Thread: Thailand Coup 2014 : Number of detainees hits 150

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Haven't the army always returned the country to the people?


It's pretty clear that the army didn't wish to get pulled into this conflict from the start. They stood back for over 6 months whilst citizens were being abused and killed by parties on both sides.

If one asks the farming communities, who have been waiting for long overdue payments, they most probably would reply that the army are the saviors/protectors of society, not the oppressors that certain parties would have one believe.

The enemy of the people are generally politicians.

In Thailand case all of the above is a resounding yes and true on all counts.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Haven't the army always returned the country to the people?

After it's a fokin mess and all divisions are greater

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Haven't the army always returned the country to the people?

Yup - always.

That's why they are the Thai backbone.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

If one asks the farming communities, who have been waiting for long overdue payments, they most probably would reply that the army are the saviours/protectors of society, not the oppressors that certain parties would have one

You know your yellow suthep lot blocked the payments from early on. Let's have a timeline here

In reality, "farming communities" are not stupid, they know what is going on. Just like your mindset to think they are "stupid", is that how you feel superior? Psych 101

^^ Only temporarily for the masquerade

Originally Posted by terry57

History may be the teacher but Thailand and its people don't quite think like the rest of the world. Civil war just ain't their go regardless of what happens. This will sort its self out, give it time.

What I have believed for 30 plus years and just now its changing. Only in the last week.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Haven't the army always returned the country to the people? It's the controlling politicians that are the problem and some might say that regretfully the people will get to vote for them yet again and no doubt suffer more authoritarian abuse. It's pretty clear that the army didn't wish to get pulled into this conflict from the start. They stood back for over 6 months whilst citizens were being abused and killed by parties on both sides. If one asks the farming communities, who have been waiting for long overdue payments, they most probably would reply that the army are the saviours/protectors of society, not the oppressors that certain parties would have one believe. The enemy of the people are generally politicians. Even in the UK there has been recent mention of a widening gap of trust between government and the people.

Much deeper, a death is imminent it seems, and its now or never, better to act fast and keep your position in life. Thailands military is a joke they have more generals, admirals, and ACM's than all the other countries in the world put together. Well not really but they are way top heavy. These guys make a nice wage, but they get so much more from the system as it exists. They cant afford change in a popular way. No politics involved this time its all about money power and prestige.

Too well orchestrated even with the initial martial law cover up. This plan has been in in place for a long time.

Its very very complicated and woven into the royal family so this very well my be deleted quickly.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I fuking say it to you , you are just wrong, everyone on this fracking planet has denounced your coup and it's not going to end anytime soon.

Well Thai history proves that Coups are a normal part of the Political landscape in Thailand and have been from the get go so I'm certainly not wrong on that count.

We are only talking Thai politics here and not relating this situation to other countries. Things work different here, outsiders can never understand hence all the hysterics by outside observers.

As far as not ending any time soon that's a no brainer but it will end eventually just like all the other times before and things will return to normal.

Absolutely no need to get excited about it.

Besides that lot, it ain't my Coup, I could not give a flying fuk, I'm unaffected by it, seen it all before a few times now.

No big deal in the grand gong show that Thailand is.

^

No use losing your rag mate as this is the news section and your post will be deleted.

Anyway, just because you don't agree its no use getting into personal abuse unless its in the Dog house and then its great foking fun.

Originally Posted by terry57

Well Thai history proves that Coups are a normal part of the Political landscape in Thailand and have been from the get go so I'm certainly not wrong on that count.

Have been in the past, but this is now. Walk 3 sois you see people do not accept his.

Originally Posted by terry57

Things work different here, outsiders can never understand

No. Freedom and democracy are same everywhere.

Originally Posted by terry57

it will end eventually just like all the other times before

I hope so without violence, but there are no goalposts anymore, and especially for you in silom or sathorn or suk are not safe. Your condo security, where they come from? If the killing begins who dies first. Just... consider, and good luck

Is this Coup same-old same-old, or does it have a different 'feel'?

AO's post above would seem to indicate the latter. I would agree with him except on the imminent migration idea - perhaps more of a sideways shift, or retirement.

The coup appears to be all about power control over the unwashed, ignorant and oppressed masses, while the elite re-arrange the deck-chairs on the Titanic - again! What an absolute tragedy for a 70 million-odd population to be all treated like children.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Anarchist..?? Huh..??

The army got sidelined by Thaksin and never forgot it. When he contracted megalomania they bided their time and took him out. the 2006 coup was too nice and this is the real deal. They're in charge now. No more Thaksin, no more PT, and certainly no more trash henchmen in red shirts or otherwise.

What replaces them will be no different. This country belongs to 20 families and that's it. The so-called poor and oppressed are a figment of Thaksin's propaganda. They are simply the have nots that exist in every society and eventually they will have a little more.

History can be so tedious but when idiots continue to ignore it the results are always the same.

In any event, the poor are much over-rated and generally don't count. Quite right too, they are usually of no consequence save as a bargaining tool.

No point in having a representative democracy in thailand, because there is no political group honest enough to use the powers given to them in a responsible fashion, and no independent entities to watch over them and prevent them from putting their fingers in the till.

Every attempt at democracy here has failed, thais dont play fair, they want their own way, are easily led astray, are often selfish, prone to deception and corruption and wont sacrifice for the common good.

They are basically ungovernable, unless a big stick is involved, preferably wielded by a man with lots of medals and a quick temper, and the fight here is not for democracy but for who carries the big stick. It has always been so.

The country is better off under a semi benevolent dictatorial overlord who can control the countries ever increasing population of violent meatheads, whilst allowing the rank and file, the majority, of decent folk to work, drink, pray and fornicate to their hearts content.

Originally Posted by Waid

Is this Coup same-old same-old, or does it have a different 'feel'?

AO's post above would seem to indicate the latter. I would agree with him except on the imminent migration idea - perhaps more of a sideways shift, or retirement.

The coup appears to be all about power control over the unwashed, ignorant and oppressed masses, while the elite re-arrange the deck-chairs on the Titanic - again! What an absolute tragedy for a 70 million-odd population to be all treated like children.

The working-class hero mantra is a bit redundant.
Already understood...

Yet, the same old cycles continue.

Originally Posted by taxexile

No point in having a representative democracy in thailand, because there is no political group honest enough to use the powers given to them in a responsible fashion, and no independent entities to watch over them and prevent them from putting their fingers in the till.

Every attempt at democracy here has failed, thais dont play fair, they want their own way, are easily led astray, are often selfish, prone to deception and corruption and wont sacrifice for the common good.

They are basically ungovernable, unless a big stick is involved, preferably wielded by a man with lots of medals and a quick temper, and the fight here is not for democracy but for who carries the big stick. It has always been so.

The country is better off under a semi benevolent dictatorial overlord who can control the countries ever increasing population of violent meatheads, whilst allowing the rank and file, the majority, of decent folk to work, drink, pray and fornicate to their hearts content.

Agree with the "no independent entities bit", all one eyed at present, massive problem

Yet, the same old cycles continue.

Yes, they do - until someone, or some incident creates a flashpoint.

Thinking here of the Arab Spring & other recent times of rapid change. Everyone said it would never occur - yet it did.

The trigger in Tunisia - a fellow setting himself alight over the injustice he had experienced. The world has changed as we move into the information age.

Originally Posted by terry57

3 blocks away from my apartment the locals are tucking into a nice bowl of Noodle soup doing what they always do.

Everything is normal here too. I see sausages and red potatoes... good. Need to get some

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

This concept that Thais are somehow different, mixed with a large does of dehumanizing, as Tax's post above, is not the correct way to view the situation because it considers the symptoms not the cause.

Thai society is conventional, as every society/culture is, and it's the army and another group which frame the conventions and cause these symptoms by their patronage and totally corrupt behaviour; systematic, calculated, focused. So, now seeing the army as the doctor to treat the symptoms of which they are the cause is somewhat confused logic and goes against every social study, historical study and critical study of societies and their development. It's hard to believe that educated and intelligent posters will totally ignore all the academics, politicians and Thais living out of Thailand, and follow suthep and the army's propaganda instead.

Stockholm Syndrome affects many people, Bettyboo. Denial, compliance and self-preservation sadly become the order of the day.

Originally Posted by Waid

Thinking here of the Arab Spring & other recent times of rapid change. Everyone said it would never occur - yet it did.

Its posts like this that one must question and look upon as uninformed and simply emotional tripe.

Thailand ain't no " Arab spring " or anywhere near it, never has been, the people are not oppressed as in the Arab countries.

Thailand means " Free Land " the people are generally free to do the fuk whatever they want.

This event is only politics 101 Thai style not some Arab fukin uprising.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Look forward to meeting you soon

Are you angry because I'm right?

I need you to say you do not want to bomb US and have no affiliation with anyone who wants to do that, ok

Then you can buy me a pint or I buy you a pint, I'd prefer in Phuket

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Waid

Thinking here of the Arab Spring & other recent times of rapid change. Everyone said it would never occur - yet it did.

Its posts like this that one must question and look upon as uninformed and simply emotional tripe.

Thailand ain't no " Arab spring " or anywhere near it, never has been, the people are not oppressed as in the Arab countries.

Thailand means " Free Land " the people are generally free to do the fuk whatever they want.

This event is only politics 101 Thai style not some Arab fukin uprising.

You under-estimate the resolve of rural Thai people - especially those living in Isaan - the part that was historically part of Laos. Their support flows deeply into the surrounding countries. The Red strongholds.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I need you to say you do not want to bomb US and have no affiliation with anyone who wants to do that, ok

I DO NOT WANT TO BOMB THE US AND HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DO THAT

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Then you can buy me a pint or I buy you a pint, I'd prefer in Phuket

Yeah right mate

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Everything is normal here too. I see sausages and red potatoes... good. Need to get some

Whatever,

But you cant tell us that when you look around all the locals are arse deep in Politics discussing how the Coup has fuked their life.

Simply not true, their getting on with their normal shit right.

You are dealing with a population who have come to accept Coups as a standard part of political life.

Its normal stuff for Thailand.

Many do not like it but carry on regardless, fuk all the vast majority of punters can do.

Its sorts it's self out.