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    It's perfectly reasonable to bring in a scapegoat to implement the decisions you know that you need to make but are afraid to.

    Like cancelling all the fucking freebies the parasites enjoy while sucking the lifeblood out of the airline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    At last!
    Get someone with some brain and real experience in operating an airline is the best thing Thai airways could do
    Indeed.
    Hopefully the trend will continue.
    If Thailand starts to accept top level help from the best in their fields internationally the country will really take off.

    I believe it's happening. But slowly.

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    Sure Dapper, will the thai accept the hard decisions coming from a foreigner "who-do-not-understand-thailand"? providing the foreigner do not lose his courage (and temper) when he start to undrestand thai working habits and so on...?


    Agree with others, the developpment of gulf companies (Emirates, etihad, qatar ...) striked hard on national companies proposing direct flights from european countries (Thai airways and main european companies : british airways, air france, lufthansa etc )

    I think that some of these companies, thai airways included, failed to improve and even to maintain their services and prices considering that direct flights was a competitive advantage... history proved them wrong as more and more people seem willing to get a 2 or 3 hours stop, hopefully for the traditional companies the gulf companies tend to set higher prices than a few years ago, considering that they already attract enough customers ...

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    I switched to Emirates in 2003 when a Thai flight I took was simply miserable.
    No seat back entertainment, just a tv that opened out from the ceiling above several aisles with one choice of movie.

    Last flight I took to London, announcement says ''we regret we cannot show any entertainment on this flight, sorry'' Then a click.
    I don't sleep on flights so the option of reading the same magazines over and over again became a reality.

    I vowed never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    At last!
    Get someone with some brain and real experience in operating an airline is the best thing Thai airways could do
    Indeed.
    Hopefully the trend will continue.
    If Thailand starts to accept top level help from the best in their fields internationally the country will really take off.

    I believe it's happening. But slowly.
    Not buying it.
    Don't think it'll ever correct itself - Farang intervention, or not.

    I believe it's been too late for some time.
    Remembering who the controllers are.

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    I wish him every success.

    Last edited by Lostandfound; 12-01-2016 at 10:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay
    Sure Dapper, will the thai accept the hard decisions coming from a foreigner "who-do-not-understand-thailand"? providing the foreigner do not lose his courage (and temper) when he start to undrestand thai working habits and so on...?
    I see a definite distinction between the old-skool execs who are even slightly bitter that in their day they had no chance to travel the world. They are bitter and nationalistic in a very myopic way.

    The new generation of middle class youngsters have traveled and enjoyed. Most importantly, they've imbibed in a calm and humble way. They understand the stance of their fore-bearers and the massively relevant current need to retain their independence. Yet at the same time they realise and understand the massive importance of the "global" world and the need to be world class. And that naturally leads to welcoming the best - in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay
    Sure Dapper, will the thai accept the hard decisions coming from a foreigner "who-do-not-understand-thailand"? providing the foreigner do not lose his courage (and temper) when he start to undrestand thai working habits and so on...?
    I see a definite distinction between the old-skool execs who are even slightly bitter that in their day they had no chance to travel the world. They are bitter and nationalistic in a very myopic way.

    The new generation of middle class youngsters have traveled and enjoyed. Most importantly, they've imbibed in a calm and humble way. They understand the stance of their fore-bearers and the massively relevant current need to retain their independence. Yet at the same time they realise and understand the massive importance of the "global" world and the need to be world class. And that naturally leads to welcoming the best - in all formats.

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    Think you may be referring to a troubleshooter.


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's perfectly reasonable to bring in a scapegoat to implement the decisions you know that you need to make but are afraid to.

    Like cancelling all the fucking freebies the parasites enjoy while sucking the lifeblood out of the airline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay
    The guy may have (and cause) hard times getting the airline straight by removing special benefits to Army Generals, Monk, and other Puu Yai etc. That would be a start but won't be sufficient...
    These 'special benefits' would contribute only a tiny amount to the overall woes of the airline.
    Malaysia Airlines appointed a German CEO to get the m out of their troubles (many also entrenched 'priviledges' by the Malay crowd), let's see if Thai can edge toward the same dirdection

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    Same mindset as Saudi Arabia bringing in foreing experts to do everything. The French to build roads, the Germans for engineering, Americans and UK companies to manage health care and so on. BUT, around 1985 they started thinking they could educate their own citizens to do these high level jobs. BIG mistake IMO and I wonder if Thailand is starting down this road. Only time will tell.

    Either way, I do not think the Thais can handle having a foreigner telling them how to do things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay
    Sure Dapper, will the thai accept the hard decisions coming from a foreigner "who-do-not-understand-thailand"? providing the foreigner do not lose his courage (and temper) when he start to undrestand thai working habits and so on...?
    I see a definite distinction between the old-skool execs who are even slightly bitter that in their day they had no chance to travel the world. They are bitter and nationalistic in a very myopic way.

    The new generation of middle class youngsters have traveled and enjoyed. Most importantly, they've imbibed in a calm and humble way. They understand the stance of their fore-bearers and the massively relevant current need to retain their independence. Yet at the same time they realise and understand the massive importance of the "global" world and the need to be world class. And that naturally leads to welcoming the best - in all formats.
    Obviously that's why you're barred from the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Either way, I do not think the Thais can handle having a foreigner telling them how to do things.
    You're quite right . . . in the Gulf States the locals didn't take orders either as the workers are Indian, Palestinian etc....

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    I dread the day he starts criticising & yelling in frustration during a boardroom meeting. Wonder how long before that happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper
    Obviously that's why you're barred from the country
    eh ?


    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat
    I dread the day he starts criticising & yelling in frustration during a boardroom meeting. Wonder how long before that happens
    How many boardroom meetings have you been privy to DJPrat?

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    ^Seeing as you're obviouly a superior being, I bet you've been privy to thousands

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    A professional structure doesn't really accommodate 'criticising & yelling in frustration' these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    A professional structure doesn't really accommodate 'criticising & yelling in frustration' these days
    You assume TG has "professional structure" at board level.



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Either way, I do not think the Thais can handle having a foreigner telling them how to do things.
    You're quite right . . . in the Gulf States the locals didn't take orders either as the workers are Indian, Palestinian etc....
    Shows what you know about the Gulf States (i.e. very little).

    Much of the workforce are locals, and the ones that work for me have no problem doing what I ask.

    Many companies have expats in senior positions. It (generally) cuts down the opportunity for corruption.

    Of course over the years a few have taken a backhander to allow the real thieving to go on.

    I personally know one supplier to a very, very large company who has a few of their native execs over for dinner once a month in order to ply them with hookers, booze and money in return for guaranteed contracts.

    Palestinians (and Lebanese) in particular are very prone to sticking their snouts in the trough also.

    I've personally been offered bribes a few times over the years and in every case have had their company thrown off our suppliers list (criminal prosecution is never an option, they don't like to publicise that this goes on even though it is almost an accepted way of doing business here).

    Most Arabs know that if there is a pinky at the top, he's been put there to stamp out these shenanigens.

    Of course there have been exceptions over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Shows what you know about the Gulf States (i.e. very little).
    Thanks. I'll remember that when I do my next round of Qatar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oman etc . . like I have in the past 20 years or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Much of the workforce are locals
    Perhaps in Saudi, I haven't been there often, but try to find me a Qatari or Emirati who works a 9-5 at the local Carrefour.
    Abu Dhabi?

    Omanis - yes. No argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one
    Not many people travel Bangkok/Dubai/Australia would you think? So how did he orchestrate stealing from Thai? Please explain.
    Plenty of people fly Bangkok - Australasia. Thai used to be the best of the lower priced airlines in this area (Singapore airlines always better but never competitively priced). In recent years Emirates have been kicking Thai Airways in the butt on this route with better service, better aircraft & better prices.
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    Do Emirates and other rag head carriers make a profit or are they subsidized by their oil rich governments?

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    I think Emirates group only made about $1.6 billion profit in 2014/15. Indeed,this "raghead" organisation, employing over 60,000 staff worldwide, have managed to post profits over 27 consecutive years.

    Dubai isn't "oil rich" by the way.

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    oops wrong thread

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    THAI aims to increase 10 billion baht in revenue and cut costs by 6 billion baht this year

    Thai Airways International is expected to earn an extra revenue of 10 billion baht and, at the same time, cut costs by 6 billion baht.

    THAI president Jarumporn Chotikasathien said Monday that if cabin factor could be increased to 80 percent from 73.9 percent, Thai’s revenue would increase by 10 billion baht without any additional expenses.

    According to the company’s rehabilitation plan, he said the national flag carrier had set a target to reduce costs by 6 percent out of a total of 100 billion baht or 6 billion baht.

    He disclosed that NMS system would be introduced in the management of service routes and flights for optimum efficiency whereas RMS system would be used for the management of ticket pricing so THAI could remain competitive with the other airlines.

    He said he would seek approval from the board for the acquisition of the two systems at an estimated cost of over 100 million baht.

    Mr Jarumporn admitted that although THAI has benefited from oil price slump, it has faced stiff competition from three major competitors from the Middle East and, hence, THAI would have to improve the quality of its services in order to remain competitive.

    THAI aims to increase 10 billion baht in revenue and cut costs by 6 billion baht this year - Thai PBS English News

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