Thread: Expensive Foreign English Teachers To Be Replaced By Thais - Education Ministry

Six out of 43.000 can speak the language they are 'teaching' wtf?

I've known many bar girls (too many) that speak better English than most of the Thai English teachers I worked with.

This story would be funny if were not dooming so many children to a life of ignorance and poverty.

Originally Posted by BobR

I've known many bar girls (too many) that speak better English than most of the Thai English teachers I worked with.

This story would be funny if were not dooming so many children to a life of ignorance and poverty.

Not at all. I know rich Thais who speak little Ingrish and don't need it just like rich Chinese. Only wage slaves need it.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

One might think that by now even the meanest of intelligent would comprehend why their country has the worst English proficiency in the entire region, if not the world.

They truly are a race apart.

I have a Thai friend born and edjucated in Thailand fluent in English and Japanese, it is not the race but the lack of desire.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

it is not the race but the lack of desire.

I would suspect it is more a lack of confidence that they will ever achieve anything in their lives.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Education is simply a casualty and a symptom of their malaise.

Lack of it is the root cause. All else are mere symptoms.

The few elite who can afford it know. They send their kids abroad for education. The vast majority who can't afford it are the casualties. Just the way the elite want it.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

One might think that by now even the meanest of intelligent would comprehend why their country has the worst English proficiency in the entire region, if not the world.

They truly are a race apart.

I have a Thai friend born and edjucated in Thailand fluent in English and Japanese, it is not the race but the lack of desire.

Well, I had a chum who owned a parrot that could swear fluently in French. And your point is?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I suppose it resolves to the Teutonic thread of DNA that permeates US society - " Du ist ein criminal, ja, und ein bad person alvays!".

Immoderation and rigidity do not make for common sense.

We have this in Australia too, and I often ruminate on it....though I've never thought of it as Teutonic. Is it a remnant from our convict past ? Or something transmitted down from English society ?

It seems to be a kind of "punishment mentality", in which people are turned into scapegoats by having negativity projected on them. I feel am occasionally the recipient of this and I resent it !

One example : the wankers in the Queensland police traffic branch now call themselves : Road Policing Command

American English is taught in the schools around where I live. The biggest fcuk up is that the American English teachers aren't American.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

Wages for English teachers in Thailand are a joke... They haven't increased a penny since.. ohh.... 1990.

30 k month (expensive!!) for a qualified native English teacher (with degree/CELTA/TEFL)

I think you have got that mostly wrong Richard.

The part you have got correct is that a TEFLER gets around 30K per month.

But a fully trained University teacher doing his thing in a Bangkok High-So University is pulling in 100 K + a month no probs at all.

These are not TEFLER's but the real deal University trained teachers educated in the real world.

I know one of these guys.

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The theme is about school teachers, tewwy, not hi-so universities.

Originally Posted by terry57

But a fully trained University teacher doing his thing in a Bangkok High-So University is pulling in 100 K + a month no probs at all.

No offence, Terry, but that's utter bollox.

Thai friends with PhDs in their field and 10+ years work experience get under 30,000 at top Thai universities.

Working at Chula, Thammasat or Mahidol, a few foreign lecturers may get 45,000 basic salary and make that up to 60,000 or so with additional courses.

I've earned 100,000 per month, at times, but I was working 6 days a week, often 3 different jobs a day (guest lecturer at decent rates) long days, and moving around a few unis, rushing across town, doing extra post-graduate classes to make that money.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

they had the option of going into a fukin hard and unpleasant job for 9,000 per month or working for a business in Babgkok

Result. Teachers in Thailand and for that matter in many countries are not the best of the best. Same goes for other government professions.

Originally Posted by Norton

Teachers in Thailand and for that matter in many countries are not the best of the best.

The salaries are low. My wife was a teacher and earned about 9,000 baht per month for a 6 day week, 7am to 7pm, loads of marking, they had to clean and paint their classrooms by themselves in the school holidays, etc. Very hard.

The Chula students were potentially some of the best trainee teachers in the country, but could get 3 times the salary working in a company instead. Not a hard choice...

I also taught Thai English teachers for about 6 years - 6 week courses in the summer holidays. These were from Bangkok, so the standard was higher than elsewhere in the country. About 20% could not speak English at all, not a word. About half did not want to be English teachers and had their majors in other subjects, but their school lacked a qualified English teacher so they were forced to do the job. About 25% had quite good English skills and actually taught, at times, in English (the majority taught all the time in Thai), but these teachers had very limited resources; some schools had no aircon, most of them had zero materials or computers/printers to make any, etc. It's a thankless and difficult job with long hours and a terrible salary.

What is so shocking is the cynicism of these leaders --one piece of information that will never be released is what schools and in what countries their own children attend
They fully realise that slaves should not be educated

Originally Posted by Nawtier

just 6 out of 43000 thai english teachers are any good...

That's not what it says.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly94

Six out of 43.000 can speak the language they are 'teaching' wtf?

It doesn't say that either.

It says ...

more than 43,000 Thai English language teachers in public schools, but only six of them have been found to have the ability to achieve native-like fluency in English.

So we can now add some new stats: 2 out of 24 posters in this thread can't understand written English to a very high degree.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Education is simply a casualty and a symptom of their malaise.

Lack of it is the root cause. All else are mere symptoms.

The few elite who can afford it know. They send their kids abroad for education. The vast majority who can't afford it are the casualties. Just the way the elite want it.

that pretty much sums it up, the hiso Thais don't won't the status quo to change , can't get cheap household help then ? Same scenario all over Asia. Philippines is a classic example, 10% of the rich families keeping it in house, Nepotism at it is best.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Hans Mann

Guillaume Langlois

teaches french ?

No, he teaches English - three years ago at Kunnatee Ruttharam Wittayakom School, Bangkok.

Mr. Guillaume Langlois, a French native who has been teaching English at the school for five years, said ...

Thai Education Failures ? Part 4: Dismal English-language training - Asian Correspondent

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by terry57

But a fully trained University teacher doing his thing in a Bangkok High-So University is pulling in 100 K + a month no probs at all.

No offence, Terry, but that's utter bollox.

Thai friends with PhDs in their field and 10+ years work experience get under 30,000 at top Thai universities.

Working at Chula, Thammasat or Mahidol, a few foreign lecturers may get 45,000 basic salary and make that up to 60,000 or so with additional courses.

I've earned 100,000 per month, at times, but I was working 6 days a week, often 3 different jobs a day (guest lecturer at decent rates) long days, and moving around a few unis, rushing across town, doing extra post-graduate classes to make that money.

I know many teachers on 80k....others supposedly on 100k and above....

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Hans Mann

The Education Ministry plans a six-week intensive programme to train 500 Thais to speak and teach English.s

Yup. Six weeks should do it. It's intensive, mind you. Fucking retards.

Yep..
They still don't get it as it applies to the English edu thing.

I suspect they never will.
Mai phen rai.

Originally Posted by Nawtier

I know many teachers on 80k....others supposedly on 100k and above....

Not university teachers, you don't!

Maybe at International Schools; kids education with UK (maybe others will get you there too) school certification - that's where the money is in Thailand. A lowly extra one year on your BA to add a teachers degree will do it. I consider these teachers to be lowly qualified and very limited of their knowledge on the subjects they teach (it's at primary and secondary level...), but that's the best certification to have if you want to earn money as a teacher in Thailand.

A foreigner employed as an associate professor, very few in Thailand, still wouldn't earn 80,000 in Thailand. As an assistant professor I was getting under 50,000...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by terry57

But a fully trained University teacher doing his thing in a Bangkok High-So University is pulling in 100 K + a month no probs at all.

No offence, Terry, but that's utter bollox.

Thai friends with PhDs in their field and 10+ years work experience get under 30,000 at top Thai universities.

Working at Chula, Thammasat or Mahidol, a few foreign lecturers may get 45,000 basic salary and make that up to 60,000 or so with additional courses.

I've earned 100,000 per month, at times, but I was working 6 days a week, often 3 different jobs a day (guest lecturer at decent rates) long days, and moving around a few unis, rushing across town, doing extra post-graduate classes to make that money.

Yeah - B40,000 to B60,000 is the norm for highly qualified tenured types....and rare still for percentage in numbers.

Generally speaking, when it comes to matters Thai, Terry wouldn't know his arse from a hole in the ground.