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    Junta keeps US waiting over Cobra Gold

    The Thai military has not responded to an appeal from the United States asking it to rejoin the annual Cobra Gold military exercises, after Washington earlier threatened to relocate the long-standing joint operation to Australia next year in response to the coup in May.

    A high-ranking military source said Thailand had asked the US to explain in writing why it wanted to resume the Cobra Gold exercises with Thailand, after previously suggesting it might shift them elsewhere. The threat was an apparent gesture of opposition to the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO)'s seizure of power on May 22.

    "It was quite a strong reaction from the US in threatening to withdraw the Cobra Gold [exercises] from Thailand, which we are fine with," the military source said.

    "We are ready to conduct military exercises with member countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations [Asean], including Myanmar, along with China and India, which have already said they are ready to take part," he added.

    "The US has submitted a letter saying it will resume Cobra Gold jointly with Thailand, but we have not responded to it. We have asked the US to explain in a written statement why [it wants to resume the exercises]," the source said.

    Read more here: Junta keeps US waiting over Cobra Gold - The Nation

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    This should be interesting. Thailand moving further towards China.Wonder how this will pan out?

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    Foking drama queen...our glorious leader should squash small dicked idiots in positions of power that need to boost their ego by challenging the US not to blink first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Foking drama queen...our glorious leader should squash small dicked idiots in positions of power that need to boost their ego by challenging the US not to blink first.
    Why? Whose country is it?

    US started making threats because their pet Thaksin and his "sister" were ousted yet again, so the Thai military says "go screw yourself". Good on them I reckon

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Foking drama queen...our glorious leader should squash small dicked idiots in positions of power that need to boost their ego by challenging the US not to blink first.
    Why? Whose country is it?

    US started making threats because their pet Thaksin and his "sister" were ousted yet again, so the Thai military says "go screw yourself". Good on them I reckon
    The USA did not make threats, but followed a longstanding policy that precludes non-essential military engagements and financial support of military dictatorships.
    Cobra Gold is a small 11 day exercise that primarily benefits Thailand. It is limited in scope and participants. This year there were seven participating countries, Thailand, U.S., Singapore, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia.

    I doubt the USA is scared by the prospect of the Chinese replacing it as the sponsor as the Chinese aren't going to pump up the economy quite like the Americans. In any case, the , China was a welcome participant at the US sponsored RIMPAC in Hawaii. RIMPAC is a far more important exercise. Twenty-two nations, 49 surface ships, 6 submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel participate in the nearly month long event. Units from Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Colombia, France, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the People’s Republic of China, Peru, the Republic of Korea, the Republic of the Philippines, Singapore, Tonga, the United Kingdom and the United States have been working and training together. This year's highlight are the Chinese hospital ships.

    BTW, Australia has been suggesting for some time that they would like to have an event involving New Zealand, Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia to bolster the efforts to curb human trafficking and illegal fishing in the region as well as to train on disaster preparedness. Seems to me that the resources would be better spent on that, than bolstering a military dictatorship. Thailand needs the USA, the USA does not need Thailand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1
    The USA did not make threats, but followed a longstanding policy that precludes non-essential military engagements and financial support of military dictatorships.
    \

    And then come begging when the Thais say "ok, you not want, no problem".


    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1
    Thailand needs the USA, the USA does not need Thailand.
    Why?

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    ^they threatened to pull all their blackmail and bribery money they flood into Thailand for policy change favourable to US business, of course.


    Anyway why does Thailand NEED the USA, and not vice versa?

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    It seems reasonable to me under the circumstances.

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    sounds like a beat up to me .

    only reference is the OP's article and that simply states a source .

    article turns previous articles regarding Cobra Gold on their heads .

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    actually on searching I found this , dated 27 / 6 /14


    National Council for Peace and Order spokesman Winthai Suvaree yesterday said that the US has not cancelled the 2015 Cobra Gold military exercise in Thailand, and does not plan to move the war games elsewhere as earlier reported.

    Col Winthai said the Thai and US militaries will stick to the original schedule for surveying areas for exercises and hold meetings to discuss details of the war games between July 25-Aug 8.


    Cobra Gold war | Bangkok Post: news

    another point to note is that the above quotes Winthai Suvaree not just a source .

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    OK , it appears this is the basis of the OP article .

    German press agency dpa reported Monday that the US has submitted a letter to Thailand's junta saying it will resume the Cobra Gold war games, based in Chon Buri, jointly with Thailand next year.

    Thailand, however, has not yet responded to the letter, dpa said.


    US may not move war games | Bangkok Post: Most recent

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    Training with the Thai army.

    No thanks.








    Still................compared to other countries......might not be so bad . Thankfully, I'll never have to find out the hard way

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    Perhaps time for the US to re-consider its long-term relationship with Thailand. There are surely better friends in the neighbourhood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Perhaps time for the US to re-consider its long-term relationship with Thailand. There are surely better friends in the neighbourhood?
    Sure there are but nothing wrong in making more than one friend, and anyway Thailand is a central and major player in SEAsia and ASEAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Perhaps time for the US to re-consider its long-term relationship with Thailand. There are surely better friends in the neighbourhood?
    Sure there are but nothing wrong in making more than one friend, and anyway Thailand is a central and major player in SEAsia and ASEAN.
    Indeed which is why the US needs Thailand more than Thailand needs the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid
    Perhaps time for the US to re-consider its long-term relationship with Thailand. There are surely better friends in the neighbourhood?
    A few will smile and nod to get the dosh - but there are no "friends" of the US in Asia.

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    The USA has no friends. It has clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Waid
    Perhaps time for the US to re-consider its long-term relationship with Thailand. There are surely better friends in the neighbourhood?
    A few will smile and nod to get the dosh - but there are no "friends" of the US in Asia.
    Yep. The Filipinos hate the yanks

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    ^Just a stab in the dark, but take away the financial support and you'd see a lot of hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    ^Just a stab in the dark, but take away the financial support and you'd see a lot of hatred.
    Probably true in places that were formerly US bases. I traveled the Philippines and in those places where there have been bases there was a bit of resentment and jealousy
    ( as you would find in Pattaya and Phuket ) but everywhere else I traveled the Americans were not hated at all. Just the opposite ..... if you were a yank you were well in. As for the England ...most thought it was a small state in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Probably true in places that were formerly US bases. I traveled the Philippines and in those places where there have been bases there was a bit of resentment and jealousy ( as you would find in Pattaya and Phuket ) but everywhere else I traveled the Americans were not hated at all. Just the opposite ..... if you were a yank you were well in. As for the England ...most thought it was a small state in the US.
    As the mist clears, and everyone sees it for what it was/is, there's no love lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    ^they threatened to pull all their blackmail and bribery money they flood into Thailand for policy change favourable to US business, of course.


    Anyway why does Thailand NEED the USA, and not vice versa?
    It's called a trade surplus. Who do you propose would provide a replacement market?
    FYI, The U.S. goods trade deficit with Thailand was $14.3 billion in 2013,The U.S. goods deficit with Thailand accounted for 2.1% of the overall U.S. goods deficit in 2013.

    How do you propose that Thailand replace U.S. foreign direct investment of US$17billion?

    OK, so tell me now why the USA needs an unreliable country like Thailand sucking on its teat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    ^Just a stab in the dark, but take away the financial support and you'd see a lot of hatred.
    Goes much deeper than that. The Philippines basically came back begging for a renewed US military presence. I suppose the Chinese can take the credit for that. Had the Chinese navy not humiliated the Philippines, it might be different.

    The recently imposed a blockade on a Filipino maritime detachment in the Ayungin (Second Thomas) Shoal in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), the Philippines, in recent months, expedited the negotiation of a new security pact with the US, called the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (Edca).

    The Philippines has continued to rely on American military support to deal with both security, as well as humanitarian, challenges. No wonder that latest surveys suggest that the absolute majority of the Filipinos continue to regard the US with high levels of trust and respect.

    Source: Business Mirror (Philippines) May 4, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Indeed which is why the US needs Thailand more than Thailand needs the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    The USA has no friends. It has clients.
    This part of the world depends on US for security and stability. Great allies here understand the issue. Sadly you do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
    This part of the world depends on US for security and stability
    Two million dead in Vietnam. Genocide in Cambodia. More bombs dropped on Laos than any other country in the world and many of them still buried in the ground unexploded. War in Burma. An insurgency and coup in Thailand.

    You're not doing a very good job of it, so perhaps you should stay at home and solve your own problems.

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