Erm, how can floods be politically motivated?Originally Posted by FloridaCumguzzler
Sounds like something Davide Icke would say
The Reds have joined the "Peace Train"
Right on dudes!
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This story needs a new chapter. So I'll wait until that happens.. It ain't over - it may be just beginning.
I'll wait to see it. Some will say the Reds have been defeated, maybe. But I think the people who have so much to lose if Suthep's angels get their way will not go to bed quietly. For me, I'll just wait to see. So go on Prayuth, too funny, let's see..
My mind is not for rent to any God or Government, There's no hope for your discontent - the changes are permanent!
This thread is all very engaging. Some quite informative and some crap. Bear with me, I'm just catching up. Keep up the continuous chat.
Mate,
What I have really enjoyed about this thread is reading the Opinions of the hard core Political nutters, they think they Know all but know piss all.
Regards saying the Reds have been defeated ? maybe so but since I'm only a farang I'm not going there.
Thailand is always full of surprises.
Well, ya sorta went there...Originally Posted by terry57
Right on Terry ! What I have enjoyed most about this thread is reading the opinions of those that know piss all ( by their own admission ) but think they know something ! Fookin hilarious ! My favourite has to be Alberts indignant post that no Thais had ever tortured other Thais, Fookin funny as fook. Old Alberts blurter was workin overtime when he said that innit !
The French said that in Indochine. Eisenhower and then JFK said the same in Vietnam, multiple European colonial powers said the same in Africa. History indicates that the many will have just gone to ground and have adopted a wait & patience position. Wherever there is significant social and economic injustice and inequity, tomorrow's "revolutionaries" are born and raised. Cynics say that the Europeans and Americans have not learnt from history. I think they have and have focused on dealing with the root causes of popular uprisings. It is a lesson yet to be learnt in SE Asia.
Kindness is spaying and neutering one's companion animals.
You lack comprehension PETER, you read nothing of the kind, I'm against corruption and don't wish to see it shift to an even stronger boss with an entire military behind him.. I'd like to see stability and rule of law with a legitimate government in place, free press and worthwhile constitution, is that so difficult for you and other blinkered members with rose colored glasses on to see?
You say you are against coruption but what you would like to see in Thailand will only lead back to the same old Shiniwatra clan leading back to mass corruption, and then back to mass protesters in the street, are you to dense to see this, what leads you to believe an election now would improve anything in Thailand, I would really like to hear your thoughts on this, and not just the old we need democracy, as at this point democracy will do nothing to improve anything in the short term, yes eventually Thailand will need to go back to democracy, but in the mean time many things need to be sorted out.
As for you denying you coming from personal reasons I quote " and worse has directly impacted my family on a personal and financial level" underscore the word worse. Sounds pretty personal to me, how would you suggest I take this.
How do you suggest getting rid of the Shiniwatra clan without the strength of the army?
Where do you see any denials from me about anything? Stop posting fabricated info and provide links please? It's clear you're going to argue no matter what is said to you, so go and argue with the wall at least you can win that one.. Actually though, all of my families issues have been directly due to the dems and nothing to do with the "Shinawatra clan" I didn't like him either but the turmoil came from the opposite side..
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Where's Dick Whittington when you need him?Originally Posted by RPETER65
I wonder how Thailand would do if a government of national unity, consisting of all major parties, were to be established for a period of 5 years?
I think most share your vision of the destination, but opinions differ on the route. I know that you will pop back with a 'righteous' coups never solve anything blah blah blah, but in many cases neither do elections; there are too many countries in the world that are and will be unrelentling sh*tholes, far worse than Thailand, no matter how many elections they hold.
In Thailand's case the your goal may be unattainable for decades, perhaps a system where neither elected or unlected elites are allowed to fully dominate the country is better than one where one or the other fully dominates it in the meantime. An electoral oligarchy is nothing like a democracy.
In the meantime I suggest you lay off drinking the politically motivated flood water, as it is addling your senses.
Thai military junta orders citizens to ‘cheer up’ SUNDAY WORLD.COM
Sunday 8th June 2014
The military junta that seized power in Thailand last month has no plans to restore civilian rule any time soon.
But it has launched an official campaign to bring back something else it says the divided nation desperately needs - happiness.
The project has involved free concerts, free food, alluring female dancers in suggestive camouflage miniskirts, even the chance to pet horses trucked into downtown Bangkok with makeshift stables and bales of hay.
The fair-like events are supposed to pave the way for reconciliation after a decade of political upheaval and coups.
But critics point out the feel-good project is being carried out alongside an entirely different junta-led campaign - an effort to stifle all opposition to the army's May 22 upheaval, which deposed a government elected by a majority of Thai voters three years ago.
"The very first question you have to ask is, whose happiness are they talking about?" said Pavin Chachavalpongpun, a Thai professor of Southeast Asian studies at Kyoto University who has refused to respond to a junta summons ordering him to return home and report to the army.
"I'm sure this is not happiness for Thais who want a civilian government, whose rights were taken away by the coup," he said. "It's surreal. And it's ridiculous to believe this will create an environment conducive to reconciliation. That can't happen when the military is harassing, hunting and detaining its enemies."
The aim of the project, dubbed "Return Happiness to the People" by the military, is to get people "to relax," he said. "We're trying to create an atmosphere to gain trust and build confidence. That is the plan."
Thai military junta orders citizens to
Can they do that?...Originally Posted by KEVIN2008
?Originally Posted by zygote1
er, what did they say about Vietnam?
There is no choice but to 'give the military a chance', is there. And that really is the crux of the matter isn't it. Choice. I'll leave it at that.
You correctly go on about same old if elections are held. However, what's the difference between giving elections a chance - there was an offer of dialogue and reform after elections - and giving the military a chance? What better chance is there that the military option won't be same old? By the very nature of the military mind, surely there's much greater chance of same old?
If there are no good options, any option doesn't magically become the best option.
And methinks you're purposely ignoring what it is all about anyway. Which is none of the above.
I am not ignoring what this is all about, I just don't believe more of the same corrupt govt., more protesting in the streets, more people dying is going to achieve the results you desire, Thailand has been as it is for too long to be changed overnight. Change will only come after generations of excellent education, and a reshaping of the Thai. culture, you will not see that by simply getting back to the same corrupt govt.
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