the tourist industry by discouraging quality tourists.

Disgusting act, hope whoever did this is caught.

While these quality tourists are ambling around gentile Hua Hin, treble the amount of tourists all be it low quality are packed into Nana, Cowboy and Walking Street....If you want mass causalities thats where you would hit. A small area with a high volume of people

You folk are just so parochial in your thinking and quite up your own fundaments to the degree you can only see jack shit.

How many fucking times do you have to be told, the number of western tourists visiting Thailand is dwarfed by the millions of Chinese, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, Indonesians and Flippers.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Maanaam

And Phang Nga, and more in Bangkok.

We were planning on going out to dinner tonight in the central city. Think we might postpone the date.

That's what the terrorists want you to do. Fuck them, go out and enjoy yourselves, besides the restaurants will be a lot less crowded. Just stay more alert than usual.

Err, Bob, you are an American. Americans haven't the faintest idea of what it is like to live with the omnipresent threat of terrorism focused on civilian targets over a sustained period of time such as, say, 30 years, the duration of the IRA murderous campaign in the province of Ulster and on the UK mainland (incidentally, a campaign funded in the US by the gangsters and so-called Irish immigrant "patriots" of Noraid in the 1970s-80s).

The IRA didnt focus on civilians. Their modus operandi was to hit military, political and economics targets. Civilians would however get inevitably caught up in the cross fire... The Loyalist death squads did however focus on civilians. Any Catholic was a target regardless of their background.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

To confine that to the southern districts of Phuket, Hua Hin etc but avoiding Bangkok and Pattaya is again logical since they can better avoid detection if they keep their lines of communication short and reduce the time they spend outside the normal sphere of their operations. Bangkok and Pattaya are risky targets involving exposure to chance encounters with law enforcement and detection by CCTV which is now omnipresent in those cities - Pak Thai don't do suicide missions.
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Yeah, because keeping a low profile in Hua Hin, a city of less than 100,000 population is so much more sensible than mingling in Bangkok with its 6.5 MILLION people.

Tell that to the families of the Kingsmills murders.

^^^^ True, that. Of white tourists, fat, ugly, Brits comprise the biggest single group but last year 8.5 times as many Chinese came to Thailand. You think thete are lots of Aussies here? Four times as many Malaysians came here in 2015. Why is it that so many white people are entirely blind to the rest of the world?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Could have been an inside job giving the military reason to tighten its control in the country ?

The Southern insurgents may have done so that people will blame the Government for a false flag operation and thus the Government will lose support ?