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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    Improving , improving, improving, did you say improving, of course conditions are improving, 7/11 and Tesco Lotus popping up all over the place, and a Subway, good news lads, no need to worry, things have got better.

    I see you failed to mention killers, scammers, , horders of illegal weapons being arrested and there weapons confiscated, and most importantly destitute farmers being paid long overdue payments, I could go on but I think you get the point,well maybe not you and many other posters seem to be quite myopic, all hung up on democracy being the fix all.
    Worst thing for Thailand would be a Western style democracy, where the people have a voice of sorts even after election day.

    Best scenario would be a resumption of its former glorious version.

    Likely scenario is not even that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyhole View Post
    Been watching various twitter and Facebook type media since the coup, and the pattern does look to be an assault on any pro-democracy elements out there by Prayuths Junta.

    But how far does he intend to go?

    Cleanse the shins from Thailand
    Cleanse the shins and supporters from Thailand
    Cleanse the Redshirts also from Thailand
    Cleanse the UDD also from Thailand
    Ethnically cleanse the whole of Issaan from Thailand

    To complete his attack on democracy , and deny the "peasants" the vote, I would think Prayuth May favour the last option
    And what about the other fugitive on 'simmer', not the square headed one?

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    Whilst Thailand is popular for tourism, there seems to be a shift in its tourists nowadays, if the shift continues its going to become the new Spain of Asia.

    The shift coming from Russia china india, the greater the numbers coming here in my eyes makes it less attractive, these countries are getting there hotels flights are bucket shop rates.

    The Philippine's if it gets its act together could well be the new place to go again.

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    Come on Leemo Thaksin is and has been the only destroyer of Thailand


    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyhole View Post
    Been watching various twitter and Facebook type media since the coup, and the pattern does look to be an assault on any pro-democracy elements out there by Prayuths Junta.

    But how far does he intend to go?

    Cleanse the shins from Thailand
    Cleanse the shins and supporters from Thailand
    Cleanse the Redshirts also from Thailand
    Cleanse the UDD also from Thailand
    Ethnically cleanse the whole of Issaan from Thailand

    To complete his attack on democracy , and deny the "peasants" the vote, I would think Prayuth May favour the last option
    And what about the other fugitive on 'simmer', not the square headed one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    The military are just doing what they do best, cause more fear for there own propaganda machine.

    Finding arms in streets etc suggests the fight is off, if you wished to continue the struggle would you be throwing them away.

    I know what i would be doing hiding them were they wouldn't be found so easily.
    If the arms stashes are genuine and red, the junta are doing well to find them. And if they are not, so what?

    Seems a lot of trouble and planning and resources to raise a false flag for propaganda that makes little difference when you already own the country. That effort could well be funnelled elsewhere, like to the economy. But as mentioned earlier, those perceiving these finds as a false flag will never be dissuaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Come on Leemo Thaksin is and has been the only destroyer of Thailand


    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyhole View Post
    Been watching various twitter and Facebook type media since the coup, and the pattern does look to be an assault on any pro-democracy elements out there by Prayuths Junta.

    But how far does he intend to go?

    Cleanse the shins from Thailand
    Cleanse the shins and supporters from Thailand
    Cleanse the Redshirts also from Thailand
    Cleanse the UDD also from Thailand
    Ethnically cleanse the whole of Issaan from Thailand

    To complete his attack on democracy , and deny the "peasants" the vote, I would think Prayuth May favour the last option
    And what about the other fugitive on 'simmer', not the square headed one?
    The economy was fine while he was looting it. But as one poster dared to suggest, it's beginning to look like this coup may well be considering to strike at the Gordian Knot, with Thaksin certainly up there in the sights but as a convenient diversion, or to put it mildly, a secondary objective.

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    Leemo

    Thats the point of many Thais now the establishment who own the country will no doubt, find a anti establishment movement growing by the day.

    And no doubt will be fuelled by outside influences, sad days ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
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    Thats the point of many Thais now the establishment who own the country will no doubt, find a anti establishment movement growing by the day.

    And no doubt will be fuelled by outside influences, sad days ahead.
    Indeed, and that's why I believe this coup is different to the last one, and lethal to the fabric of Thai society. But once its objectives are met, or compromised, Thailand stands a chance of reverting to the same old same old, which for now would be a blinding result.

    The lethal bit comes in if those plans are thwarted, or possibly worse, forced to be aborted due to consequences that not even our glorious leaders could ignore, or relish.

    Who knows, the country may end up losing the very thing that those nice men with guns ruined the country pretending to protect.

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    Dramatic scenes in Khlong Toei this morning as military special forces stormed the SET building to capture red shirt leader Pi Tee Koh Si.


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    there window cleaners

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    window cleaners there?

    oh yeah, they're window cleaners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    You seem to suggest an eternal attack on democracy, history shows this not to be true, when has the military in Thailand held power for more than a few months, I see they are predicting elections to be held in about a year.
    Every time they relinquish power, they don't relinquish all of it. They retain residual power. The current coup is the result of their stacking of the "independent bodies. And the coup is eternal because the threat is always there in reserve so elected governments cannot afford to step on the toes of the army. If the Yingluck government had really been in power they would have ordered the army to support the police in stopping the manifestly illegal and violent activities of the PDRC such as preventing delivery of ballot boxes, preventing voters from exercising their rights and invading Government offices. It's quite clear that they could not do this. If they had, we would have had the coup a lot earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Democracy and liberty are not the same thing. Democracy is little more than mob rule, while liberty refers to the sovereignty of the individual
    You're surely not suggesting that there is sovereignty of the individual in Thailand. The individual is not allowed to say what he thinks or even to express it with three fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Democracy and liberty are not the same thing. Democracy is little more than mob rule, while liberty refers to the sovereignty of the individual
    You're surely not suggesting that there is sovereignty of the individual in Thailand. The individual is not allowed to say what he thinks or even to express it with three fingers.


    You seem to forget the situation in Thailand is temporary, an unfortunate result of a corrupt govt.

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    "On Phuket the Army moved in when the MIB were too scared (or too involved) to act.
    The first arrested was the Karon Mayor who is head of the Tuk tuk, taxi , Minivan syndicate who allowed his mafia free reign over the streets including blockading resorts and hotels. They arrested 90+ without bail and 18 more gave themselves up.
    The next day they imported 200 cops from Ranong and ripped down all their illegal salas (with water and electricity supplied by the Mayor.)

    Yesterday was Kathu and Chalong's turn.

    Next will be the Airport and Patong - the big ones.

    Go fkn Army - more results in two weeks than I've seen in 6 years living on the Island.

    An interesting point is so far, AFAIK, the Army+Police are just executing arrest warrants previously issued by the civil courts.
    In other words, making the MIB do their job.

    Just wait until they get pro-active and start arresting and trying in military courts."

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    https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ere-off-2.html (Not waiting we're off.)

    First time in the 10 years I've been here that anybody has done anything about
    the Phuket mafia scammers (that everybody despises)

    Good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Democracy and liberty are not the same thing. Democracy is little more than mob rule, while liberty refers to the sovereignty of the individual
    You're surely not suggesting that there is sovereignty of the individual in Thailand. The individual is not allowed to say what he thinks or even to express it with three fingers.


    You seem to forget the situation in Thailand is temporary, an unfortunate result of a corrupt govt.
    Sure, so that means when it becomes business as usual the individual will be allowed to say as he pleases, whether verbally, written, or gestured.

    And you've been in LoS how long...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    "On Phuket the Army moved in when the MIB were too scared (or too involved) to act.
    The first arrested was the Karon Mayor who is head of the Tuk tuk, taxi , Minivan syndicate who allowed his mafia free reign over the streets including blockading resorts and hotels. They arrested 90+ without bail and 18 more gave themselves up.
    The next day they imported 200 cops from Ranong and ripped down all their illegal salas (with water and electricity supplied by the Mayor.)

    Yesterday was Kathu and Chalong's turn.

    Next will be the Airport and Patong - the big ones.

    Go fkn Army - more results in two weeks than I've seen in 6 years living on the Island.

    An interesting point is so far, AFAIK, the Army+Police are just executing arrest warrants previously issued by the civil courts.
    In other words, making the MIB do their job.

    Just wait until they get pro-active and start arresting and trying in military courts."

    EvilBAz - TD

    https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ere-off-2.html (Not waiting we're off.)

    First time in the 10 years I've been here that anybody has done anything about
    the Phuket mafia scammers (that everybody despises)

    Good work.
    Go, Prayuth, go...it'll all be restored later with whichever civilian government gets your nod, but for now at least you have the crooks in retreat.

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    Obviously people like Thaksin or Abhisit have no power - or no want - to deal with this type of thing. Surely if the Army is the only respected and listened to force in the country - might be a good idea for them to stay in power. If democracy brings corruption and weakness and military government improves all aspects - personally I'd leave the military in power for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
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    "On Phuket the Army moved in when the MIB were too scared (or too involved) to act.
    The first arrested was the Karon Mayor who is head of the Tuk tuk, taxi , Minivan syndicate who allowed his mafia free reign over the streets including blockading resorts and hotels. They arrested 90+ without bail and 18 more gave themselves up.
    The next day they imported 200 cops from Ranong and ripped down all their illegal salas (with water and electricity supplied by the Mayor.)

    Yesterday was Kathu and Chalong's turn.

    Next will be the Airport and Patong - the big ones.

    Go fkn Army - more results in two weeks than I've seen in 6 years living on the Island.

    An interesting point is so far, AFAIK, the Army+Police are just executing arrest warrants previously issued by the civil courts.
    In other words, making the MIB do their job.

    Just wait until they get pro-active and start arresting and trying in military courts."

    EvilBAz - TD

    https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ere-off-2.html (Not waiting we're off.)

    First time in the 10 years I've been here that anybody has done anything about
    the Phuket mafia scammers (that everybody despises)

    Good work.
    Go, Prayuth, go...it'll all be restored later with whichever civilian government gets your nod, but for now at least you have the crooks in retreat.
    Or the bigger boss is taking over . Really one never knows does he??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Obviously people like Thaksin or Abhisit have no power - or no want - to deal with this type of thing. Surely if the Army is the only respected and listened to force in the country - might be a good idea for them to stay in power. If democracy brings corruption and weakness and military government improves all aspects - personally I'd leave the military in power for good.
    Not such a bad idea. After all, countries do not need politicians etc. They need a group of people to run the show. As soon as you have politicians, you get political parties, and from there, ruin. In countries where the vast majority are uneducated, or educated by system designed to keep them in the dark, politicians simply use the system they create to get richer, and keep the poor, poorer.

    Communism? Not sure about that, but certainly I would go for confiscating the HiSo (new and olds) wealth. After all, it was stolen, and is being stolen from the country in the first place. Time to give it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Communism? Not sure about that, but certainly I would go for confiscating the HiSo (new and olds) wealth. After all, it was stolen, and is being stolen from the country in the first place. Time to give it back.
    Yes, countries like Russia are well known for giving back the wealth of the hiso's.. FFS... Just as so many other previous dictatorships and junta's like Myanmar are also so well known for their benevolence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    Yes, countries like Russia are well known for giving back the wealth of the hiso's.. FFS... Just as so many other previous dictatorships and junta's like Myanmar are also so well known for their benevolence...
    You don't read so well, do you.

    However, what is the difference between Communism and your idea of Democracy?

    In each, the poor get poor, and those in charge get richer. They justify it with different mantras. In the west, the Trickle Down effect "We need to be super Rich so that some of it trickles down to the poor" which is no different to "Some are more equal than others".

    In Each, those in charge manipulate the system to benefit them, their friends, and their families. Nepotism rules, with the premiership being handed out to a close knit circle of friends and families, keeping the concentration of power. Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Clinton to Obama to Bush to Clinton daughter to Bush to Clinton or obama.......All there because they are trusted servants of the owners / those really in charge.

    In Each, the military are used to cement power, home and abroad, and do unspeakable acts in the name of the country, but in reality, the acts are only to cement power of the few.

    In Each, the personal property of the poorest is appropriated by the real owners. In China/Russia, houses and land owned by the state. In the West, manipulation of the markets removing property with foreclosures, no access to credit, inflating prices by mass acreage land lords using their buddies in the banks to amass thousands of houses, ensuring the poor can not afford housing.

    ....and the lost goes on.

    You see, Floridaborn, you simply fail to understand that the system you hold so dear, that you believe is the pinnacle of freedom and democracy is in actuality no different from communism. Just like communism, where most of the people believed it was for the better good, the right way, the best way for them, so the propaganda works the same way in the west. Just like communism in Russia though, people are in the west are slowly realising this though. You most likely won't as you waive your little flag, cheering on one of your obama or bush or which ever puppet you happen to support because the media you like tells you to support them, and it is endemic in everything you learnt at school to embrace division, not least at your pep rallies. However, some people see through it all and that number is growing.

    As for Thailand, the people saw it, and then out comes puppet of the Yellows Suthep - the convenient peoples leader, making sure that the uprising of the people leads back to the Reds v Blues, just like it is all over the western world.

    Countries do not need politicians. They do not need civil servants. They do not need elections. They do not need any of this. They need a body of people EMPLOYED to make the country function. This could almost be set up like a company who's prime function is to break even. As soon as you have politicians, you have war. You have corruption. You only need politicians when you need to get the country to do something that is in your personal interest and against the countries interest.

    I would hazard a guess that more people have died the hands of free "democratic" countries leaders than at the hands of any dictator and before you start claiming other wise, remember to include WW1 with its 40 million deaths in your list....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    In Each, the personal property of the poorest is appropriated by the real owners. In China/Russia, houses and land owned by the state. In the West, manipulation of the markets removing property with foreclosures, no access to credit, inflating prices by mass acreage land lords using their buddies in the banks to amass thousands of houses, ensuring the poor can not afford housing.
    I understand so much than you ever will it's almost embarrassing for you. I'm here, not there and making great headway taking full advantage of those so called shortcomings you mention.. Houses are more affordable then they have been in decades, I got great credit almost instantly when I arrived admittedly I had good credit when I left only it was stale from not using it, but since has gone OTT.

    It's more about timing and prediction that is much of what moves people forward in life.. The constant upheaval, almost like clock work there, made it near impossible to gain any footing, and to get credit as a second class citizen there was near on impossible, nothing like here. My missus has had a Bangkok Bank visa card with perfect credit for over 10 years and has never gotten a single credit increase, she should be up to a 750,000b limit by now given her income and stability of job, here she'll be at the limit inside of 2 years..

    FYI the system is more like socialism and that's mostly because of the liberals who've made it a massive PITA and huge financial burden to even start up a business without thousands of dollars paid to entitlement and other regulations making owning a business here a very difficult endevour. Even Googles Motorola which started up building their smart phones last year in a new Texas assembly plant couldn't sustain their competitiveness and is already moving everything over to China instead.. It isn't pro-business that's squelching that entrepreneurship, it's the opposing party that's doing that. Personally I mostly despise both parties since my first election, I do agree they all have been more like mirrors to each other reflecting the same mantra and demonstrating so little difference to tell them apart once in office..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Countries do not need politicians. They do not need civil servants. They do not need elections. They do not need any of this. They need a body of people EMPLOYED to make the country function. This could almost be set up like a company who's prime function is to break even. As soon as you have politicians, you have war. You have corruption. You only need politicians when you need to get the country to do something that is in your personal interest and against the countries interest.
    Spot on mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    I understand so much than you ever will it's almost embarrassing for you.
    Course you do pal. You keep believing that, and waiving your little flag.

    By the way....I bought my latest house for cash, in the process of building another one, which when I make the money, has more done to it - you're preferred system has people with a mortgage, going to a bank, who created money thus devaluing the money in circulation. They then pay all of that money back with Real cash they earn, plus no doubt about 100% on top in interest. Well done you. Good one. You worship a system that lets a bank create money, pretend to lend it to you, you then pay it back with real money, and they leave you thinking it is a good idea. You're a genius, EH?

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