Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by koman

Well, now that the blood soaked jeans and the various Ware's have been eliminated from the hunt, we need to find a blond that matches the DNA of those hairs on the phone and in the girls hand.

There are semen samples to match up, and there are three cigarette butts with all kinds of mystery surrounding them. Farangs may not be free and clear just yet....

Time to beef up the investigation. General staff rank is within sight...and national pride may be at stake.......

Except that the 'hairs' clutched in her hand was actually only one hair. With no root so useless for DNA comparison. I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case.

I wonder if DNA testing on the semen will reveal Asian or Caucasian?

^One would think they would have done the semen DNA testing already, when they did the rest.

I would conclude that the lack of information put forth concerning the results is probably indicative of the results not matching up with the BIB's desired result.

From where are these people meant to derive their respect? Their milk of human kindness comes from where – their hand-to-mouth childhoods, their brief but pointless experience at school, one that prepared them inadequately for the dregs of western civilisation?

In any society, there will be those who fail to taske advantage of the opportunities offered and slip through the net.

Fifteen years asgo I visited Cambodia, fully expecting to come up against disadvantaged youth seeking to take advantage by means less than fair.

What I found was vastly different, those working the fringes of the tourist industry, the illegal guides, the motorcycle taxi drivers, the serving staff at bars and the trinket sellers, without exception, all wanted to learn and improve themselves, they were trustworthy, honest, reliable and open minded, never once was I misled or given false information, they were much much poorer, had less formal education but were more intelligent, open minded and receptive and very very different to the eqivalent Thai.

To portray the Thais I referred to in my post as victims of society is wrong.
Thais are clearly taught from a very early age the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, their kindergarten books are full of fables and parables illustrating the right path and the wrong path. Thais have no discipline, no boundaries , arrogantly consider themselves superior and will always blame others for their mistakes. Their personalities are grossly flawed. They are the architects of their own misfortunes, and too blind to see it.

I do agree with you though regarding the drunken antics of tourists and the behaviour of pendulous scrotummed pensioners. Whyever do the Thais put up with it?

Couldnt be money could it?

absquatulate

Underhand move there Moog, slipping that word in, what does it mean?

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

To imply that they are somehow to blame for their own deaths, due to their partying on what is regarded as a party Island is in bad taste to say the least.
It's akin to blaming people for wearing bikinis on a beach (what else should they be wearing, a suit and tie?).

They were just young people, doing as young people do bro, we were all young once ay? live and let live... peace :-)

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

But no way of knowing how long they've been there, how many Thai and others travel through there every day, how many Thai dropped butts as they trampled all over the crime scene for hours. Other than bodily fluids, I believe all other 'evidence' was instantly corrupted by an unsecured crime scene.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

Unless it was stubbed out on one of the bodies, I doubt a fag end is going to prove much at all.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

There were three butts. One had lipstick on it. All three gave up DNA samples, one of which matches the semen on the victim.

Now the thing is, that could mean that two of the butts belonged to the victims...but you would think the reports would say so if that were the case....and also it begs the question; who dropped the third one?

If none of the butts belonged to the victims themselves, that would mean three people, one of which left a semen sample at the crime scene. The problem as always with this kind of case, is the reliability of the information being kicked around.

The problem as always with this kind of case, is the reliability of the information being kicked around.

The only information needed is whether the locals that did this came from or had connections to influential local families. If they did, then the police will happily continue looking for burmese, rohingyas and brits and the culprits will never be brought to justice.

If they were not connected to local influentials, then I suspect they would hsave been caught already. As I have already said, nothing happens on the streets of Thailand without someone seeing or hearing about it and reporting it to the police, and what action the police eventually take has little to do with justice and much to do with self interest.

Indeed, Tax. We have known this from the outset and no clan family member is going to give up his own lightly, and certainly not for the sake of farang.

This is the nature of this crime and eventually, in time, the press in the UK will discover the truth of the matter for themselves. As it is, a supine British embassy has declined to comment throughout this shambles preferring to keep to its usual schlerotic line they do not involve themselves in the legal proceedings of the country even if that means British citizens are preposterously put in the frame by an incompetent officer.

That poor chap Ware has lost his friends in horrifying circumstances and been put through the emotional wringer of being accused by imbeciles of the murder that will doubtless traumatise him for years to come.

^agreed bro,

I Don't imagine the perpetrators were connected to any big wigs though. Their weapon of choice is not usually a rusty old hoe (sounds like my mother) lol

They tend to opt for guns and or expensive cars (thinking back to e-ham) the prick that smashed his car into a random crowd... try hard so called hi-so, don't like to get their mamma boy hands dirty.

Damn! why do I find myself agreeing with Tax and The Gent? haha

Well, if it wasn't the farang, the Thai or the Burmese it must have been those little pixies that dance around that little head of yours that what did it, eh Baldrick?

Har,har.

The guilty party in this tragic incident is the "media".

Failing that, it will always be the foreigners fault syndrome i.e. merely being in their host's country, somehow exonerates the Thai from any culpability.

*Anyone else here dislike being referred to as a 'guest' while living in our 'host' country
where is the vomit icon wa?

What's all the huffing and puffing about over this Ware guy? The BIB questioned him because he had been in very close contact with one of the victims and probably both of them. His departure right after the murder would have automatically alerted the BIB and given them a reason to look him over.

All they did was check him out. WTF would you expect them to do? He was questioned and released just like all the other early suspects. Do you think he should have been immune to investigation because he was British, even though he may have had both opportunity and some kind of motive? That's what the BIB would have had to try and establish one way or another.

Do the British police simply ignore people that have just shared digs with murder victims and then leave the area immediately after the crime?

Considering the amount of whinging about the police in the UK these days, maybe they do....

The BIB are being damned if they do, and damned if they don't by people who really know fuck all about what actually happened and get all their information from the farang boards and the Mirror on line.

No doubt the guy got a scare, but it was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time....shit happens. He was released after questioning, which seems like a strange thing for the BIB to do considering how they are so busy trying to pin this thing on an innocent farang, as is being repeatedly claimed.

Originally Posted by koman

What's all the huffing and puffing about over this Ware guy? The BIB questioned him because he had been in very close contact with one of the victims and probably both of them. His departure right after the murder would have automatically alerted the BIB and given them a reason to look him over.

All they did was check him out. WTF would you expect them to do? He was questioned and released just like all the other early suspects. Do you think he should have been immune to investigation because he was British, even though he may have had both opportunity and some kind of motive? That's what the BIB would have had to try and establish one way or another.

Do the British police simply ignore people that have just shared digs with murder victims and then leave the area immediately after the crime?

Considering the amount of whinging about the police in the UK these days, maybe they do....

The BIB are being damned if they do, and damned if they don't by people who really know fuck all about what actually happened and get all their information from the farang boards and the Mirror on line.

No doubt the guy got a scare, but it was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time....shit happens. He was released after questioning, which seems like a strange thing for the BIB to do considering how they are so busy trying to pin this thing on an innocent farang, as is being repeatedly claimed.

Indeed, it would have been quite easy for the Bib to fit him up via DNA, but don't let reality get in the way of a good Thai bash.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

Falling Rain [brand] most likely in the case of Thai.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

Falling Rain [brand] most likely in the case of Thai.

Actually most Thai I see roll their own, Khrung Thips are for keeneow farang.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

Falling Rain [brand] most likely in the case of Thai.

The brand name has not been released, but whatever it is, the butts are connected to the crime because of the DNA match---unless this information is just more media speculation.
The BIB may have reasons to withhold the brand name. They also have not stated if the cigarettes were smoked by the victims.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that a couple of old cigarette butts are going to break the case

Won't break the case but brand could give a clue. Marlboro more likely a foreigner. Krong Thip more likely a Thai.

There were three butts. One had lipstick on it. All three gave up DNA samples, one of which matches the semen on the victim.

Now the thing is, that could mean that two of the butts belonged to the victims...but you would think the reports would say so if that were the case....and also it begs the question; who dropped the third one?

If none of the butts belonged to the victims themselves, that would mean three people, one of which left a semen sample at the crime scene. The problem as always with this kind of case, is the reliability of the information being kicked around.

Have you considered the possibility that the semen came from one (or both if you know what I mean) of the victims?

The DNA samples have now cleared all 12 suspects in the case.

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