Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

just... wrong

Par for the course
If it wasn't so serious it would be a monty python skit

Telegraph.co.uk-Sep 21, 2014
Police investigating the brutal murders of two British backpackers in ... that two female tourists were mugged at the same spot the night before. ... While the women were unhurt in the attack,

Anyone have access to the telegraph website won;t accept my details.

Originally Posted by Koojo

What percentage would you call a huge number?
In a country as populous as Thailand a 'huge number' could still be a very small percentage of the population.

No idea, but what percentage of any country really has a clue or cares enough to want things to change? How long did the masses in the Western world tolerate apartheid and women not being treated as equals before something was done about it? That was just a few short years ago relatively speaking. These things take time, and anyone that thinks the Thais aren't aware of themselves and their societies flaws are believing what they need to believe.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Police are threatening to arrest anyone that interferes with the prosecution. More folks from Koh Tao coming out to say they saw the Bangkok kid in the bar the night of the murder. In case you can understand Thai.....

Yes. there was even a veiled threat from the General the other day, about too much criticism of Thai institutions.....

If the "Bangkok kid" was indeed in that bar on the night of the murders and it can somehow be proven, it opens up a whole litany of questions about faked videos, faked university records, bribed witnesses et al.....not to mention the lack of a DNA test or any real scrutiny of someone who started out as a prime suspect.

This is exactly why an independent investigation is needed. The imposed code of silence needs to be broken down once and for all. There are a lot of people withholding information out of fear no doubt.

Maybe enough information will trickle in, and enough witnesses come forward over time to blow this thing open.

^ How can this be? Posters on TD -who don't need to be educated- have decreed that the police force is imminently more powerful than any or all mafia gangs and that DNA can't be manipulated in modern day Thailand

Originally Posted by koman

Maybe enough information will trickle in, and enough witnesses come forward over time to blow this thing open.

Wouldn't that be a bit 'unhealthy' for those witnesses?

Especially since the man has publicly praised the police for their good work?

Face sure is a big deal here in LOS.

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Originally Posted by koman

Maybe enough information will trickle in, and enough witnesses come forward over time to blow this thing open.

Wouldn't that be a bit 'unhealthy' for those witnesses?

Especially since the man has publicly praised the police for their good work?

Face sure is a big deal here in LOS.

That is exactly the problem, but fear is a strange thing...it can paralyze people and hold them in check, but over time it begins to subside and there are sometimes a few people outraged enough to break the silence. It's a bit of a faint hope I suppose considering the nature of Thais society.....but as some have pointed out, they really are not all the same. We shall see.

Koh Tao murder report to go to prosecutors this week: police

Police plan to forward their investigation report on the killing of two British tourists on Koh Tao to public prosecutors this Wednesday.

"We will include DNA test results related to the suspects in our report for the prosecution," Koh Pha-Ngan Police Station's superintendent Colonel Prachum Ruangthong said yesterday.

His police station has jurisdiction over not just Koh Pha-Ngan but also Koh Tao, where the lifeless bodies of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found on the morning of September 15. Semen of two men was found inside the female victim's body, it has been alleged .

Prachum said the DNA test results had nailed down two Myanmar workers on the tourist island, dismissing rumours the two-recently-arrested suspects were scapegoats. "There is solid evidence against them. They are not scapegoats,"

Surat Thani police chief Maj General Apichart Boonsriroj said police had thoroughly investigated this high-profile case.

"As I have joined the investigation, I can assure you the suspects are real culprits," he said. He spoke in response to widespread doubts as to whether police had arrested the two as scapegoats in the hope of ending the case, which had put authorities under huge pressure.

British Ambassador Mark Kent sought a meeting with Thai police chief last week prior to the arrest of the suspects.

An informed source yesterday disclosed that some international organisations had already contacted Thailand's Rights and Liberties Protection Department as they wished to provide the two Myanmar suspects with lawyers.

Koh Tao murder report to go to prosecutors this week: police - The Nation

So where is Sean McAnna what does he answer when asked if the headman's son was at the Bar on the night of the murders? Who if anybody saw the headman's son flying back to Bangkok the morning after?

The General has already publicly stated that the arrested are guilty (see Khaosod), and that the police in charge are to be rewarded.

Junta leader and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha says Thai police will be rewarded for arresting two Burmese workers accused of murdering two British tourists in southern Thailand last month.
"I have checked whether the suspects are truly the perpetrators, and I have received confirmation from the police chief that they cannot be scapegoats because DNA tests have proved their guilt," Gen. Prayuth said.

When a reporter asked PM Prayuth whether he believes tourism will bounce back following the suspects' arrest, Gen. Prayuth, looking visibly irritated, said the arrival of tourists depends on many factors, including seasons and the "situation in the world."

"I ask the media not to mess up the issue. Whenever there's an incident here, the media always ties it with the issues there," Gen. Prayuth told reporters. "Koh Tao isn't the only tourist destination."

Asked whether it is time to repeal martial over tourist areas in Thailand, the junta leader retorted that another "killing" would happen if martial law is revoked.

"Don't ask me about this. Are you dying because of martial law? I don't understand," Gen. Prayuth said angrily.

The case is closed ...

Gone to Far now Prayuth won't do a about turn, to much face to lose.

Originally Posted by steffi2

Who if anybody saw the headman's son flying back to Bangkok the morning after?

The flight list. A Thai would have to produce their ID card to board a flight and the card number registered.

Originally Posted by JayZee

I have received confirmation from the police chief that they cannot be scapegoats because DNA tests have proved their guilt,

This is the pertinent point. If the DNA matches then that is fine. But it would need to match the DNA originally taken from the dead body, and also be shown independently that the DNA taken from the lads is a match. I assume the crime lab in Bangkok has the real genuine samples still, or at least the data from that, so that having been made to jizz into a cup, the accused DNA can not be swapped with the samples taken originally. Problem is that as The Junta Boss has backed it, even the samples in the lab can now not be trusted - too big a loss of face for him so the lads will be executed.

If they did not do it, the legal team need to get them to withdraw their confessions straight away and say they were tortured / coerced with picture proof. That way a full trial must be done. The 3rd man being detained still, who is still claiming his innocence, needs legal support as well. Scared to think of the "intense interrogation" he is being subjected to.

They might well have done it, but I doubt it. Too many loose ends, too much clear proof of torture and corruption. If they knew who did it a week ago, why did they need to try to bribe a taxi driver to be a witness? HE would not be needed if the DNA truly did match up. More likely that the head mans brother and son, along with their copper friend, did indeed give a DNA sample and that was clamined to be the Burma Lads. After all, the results came back in 3 hours from taking the test, which considering it would take about that for the sample to get to the lab in the first place if it was sent by helicopter (which it wasn't), can not be trusted. What did the lab do? Swill it around, take a sniff and say "yup, thats a match?". Or was the samples already there from the week before, and only when they had the Burma lads did they say "you know those samples from two weeks ago with the 1000 baht note wrapped around them? Test them now".

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by steffi2

Who if anybody saw the headman's son flying back to Bangkok the morning after?

The flight list. A Thai would have to produce their ID card to board a flight and the card number registered.

Not needed on a bus or train of course, or indeed a car....

It's now a matter for the Burmese and British governments. If they are content for this farce to continue then so be it.

Thailand is a very dangerous place where justice is meaningless and anyone in authority can pretty much do whatever they like.

Why you wanna worry too mut?

Was reading the other day the labs in BKK don't have the correct international accreditations required for DNA testing.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by JayZee

I have received confirmation from the police chief that they cannot be scapegoats because DNA tests have proved their guilt,

This is the pertinent point. If the DNA matches then that is fine. But it would need to match the DNA originally taken from the dead body, and also be shown independently that the DNA taken from the lads is a match. I assume the crime lab in Bangkok has the real genuine samples still, or at least the data from that, so that having been made to jizz into a cup, the accused DNA can not be swapped with the samples taken originally. Problem is that as The Junta Boss has backed it, even the samples in the lab can now not be trusted - too big a loss of face for him so the lads will be executed.

If they did not do it, the legal team need to get them to withdraw their confessions straight away and say they were tortured / coerced with picture proof. That way a full trial must be done. The 3rd man being detained still, who is still claiming his innocence, needs legal support as well. Scared to think of the "intense interrogation" he is being subjected to.

They might well have done it, but I doubt it. Too many loose ends, too much clear proof of torture and corruption. If they knew who did it a week ago, why did they need to try to bribe a taxi driver to be a witness? HE would not be needed if the DNA truly did match up. More likely that the head mans brother and son, along with their copper friend, did indeed give a DNA sample and that was clamined to be the Burma Lads. After all, the results came back in 3 hours from taking the test, which considering it would take about that for the sample to get to the lab in the first place if it was sent by helicopter (which it wasn't), can not be trusted. What did the lab do? Swill it around, take a sniff and say "yup, thats a match?". Or was the samples already there from the week before, and only when they had the Burma lads did they say "you know those samples from two weeks ago with the 1000 baht note wrapped around them? Test them now".

The lad on the CTV is a dead ringer for the chiefs son who was in Bangkok and Koh Tao at the same time. The guy in the CTV looks nothing like any of the myanmar lads though....

What we know for certain is the guilty are clearly foreigners of some nationality.
"So let it be written so let it be done"

Originally Posted by taxexile

However, all those negative attributes can be found in all races of people (including my own) don't you agree? .

No.

Thais never admit or accept their shortcomings, seeing themselves as faultless and preferring to blame others. Ever tried to correct a Thai? The excuses they manage to come with to justify their position in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is astounding.

Whereas others are capable of learning from their mistakes and therefore improving, people as blinkered and arrogant as the Thai who can never accept that they may be wrong will never learn and will never improve.

Maintaining face is all that counts.



Its amusing as an outsider to observe these childish characteristics, unless of course one gets into any kind of dispute or disagreement with them, which of course is why compromise is such an important part of their primitive culture, compromise ensures no face is lost but sadly also ensures that no fault or responsibility is accepted.

Disputes involving members of Thai societys lower orders are usually settled by violence, because even the concept of compromise can be too difficult for their retarded intelligences to assimilate.

In terms of evolution, the Thai have surely taken a wrong turn and have entered a cul de sac. Interbreeding with westerners and chinese is their only hope.

Right On

I'm with pseudolus on this one...

Don't get me wrong, the culprits may well be those dwarf ninjas - I just get the feeling the real killers are at large and are being protected to keep face.
I don't think we will ever know for sure what happened that night. (Now, if I could only unsee those dreadful images of the poor couple) RIP.

So what's the rub then..? The Myanmar lads are taking the rap in return for a stipend of money to their families, or are they just plain shitting it that they'll be losing their own lives if they don't go along with this..?

Thai police have revealed the fatal mistake made by two men accused of the murder and rape of British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the tranquil holiday island of Koh Tao.

Suspect Zaw Rim, 21, took Miller's phone from his shorts pocket, according to national police chief Somyat Pumpanmuang.
He planned to keep the phone for his personal use before discovering it was not compatible with Thailand's mobile phone networks.
He allegedly then decided to smash the black iPhone 4 before discarding it in his home, the Bangkok Post has reported.

Zaw Rim and Win, both 21, have been detained in Koh Samui prison since Saturday after allegedly admitting that they had raped and killed Ms Witheridge after watching her and Mr Miller hugging and kissing on September 15.
Both workers from Myanmar have been charged with premeditated murder, rape, theft and illegal entry into Thailand.
The men were charged with the murders of both Britons - a charge which carries the death penalty - after their DNA matched samples taken from Ms Witheridge’s body.
The breakthrough followed intense scrutiny of Thai authorities, which was accused - in criticism led by the British media - of bungling the investigation in the days after the crime.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25...fatal-mistake/